How EV sales are losing momentum with US buyers

Anyone who thinks of his own life in terms of his "generation" and compares it to other generations - is a loser.

We live our own lives and get our own results regardless of what others are doing. In every generation there are individual winners and losers - however you choose to define winning and losing - and if you're not in the group you want to be in, it's your own fault and no one else's.

The "my generation got screwed" mindset is an excuse that develops into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And the CURRENT disparities between black and white Americans isn’t the result of past generations behavior either…

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Sorry boomer, but on a macro level, a generation (or an entire race of Americans) CAN be disproportionately disadvantaged by a previous generation (or generations).

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Blacks haven't got a single valid complaint or grievance - but they have been trained to complain and grieve so they do. And between halfwits and people who use them, there's always someone willing to play along.
Nice touch of racism/white superiority there kinked. I think I'm going to share that in your peer group circle.
 
Only if they choose to be.

The real truth is that we've lowered expectations and created hand-outs and "diversity" to such a degree that a group with an average IQ of 85 (which was considered the threshold of mental retardation as recently as the 1990s) can now "achieve."

Blacks haven't got a single valid complaint or grievance - but they have been trained to complain and grieve so they do. And between halfwits and people who use them, there's always someone willing to play along.
It's now officially 83 point something according to the government. What should concern everyone is that a little over 16% of the population are at or below that level.
 
They are already pivoting I've read that by 2035 the big 5: Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, VW will be manufacturing EVs only.. The big 5 account for probably 95%+ cars manufactured..
Yes, the manufacturers are pivoting. The privately owned dealerships will be in trouble.
 
The EV technology marketed today isn't cost-effective for widespread use.
American EV technology is at this point in time very poor. Barra recognized this when she cancelled the Blazer. Chinese and Tesla EV technology is far superior, mainly because they have better, safer, batteries, aimed squarely at the urban rather than long distance market. CATL and BYD provide 37% and 17% of the worlds EV batteries (55%) GM's battery contract with LG has just been cancelled and Ford's talks with BYD have run into political headwinds. GM have similar problems but given the US auto industry's extraordinary success lobbying for taxpayers money I would not write them off. Given decent batteries the US EV industry could take off very rapidly.

Their remaining major problem will be UAW labour costs, which are far too high relative to competition.
 
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Yes, the manufacturers are pivoting. The privately owned dealerships will be in trouble.
In the short term probably they'll have to sell off ICE inventory to have room and capital for EVs. I don't see any reason the manufactures wouldn't supply the, EVs the big 5 don't who sells their product just as long as it sells.. Come to think about it selling off ICE vehicles won't be a problem.. We are only having this discussion because gas and ICE vehicles are more cost effective than EVs. Once EV's become more cost effective than ICE the ICE will go the way of the Dodo..
 

Hertz, Tesla and the Perils of CEO Groupthink​

The rental company was far from alone in making a losing bid on electric cars.​


The market has changed. Electric-vehicle euphoria has crashed into reality, and Hertz’s bet has gone south. On Jan. 11 the rental-car giant announced it would sell roughly a third of its global EV fleet and use the proceeds to buy gasoline-powered cars. The cited reasons: weak demand for EVs and high repair costs.

Readers might have heard that lower maintenance costs are a major electric-vehicle advantage. As Hertz discovered, the opposite it true. Even minor accidents can require batteries to be replaced, which can cost $20,000. Many EV parts aren’t readily available, so cars have to sit in the shop for weeks.

The bigger problem is that Americans don’t want to plan trips around the locations of electric-vehicle charging stations—often to discover later that the chargers are broken. Nor do they want to download multiple apps to charge at different stations, or worry about their battery range degrading in cold temperatures.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hertz-...hink-electric-vehicles-auto-industry-dd50c158
 
You’re being very vague. Allow me to be more clear about the question.

Please tell me how ‘the market’ has increased clean air standards without government regulation?

Please tell me what motivation has spurred manufacturers to reduce emissions without government regulation?
initially, they agreed there was a problem and accepted regulatory constraints, but like today when the government uses environmental fairy tales to increase government control over all aspects of human life, free people in and out of business vigorously oppose them politically and economically.
 

Ford to Cut Production of Electric F-150 Pickups Amid Weaker Demand​

Automaker now expects slower EV sales growth than anticipated in 2024​


Ford will slash production of its electric pickup, the F-150 Lightning, after seeing weaker-than-anticipated demand.

The automaker said Friday that it was looking to balance production, sales growth and profitability for its electric pickup trucks. Ford said it expects slower EV sales growth than anticipated in 2024.

Ford said about 1,400 employees would be affected as Rouge Electric Vehicle Center moves to one shift effective April 1. Some workers will be transferred to production of gas-powered vehicles.


https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/...ric-f-150-pickups-amid-weaker-demand-df2f2763
 

Ford to Cut Production of Electric F-150 Pickups Amid Weaker Demand​

Automaker now expects slower EV sales growth than anticipated in 2024​

It's funny how in the USA, ICE vehicle sales are on the rise, as the price of gas is falling. Where in Europe EV sales rose by 37%. Why? The price of fuel. Unfortunately the price of gas will rise, and then ICE sales will drop.

This is economics 101, I thought you understood economics?
 
It's funny how in the USA, ICE vehicle sales are on the rise, as the price of gas is falling. Where in Europe EV sales rose by 37%. Why? The price of fuel. Unfortunately the price of gas will rise, and then ICE sales will drop.

This is economics 101, I thought you understood economics?
Of course. Gas prices are part of TCO and TCO is one of several reasons Americans still prefer ICE vehicles. I’ve shared several news articles in this thread that explain the various reasons why EV sales growth is slowing in the US.
 
Of course. Gas prices are part of TCO and TCO is one of several reasons Americans still prefer ICE vehicles. I’ve shared several news articles in this thread that explain the various reasons why EV sales growth is slowing in the US.
The last I read the TCO break even point with EV's is ten years of ownership............assuming you don't have to replace the battery pack.
 
The last I read the TCO break even point with EV's is ten years of ownership............assuming you don't have to replace the battery pack.
There’s lots to like about EVs. Acceleration is a biggie for me. If TCO, range, refueling/recharging time, and accessibility to gas stations/recharging stations were equal, I’d have no hesitation about getting one when I need a new vehicle (motorcycles excluded. EV technology can never replace the rumble and soul of a V-twin engine).

My wife, my dog, and I travel cross country a lot. We’re often off the interstates and traveling in sparsely populated areas. Hybrid is a possibility next time we buy but right now EV is off the table.
 
There’s lots to like about EVs. Acceleration is a biggie for me. If TCO, range, refueling/recharging time, and accessibility to gas stations/recharging stations were equal, I’d have no hesitation about getting one when I need a new vehicle (motorcycles excluded. EV technology can never replace the rumble and soul of a V-twin engine).

My wife, my dog, and I travel cross country a lot. We’re often off the interstates and traveling in sparsely populated areas. Hybrid is a possibility next time we buy but right now EV is off the table.
Where they make sense they're a good choice. My son bought his wife a Tesla 3 and they both love it.............BUT...........it's used as a local commuter and he installed a charger at his home. After he finished extolling its virtues I asked him, "Well, are you going to drive it over here your next trip?" The distance is a little over 400 miles. His reply, "No way."

Here's another issue that the proponents don't want to address. Taxes on fuel pay for the infrastructure build out and maintenance.............or it's supposed to. EV's don't pay those taxes so the politicians HAVE to find a way to replace those revenues. Trial legislation in Oregon, Washington, and California would mandate that EV's have GPS locators installed so that they can tax based on mileage driven. Sounds reasonable until you think it through. They will be tracking every move you make. It's easy to envision some politician coming up with a surcharge for "excessive mileage driven." After all if they can get behind a progressive income tax they can certainly sell a progressive mileage tax.

The above being the case another question comes to mind, "Why are they mandating the market to purchase vehicles that the infrastructure is incapable of supporting?" And by any measure, at this point in time, the infrastructure will NOT be there to support their mandates in the time frames mandated.
 
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