Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

[ll74]

Again...does not matter who started it. Israel is supposed to be our ally. That means they should walk the process at a higher level.

Let's put some context on this genocide...and that is what it is.

Although difficult to put a precise number on the number of Hamas militants because believe it or not...no one knows precisely...it is hard to separate those from the West Bank from those in Gaza. But estimates fluctuate around 10,000 in Gaza. This is based on IDF data.

Over the last 2 days...the IDF has reported "targeting over 11,000 Hamas targets." Their words...not mine. Seems to me...a military force targeting Hamas would have eliminated 3/4 of the Hamas militants with that effort.

But that isn't what our ally is doing. They are using words...empty words...to target innocent Palestinians. That is this goal. They are using Hamas as an excuse to punish Gazans that had nothing to do with the Hamas attack. That...and only that...is the problem.

Fair warning...Israeli actions...and our response of silence...will lead to another 9-11. Because you can't kill them all. And you create more each time you kill an innocent family.

Again...this is not about what Hamas did. This is about what Israel is doing

It does matter who started it.

It matters that Hamas attacked Israel indiscriminately and unprovoked.
It matters that Israel has killed civilians
It matters that Israel and Egypt have delayed allowing humanitarian relief and that Israel has shut off electricity and water
It matters that Hamas has hostages from multiple countries
It matters that a ground invasion is likely to last a long time and kill lots of people

You are singularly focused and biased to blame Israel for everything.

 

[icanhelp1]

I find it to be a hypocritical stance crying about war crimes committed by the Israelis who are trying to avoid civilian casualties while Hamas, as we speak, is launching missiles indiscriminately into Israeli cities targeting and killing innocent civilians. The battle tactics used by Hamas leaves no other alternatives for irradicating the terrorist group. I’m sure Dribble would think different if his son was fighting an asymmetrical war where the combatants used civilians as shields. Would he accept that his son be forced to unnecessarily put his life in jeopardy against an enemy that places zero value on life.

The difference between Hamas and Israelis combatants is that Israel is taking every measure possible to avoid civilian casualties. When a combatant commander is taken out it shortens the war just that little bit. Intel is a perishable commodity and depending upon how the battlefield shapes itself and the value of the target sometimes collateral damage is unavoidable. Hamas cries out about civilian casualties, like they give a fuck, and who believes their propaganda.

General George Patton once said;

“No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making some other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”

 

[Sean Renaud]

Israel is taking zero precautions to avoid civilians. They literally give zero shits.

 

[CenSore]

War is hell, tough.

There was a cease fire October 6th

 

[ll74]

Israel is taking zero precautions to avoid civilians. They literally give zero shits.

Incorrect.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Dude one of their officials was caught bragging about it.

 

[ll74]

Dude one of their officials was caught bragging about it.

Dude, Hamas has been indiscriminately firing rockets at Israel for over a decade.

Israel regularly utilizes roof knocking to inform targets prior to bombing.

You are ill informed and biased. Israel is not completely innocent, but they have warned Gaza of the coming incursion for weeks. Hamas has told citizens not to leave.....knowing that they would be likely involved in the fighting.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Dude, Hamas has been indiscriminately firing rockets at Israel for over a decade.

Israel regularly utilizes roof knocking to inform targets prior to bombing.

You are ill informed and biased. Israel is not completely innocent, but they have warned Gaza of the coming incursion for weeks. Hamas has told citizens not to leave.....knowing that they would be likely involved in the fighting.

Israel is genocidal and the funny thing is how people pretend they wouldn't be Hamas under similar circumstances.

 

[ll74]

Israel is genocidal and the funny thing is how people pretend they wouldn't be Hamas under similar circumstances.

If Israel was genocidal, Palestinians would be gone.....they have the capability to do this easily with their army. They haven't and won't because they are not.

 

[Dribble]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/01/politics/biden-israel-strikes-on-civilians/index.html

Facts are facts. Those supporting genocide do not represent the morality of this country. Maybe...we should treat them how Israel has treated Palestinians?

 

[Sean Renaud]

If Israel was genocidal, Palestinians would be gone.....they have the capability to do this easily with their army. They haven't and won't because they are not.

They are and they are making a damn good attempt. The consequences of doing it other ways would have consequences. There is no realistic way to take out Hamas without just killing anything that moves. Those are the facts.

 

[ll74]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/01/politics/biden-israel-strikes-on-civilians/index.html

Facts are facts. Those supporting genocide do not represent the morality of this country. Maybe...we should treat them how Israel has treated Palestinians?

Should Hamas continue to hide in civilian populations? Do they bear any responsibility for their war crimes?

Seriously ......one trick pony.

From your article:

"Hamas is making life extremely difficult for Israel by taking civilians as human shields and by putting their rocket infrastructure and terrorist infrastructure among civilians,” national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Sunday on CNN. “That creates an added burden for Israel, but it does not lessen Israel’s responsibility, under international humanitarian law, to distinguish between terrorists and civilians and to protect the lives of innocent people.”

 

[ll74]

They are and they are making a damn good attempt. The consequences of doing it other ways would have consequences. There is no realistic way to take out Hamas without just killing anything that moves. Those are the facts.

This is the war that was started on October 7.

Hamas can end this by surrendering or they can lessen civilian casualties by ceasing their use of human shields to hide amongst civilians.

 

[Dribble]

A Hamas militant uses a street to go from Point A to Point B. In Israel's eyes...that street is a justifiable target. Who cares that 100,000 civilians may use the same street every day? They target that street...killing hundreds...and miss their target. Or let's say they get their target...but kill hundreds of innocents. Still justified by our OP

People say...they should leave? Where? You all realize the IDF is also bombing Southern Gaza? Do you need links? They go where there is water. And food. And shelter. And so do anyone else. So they are a target. If Israel wanted to give Palestinians out of a war zone...they would open their border and escourt them to a camp that they control.

People say...oh Hamas is using Palestinians as shields. You have 2.4 million people in a very small area. Anywhere anyone goes...there are people. But according to our OP...it is OK to murder them...because of where they were born and because they have no where else to go.
Hamas isn't using civilians as shields in the way Israel is claiming. This is now coming out...and Israel is changing their story to...well they are walking among civilians. Sure they are. They want water too.

The problem...is the mentality it is acceptable to murder innocents as long as you are targeting Hamas. Except...they aren't. How do we know? We don't know the names of Hamas militants. We don't have pictures of the faces of Hamas militants. So who are they attacking? How do they know that road had a militant right there at that moment? They don't. That is the problem and why that is a war crime

 

[ll74]

A Hamas militant uses a street to go from Point A to Point B. In Israel's eyes...that street is a justifiable target. Who cares that 100,000 civilians may use the same street every day? They target that street...killing hundreds...and miss their target. Or let's say they get their target...but kill hundreds of innocents. Still justified by our OP

People say...they should leave? Where? You all realize the IDF is also bombing Southern Gaza? Do you need links? They go where there is water. And food. And shelter. And so do anyone else. So they are a target. If Israel wanted to give Palestinians out of a war zone...they would open their border and escourt them to a camp that they control.

People say...oh Hamas is using Palestinians as shields. You have 2.4 million people in a very small area. Anywhere anyone goes...there are people. But according to our OP...it is OK to murder them...because of where they were born and because they have no where else to go.
Hamas isn't using civilians as shields in the way Israel is claiming. This is now coming out...and Israel is changing their story to...well they are walking among civilians. Sure they are. They want water too.

The problem...is the mentality it is acceptable to murder innocents as long as you are targeting Hamas. Except...they aren't. How do we know? We don't know the names of Hamas militants. We don't have pictures of the faces of Hamas militants. So who are they attacking? How do they know that road had a militant right there at that moment? They don't. That is the problem and why that is a war crime

Fuck off.

Israel is attacking Hamas. Hamas is in Gaza. Your solution is a complete ceasefire? Then why don't you demand Hamas surrender?

 

[Dribble]

Should Hamas continue to hide in civilian populations? Do they bear any responsibility for their war crimes?

Seriously ......one trick pony.

From your article:

Can you read? What does the word "difficult" mean? To you...it means they should bomb indiscriminately. To me it means if you want to remove those infrastructures with minimal civilian casualties...send in foot soldiers. Oh...no...they could die. So instead...we will just bomb killing civilians

 

[Dribble]

Fuck off

Truth hurts huh?

 

[ll74]

Truth hurts huh?

I haven't yet seen you call for Hamas to surrender.

Wonder why.

 

[Sean Renaud]

This is the war that was started on October 7.

Hamas can end this by surrendering or they can lessen civilian casualties by ceasing their use of human shields to hide amongst civilians.

Yes Hamas can end this. So can Israel and the person with the high ground has the obligation to stand down. This is the literal reason you're not supposed to hit women, children and the elderly. They can't actually hurt you and you can absolutely change their lives.

 

[ll74]

Yes Hamas can end this. So can Israel and the person with the high ground has the obligation to stand down. This is the literal reason you're not supposed to hit women, children and the elderly. They can't actually hurt you and you can absolutely change their lives.

Hamas went door to door raping and murdering women, killing children.

Does Israel have a right to seek them out and bring them to justice?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hamas went door to door raping and murdering women, killing children.

Does Israel have a right to seek them out and bring them to justice?

Not like this they don't.

 

[ll74]

Not like this they don't.

Does Israel have a right to seek them out and bring them to justice?

And since you added qualifiers - if yes, how exactly is the proper way to do so?

 

[Dribble]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/01/opinions/israel-flawed-strategy-defeating-hamas-pape/index.html

People see it for what it is

 

[Dribble]

Does Israel have a right to seek them out and bring them to justice?

And since you added qualifiers - if yes, how exactly is the proper way to do so?

Yes they do. They go in by foot. They shoot only those that shoot at them. Simple huh? Idiot

 

[Sean Renaud]

Does Israel have a right to seek them out and bring them to justice?

And since you added qualifiers - if yes, how exactly is the proper way to do so?

Israeli intelligence is legendary. To the point that there are serious questions as to how this slipped past them. You think they don't know at least who the leaders are? They probably don't know the exact locations but that can be figured out. I'm not familiar with their military but I'm sure they have something similar to SEAL Team 6. Go in, get the people in charge, rinse, wash, repeat.

What they are doing now is at the point where they might as well just finish the job. I served and I sincerely believe that right now there is a young man in his early twenties, late teens whose earliest memory is that his brother was killed by a rocket or missile I personally built, loaded and delivered.

I'm reminded of the opening scene of 'Kill Bill' where The Bride tells the daughter that if she's still bitter in twenty years to do what she has to do.