Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[Wat_Tyler]

Obviously he/she/it's native language is other than English and is having difficulty reading the Constitution.

Equal protection for all . . . .


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[icanhelp1]

None of the above can turn into a lethal situation dumbass.

So where is it written into your constitution that children have the "right to face death by firearms in school"?

No, what’s written in the constitution is if you break our laws (that if you threaten to harm a child or if you actually harm a child) you are innocent till proven guilty by a jury of your peers in a court of law and punished accordingly.

 

[Chobham]

No, what’s written in the constitution is if you break our laws (that if you threaten to harm a child or if you actually harm a child) you are innocent till proven guilty by a jury of your peers in a court of law and punished accordingly.

The rule that they're chirping about is in and of itself unconstitutional and leads to entrapment.

 

[icanhelp1]

The rule that they're chirping about is in and of itself unconstitutional and leads to entrapment.

The favorite go to tactics used against conservatives (especially Trump supporters) by federal law enforcement is entrapment and process crimes bastardizing equal application/protection under the law. J/6 is a perfect example. Peter Navarro, Roger Stone are a few examples of gestapo tactics. When’s the last time contempt of congress has actually been prosecuted?

 

[coati]

Obviously he/she/it's native language is other than English and is having difficulty reading the Constitution.

Nobody has any problem at all with reading the Constitution. It's a tiny document that you can easily fit in your front shirt pocket.

The problem has to do with "sovereign citizens" like Harpy who base their arguments on bullshit that is NOT in the Constitution. Harpy's thesis is based on unratified bullshit that allegedly "predates" the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

And then other insurrectionists like you, Wat_Tyler, and IcantHelp jump on that bullshit theory. Mixing guns with bullshit legal theories undermines the Constitution and promotes violence in society.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Case in point is that our Rights pre-exist the Constitution. You don't seem to understand that concept and instead seem to believe that our Rights are granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. That's not how things work. Our Rights transcend the Constitution and Bill of Rights because they existed prior to the creation of those documents and those documents do not take those Rights from us.

American rights [for guns] pre-exist the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

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the same documents y'all yahoos keep masturbating over as the irrefutable Alpha and Omega of government on Earth? Well, I'll be dayummed.

how long ago in the Way-Back Machine are we goin' for these rights, brah? The Cambrian Period?

 

[coati]

American rights [for guns] pre-exist the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

the same documents y'all yahoos keep masturbating over as the irrefutable Alpha and Omega of government on Earth? Well, I'll be dayummed.

I have never seen an attorney make any progress at the Supreme Court based on a My-Pillow legal theory, nor have I seen carbon-based water confirmed in peer-reviewed scientific publications. And yet, Harpy's bullshit gets a thumbs-up from Lit's "sovereign citizens" like Chobham, Wat_Tyler, and IcantHelp, as if this bullshit ambulance chaser is a legal scholar.

Before the internet, assholes like this could only meet in bumfuck locations. Now because of lax oversight of wacky sleeper cells on social media sites, they can covertly and sometimes overtly promote insurrection, civil war, and violent revenge for perceived slights on a much broader platform.

 

[LLCox]

Equal protection for all . . . .


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The only thing that bothers me is the tie. WTF. No wonder he has his finger on the trigger.

 

[HisArpy]

Please explain.

Please don't.

 

[HisArpy]

You just confirmed that you are the dumbest attorney I've ever encountered. That ^^^sovereign citizen theory of yours is as whack-a-doodle as your contention that water is carbon based.

Not wanting to out you, but you're not actually Mike Lindell, are you?

Actually, all you've done is prove that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

We have US Supreme Court decisions which affirm that our enumerated Rights pre exist the Constitution and Bill of Rights. How can this be? Because the Constitution creates the government of the United States by ceding SOME of our Rights to it in order for it to exist.

In order to do that, those Rights have to exist PRIOR TO the formation of the government.

Then there's the fact that to ensure that the Government was limited in its powers and authority some Rights were expressly withheld. FACT: One cannot withhold Rights unless those Rights already exist. Nor can one cede Rights one doesn't have.

Congress (ie the government) "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Taken apart one can see that the right to worship as one chooses exists prior to the enumeration of that Right. As does the Right to speak. Those things aren't granted by the Bill of Rights, they're limits on the power of the Government to legislate in those areas. IOW, those Rights PRE EXIST the formation of the Government.

This isn't "sovereign citizen" theory. The fact that you even brought that up only illustrates that you have no idea what you're talking about and instead toss buzzwords around like you think doing so makes you enlightened and intelligent.

You're not.

You're a fool who doesn't have a clue about any of this stuff. And those fuckwits who laugh and support your efforts to prove how much of an IDIOT you are, are even bigger fools.

 

[phrodeau]

Please explain.

Firearm sales are prohibited for people under criminal indictment. 18 USC 922(d)(1).

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[HisArpy]

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[coati]

Actually, all you've done is prove that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

We have US Supreme Court decisions which affirm that our enumerated Rights pre exist the Constitution and Bill of Rights. How can this be? Because the Constitution creates the government of the United States by ceding SOME of our Rights to it in order for it to exist.

In order to do that, those Rights have to exist PRIOR TO the formation of the government.

Then there's the fact that to ensure that the Government was limited in its powers and authority some Rights were expressly withheld. FACT: One cannot withhold Rights unless those Rights already exist. Nor can one cede Rights one doesn't have.

Congress (ie the government) "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Taken apart one can see that the right to worship as one chooses exists prior to the enumeration of that Right. As does the Right to speak. Those things aren't granted by the Bill of Rights, they're limits on the power of the Government to legislate in those areas. IOW, those Rights PRE EXIST the formation of the Government.

If you put salt on that convoluted bullshit, you could sell it as pretzels, Pillow-boy. Governments all over this world, including ours, frequently do not recognize human rights that allegedly existed "PRIOR TO the formation of the government" but are not precluded in constitutional documents.

You're a hack, who obviously has zero experience with trying a Constitutionally-based issue in the Supreme Court. You'd get laughed out of the Court with that crap.

Stick to your strong suit, like analyzing the molecular structure of water. It's just a matter of time until you are proven right on the carbon theory.

 

[HisArpy]

If you put salt on that convoluted bullshit, you could sell it as pretzels, Pillow-boy. Governments all over this world, including ours, frequently do not recognize human rights that allegedly existed "PRIOR TO the formation of the government" but are not precluded in constitutional documents.

You're a hack, who obviously has zero experience with trying a Constitutionally-based issue in the Supreme Court. You'd get laughed out of the Court with that crap.

Stick to your strong suit, like analyzing the molecular structure of water. It's just a matter of time until you are proven right on the carbon theory.

What you want to believe other government do is irrelevant to what OUR government does.

The US was created to be "The Great Experiment." As such other governments aren't the model for ours, they're the very image of what we AREN'T.

BTW, I have no desire to bring a case to the SCOTUS and have never expressed such a desire here or anywhere else. The fact that you seem to believe that's where I work is very strange. Almost as if you live in a land of unreality where you just make up facts out of the poisoned air you breathe.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Firearm sales are prohibited for people under criminal indictment. 18 USC 922(d)(1).

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Interesting. And here I would have assumed (and we know how that works out most of the time) that a conviction would be required first.


Mrs. Liddy had one Hell of a batch of firearms.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The only thing that bothers me is the tie. WTF. No wonder he has his finger on the trigger.

Interesting. It's the tie clasp that gets me. I think that I tossed mine in grade school.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Where are these bumfuck places that I allegedly meet people? Frankly, Wat always preferred Sordid Places.
While lounging in one once upon a time and waiting for some reprehensibles and reprobates, I had opportunity to read this thing some old farts wrote once. There was this line in it:


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


So, maybe Allah knows a thing or three about there these "rights" things come from.

 

[LLCox]

Interesting. It's the tie clasp that gets me. I think that I tossed mine in grade school.

I vowed never to have a job where I had to wear a tie. I kept that vow. Same with a watch, I had a pocket watch.

 

[HisArpy]

I vowed never to have a job where I had to wear a tie. I kept that vow. Same with a watch, I had a pocket watch.

I have a bunch of those which I carry occasionally. Most of them need a good cleaning and oiling but I've been too lazy to take them apart and dig out the ultrasonic cleaner.



All of the ones on the left work. The one in the middle of that row needs a new impulse jewel, that's what all the red squiggles are about. There's a new jewel under the tape on the crystal.

Some of the ones on the right will run again once cleaned but many of them need repaired.

I have others too.

 

[coati]

Where are these bumfuck places that I allegedly meet people? Frankly, Wat always preferred Sordid Places.
While lounging in one once upon a time and waiting for some reprehensibles and reprobates, I had opportunity to read this thing some old farts wrote once. There was this line in it:


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


So, maybe Allah knows a thing or three about there these "rights" things come from.

Obviously the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence has no legal applicability in Constitutional cases, and did little good for black slaves, native Americans, Japanese nationals, various immigrant groups, and women's rights in the past. No one cites that preamble as a statutory source. The Constitution is the bottom line in the USA.

It's OK, a lot of dummies get the Declaration mixed up with the Constitution. But go ahead and quote it if you think it makes you sound as smart as your resident ambulance chaser, Harpy. I'll just have to replace the needle on my BS meter later today. This gun-stuff thread pegs that meter every time one of you pontificates about legal theories that have no applicability to actual court cases.

 

[HisArpy]

Obviously the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence has no legal applicability in Constitutional cases, and did little good for black slaves, native Americans, Japanese nationals, various immigrant groups, and women's rights in the past. No one cites that preamble as a statutory source. The Constitution is the bottom line in the USA.

It's OK, a lot of dummies get the Declaration mixed up with the Constitution. But go ahead and quote it if you think it makes you sound as smart as your resident ambulance chaser, Harpy. I'll just have to replace the needle on my BS meter later today. This gun-stuff thread pegs that meter every time one of you pontificates about legal theories that have no applicability to actual court cases.

Apparently the words "self evident" require explanation for certain someones among us.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I vowed never to have a job where I had to wear a tie. I kept that vow. Same with a watch, I had a pocket watch.

Right. Long stories on the tie thing, but now it's just something for weddings and funerals. Actually, the last funeral I attended was a very casual affair, so I have decided to tone it down a bit. Still, they're more somber and respectful occasions than a cookout.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Gee, what about the Allah bit??? There are fits galore to be had there.

 

[Chobham]

Apparently the words "self evident" require explanation for certain someones among us.

"It" requires a great deal of explanation on a great many things regarding the Constitution, etc.

Let's start with the notion that "The Bill of Rights" is mislabeled, it would more properly referred to as, "The Bill of Government Prohibitions." The Bill of Rights confers NO RIGHTS on the citizen, it prohibits the government from infringing on rights that are considered to pre-exist. In order for "it" to understand the underlying philosophy there "it" would have to read the writings of John Locke and I fear that's a bridge too far.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I like the notion that the D of I means something. IIRC, Scalia observed that it had no bearing, but then it would have gone against his pro-death-penalty stance. Simple observation notes a Right to Life spelled out quite clearly from the same basic batch of folks who would congregate a decade later to craft the Constitution. Therefore, I'm inclined to conclude that we have the basis of their thinking and therefore we can draw a few conclusions as to their feelings on the origin of rights.


George III certainly had an opinion as to the legality of the D of I, and we're not usually in agreement with him.


By the by, he sent an army. We didn't ask them nice to bugger off from whence they came. We shot them. With our firearms . . . .