Colorado Will Not Be Allowed To Deny Trump Access To Their Presidential Ballot

[ll74]

It's a political trial you dummy.

Which hasn't been thrown out and is still being deliberated.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Seems to be pretty cut and clear in Section 1 that all citizens whether natural born or naturalized (i.e. legal citizen) have the same rights. Now as I always say the Constitution is only in play when you're losing an argument but I look at the words and state if this is true, then this is true.

Article II.... The Executive Branch..
Not a sloppy amendment. After thought. Attempt to make the document LIVE in age in which WE LIVE. NOT open to the Supreme Court legislating.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

 

[ll74]

Two Republicans brought the suit

 

[Bray123]

He was at the time his alleged crime of "insurrection" took place, so using the 14th Amendment as a basis to deny his candidacy is legally incorrect nd will not pass constitutional scrutiny.

Just because they say that on NotVeryBrightBart don't make it true.

 

[Rightguide]

Which hasn't been thrown out and is still being deliberated.

IT'S LAWFARE. It's being brought by lawyers from King and Spalding. Just for your edification, the registered partners of King and Spalding are Sally Yates, Rod Rosenstein, and Gina Haspel. A former registered partner, Christopher Wray, who was earning 15 million a year there. Yes all Deep State actors.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Article II.... The Executive Branch..
Not a sloppy amendment. After thought. Attempt to make the document LIVE in age in which WE LIVE. NOT open to the Supreme Court legislating.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

There is no definition of a natural born citizen and an amendment overrides anything that came before it. That's how amendments work. We could make an amendment where you could be president at 20 or you couldn't run if your over 60 or if you can't rub your belly and pat your head. That's exactly the process works.

 

[ll74]

IT'S LAWFARE. It's being brought by lawyers from King and Spalding. Just for your edification, the registered partners of King and Spalding are Sally Yates, Rod Rosenstein, and Gina Haspel. A former registered partner, Christopher Wray, who was earning 15 million a year there. Yes all Deep State actors.

They have a right to bring a case and the case is being considered

So whether you find it to be valid or not, the case is valid.

Hope this helps

 

[DeluxAuto]

Yes all Deep State actors.

Drink!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

IT'S LAWFARE. It's being brought by lawyers from King and Spalding. Just for your edification, the registered partners of King and Spalding are Sally Yates, Rod Rosenstein, and Gina Haspel. A former registered partner, Christopher Wray, who was earning 15 million a year there. Yes all Deep State actors.

I’m just glad someone is protecting the American people and their rights from a traitor.

 

[SmokingFap]

It's still in court. All I'm saying is the case against Trump in this instance will fail, either in this court or on appeal. There is no legal basis to pursue this avenue of litigation. It serves no other function than its media value against Trump aimed at the ignorant.

As long as it keeps Ol' Babydoll Hands soiled diapers in a bunch, I don't care if the legal ploy works or not.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It's a political trial you dummy.

lol, now that Meadows has testified under oath, that the election wasn't stolen, that Trump knew it wasn't stolen, Trump may very well get removed from the ballet. Yes it's political, what else would the trial be about?

 

[PaxNurgle]

The 14th Amendment is pretty clear: It says what it says and it means what it means.

And the facts are pretty clear: Trump did what he did.

It should not even be an issue for debate. In a functional democracy, as envisioned by the founding fathers, written into the Constitution, and CONFIRMED and ratified by the congress of 1868, Trump should not be on the ballot in ANY state.

If you cannot acknowledge that, and really process what really happened, and understand what the 14th Amendment really means, then you have just flunked civics my friend. If on the other hand Trump IS allowed on the ballot, then the system really truely is broken.

And come on, let's be honest here- if Hillary and her followers had done in 2016 what Trump had done in 2020, well, you people were already chanting to "lock her up" even WITHOUT her and her followers having started an insurrection. So don't tell me you wouldn't agree with this: If you lead an insurrection into the halls of congress seeking to overturn an election result that did not go your way- YOU HAVE COMMITTED AN ACT OF TREASON, and your not being allowed on the ballot should, by all rights, be the LEAST of your problems.

 

[dkovic77]

The educated answer is in post #1. The one you don't understand. Here's another brilliant legal mind weighing in on my point:

LAWCOMMENTARY

Judges Have No Legal Authority to Bar Trump From 2024 Ballots​

Hans von Spakovsky / @HvonSpakovsky / November 02, 2023

Trump Didn’t Hold An Applicable Office​

First of all, Section 3 only applies to individuals who were previously a “member of Congress,” an “officer of the United States,” or a state official. Trump has never been any of those.

He has never held state office or been a U.S. senator or representative, and the U.S. Supreme Court held in 1888 in U.S. v. Mouat that “officers” are only those individuals who are appointed to positions within the federal government.

Individuals who are elected—such as the president and vice president—are not officers within the meaning of Section 3.

The Supreme Court reiterated that view in 2010 in Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, in which Chief Justice John Roberts concluded “the people do not vote for ‘Officers of the United States.’” They are appointed under Article II of the Constitution.

It must also be noted that while Section 3 applies to an “elector for President or Vice President,” it does not specify that it applies to the president or vice president. This supports the argument that the drafters did not mean for Section 3 to apply to the president and vice president, which, again, is not surprising, since they are not “Officers of the United States.”

Much more, here especially on how Section 3 of the 14th Amendment may be extant but legally meaningless in contemporary times.:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/11...is-unconstitutional-and-lawfare-at-its-worst/

Ohhh more opinions from the conservative side that backs your opinion. Thanks for that.

Well regulated militia is in the second amendment and you overlook those words. Now all of a sudden looking at other words in an amendment are important you to?

Seems “or hold any office” is pretty clear. The office of the President of the United States fits.

..”having previously taken an oath…” let’s see… no way we have ANY evidence of the President or Vice President taking the oath… wait according to the Cheeto there were millions of witnesses in 2017 on the mall.

You are so comical in your short sighted eagerness to latch onto anything just because you realize your boy is toast.

But sure you have your freedoms to be daft. You just don’t get to claim to be correct about it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The 14th Amendment is pretty clear: It says what it says and it means what it means.

And the facts are pretty clear: Trump did what he did.

It should not even be an issue for debate. In a functional democracy, as envisioned by the founding fathers, written into the Constitution, and CONFIRMED and ratified by the congress of 1868, Trump should not be on the ballot in ANY state.

If you cannot acknowledge that, and really process what really happened, and understand what the 14th Amendment really means, then you have just flunked civics my friend. If on the other hand Trump IS allowed on the ballot, then the system really truely is broken.

And come on, let's be honest here- if Hillary and her followers had done in 2016 what Trump had done in 2020, well, you people were already chanting to "lock her up" even WITHOUT her and her followers having started an insurrection. So don't tell me you wouldn't agree with this: If you lead an insurrection into the halls of congress seeking to overturn an election result that did not go your way- YOU HAVE COMMITTED AN ACT OF TREASON, and your not being allowed on the ballot should, by all rights, be the LEAST of your problems.

Trump said 'peaceful protest' what was done was done by people acting on their own.

 

[dkovic77]

Trump said 'peaceful protest' what was done was done by people acting on their own.

Ohh that would be well and good if there isn’t testimony and evidence (pesky thing) out there about how he knew the crowd was armed and said he wasn’t worried because it wasn’t for him.

Plus, he can bring out the guard with tear gas when he is hiding in his basement from a protest in Lafayette Park (to then take a photo op with a book he has never opened) but when an actual incident is happening at the Capitol (and forces are overrun) he can’t even bother to act because he is cheering it on from his dining room. Seems the oath he understands is to protect himself. That’s not the oath he took to hold the office and preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Pretty sure they as a rule weren't armed. I mean why did nobody bring guns!!!!!! Honestly if there is anything the insurrection has proven is that people without guns have a much harder time killing you.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Not surprisingly, today the Minnesota Supreme Court dismissed the nonsensical attempt to keep him off the primary ballot.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-election-president-f6b72c94bb351c1b870d4884e54f6a75

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Not surprisingly, today the Minnesota Supreme Court dismissed the nonsensical attempt to keep him off the primary ballot.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-election-president-f6b72c94bb351c1b870d4884e54f6a75

They didn’t dismiss it, they said it would just have to be resolved later.

Of course keeping in mind if Trump is on the ballot he can’t be President.

 

[phrodeau]

Not surprisingly, today the Minnesota Supreme Court dismissed the nonsensical attempt to keep him off the primary ballot.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-election-president-f6b72c94bb351c1b870d4884e54f6a75

The court dodged the central question of the lawsuit — does Trump’s role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol disqualify him from the presidency — by ruling that state law allows parties to put whomever they want on the primary ballot.

The general election is another matter.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Not surprisingly, today the Minnesota Supreme Court dismissed the nonsensical attempt to keep him off the primary ballot.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-election-president-f6b72c94bb351c1b870d4884e54f6a75

“There is no state statute that prohibits a major political party from placing on the presidential nomination primary ballot, or sending delegates to the national convention supporting, a candidate who is ineligible to hold office,” Chief Justice Natalie Hudson ruled.

I agree, the place to bring this to court over is for the Presidential election, not Primaries.

Be interesting to speculate on the hypothetical; If Trump does win the upcoming election, then a court case weaves it way through, and SCOTUS removes him due to the 14th, then his VP pick would become President.

Makes his choice of a running mate kind of important too. I'm guessing it won't be any of the people currently running for the Republican nomination either...

 

[phrodeau]

Makes his choice of a running mate kind of important too. I'm guessing it won't be any of the people currently running for the Republican nomination either...

Trump said today that he would consider Tucker Carlson for VP.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Trump said today that he would consider Tucker Carlson for VP.

Beats Hannity I guess....

 

[Philthy_Phil]

https://preview.redd.it/3k57kec32wyb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1f252fca10aeb89c3eb9e6033fa72a49af762819

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not surprisingly, today the Minnesota Supreme Court dismissed the nonsensical attempt to keep him off the primary ballot.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-election-president-f6b72c94bb351c1b870d4884e54f6a75

Basically you're celebrating that the Constitution means nothing.

 

[dkovic77]

Basically you're celebrating that the Constitution means nothing.

Sure likes 2 a lot, but 14c.. not so much.