Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

[ll74]

Nothing bigoted about reality. They hate you too

There is no such thing as "they".

 

[ChloeTzang]

There is no such thing as "they".

Are ze sure about that? LOL

 

[One_ping_only]

A situation such as this take planning, lots of planning. For example hamas may be or already set traps, mines and God knows what else.... House to house fighting is fucking brutal beyond imagination.....

Yes of course and why I'm not a General of any kind for any armed forces haaaaa?!?! House to house is brutal enough like when the IDF were battling Hammas at those kibbutzas last weekend however going into Gaza it'll be buildings and rubble which only makes it worse unfortunately.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Just a little musical background while we watch Gaza having the shit bombed out if it

 

[ll74]

Are ze sure about that? LOL

Yep. Everyone is unique regardless whether you think so.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Yep. Everyone is unique regardless whether you think so.

We are all unique, indeed, and yet as groups, there are so many similarities. You, for example, are displaying all the attributes of your culture and background.

Likewise, so am I.

So's Becky. LOL.

 

[ll74]

We are all unique, indeed, and yet as groups, there are so many similarities. You, for example, are displaying all the attributes of your culture and background.

Likewise, so am I.

So's Becky. LOL.

What makes someone the part of a group?

Specifically, a religious group.

Anyone in a group is capable of doing things differently. Perspective and interpretation are key.

Many of the same group live peacefully without an issue in countries they've fled to. It isn't the same they, though it is to you

 

[ChloeTzang]

Many of the same group live peacefully without an issue in countries they've fled to. It isn't the same they, though it is to you

Oh no, I agree with you. They aren't the same they.

But it DOESN'T MATTER. How can we tell, en masse? We're talking hundreds of thousand, it not millions, here. Who are the "good" ones, and who are the "bad" ones by our standards, and when I say "ours", I imply moderately conservative Judeo-Christian cultural and societal standards (which obviously most of our leftists do not share and are actively working to destroy, which is why we see these people here to start with).

Nope, the logical thing to do is say fuck it, and expel them all. They can sort it out at their end. If they like us so much, sure we can colonize them and run their countries for them. Otherwise, fuck it. Home you go. And I don't imply this for all cultural and ethnic groups, or those who have assimilated - because assimilation is the key here, and that's something that has been lost sight of.

The "melting pot" ensure immigrants assimilated over a generation or two. Multi-cultural, and "diversity" by way of contrast is a recipe for ethnic conflict.

So if you cannot assimilate, and parading down the streets or in UCLA screaming "gas the Jews" is about as opposite to assimilation as you get, fuck it. Round them up, and their families, and deport them. It's the least we can do to ensure they are with people they feel they are part of. Because if we don't, we'll end up shooting them in the end. THAT is reality, like it or not.

 

[Chobham]

Oh no, I agree with you. They aren't the same they.

But it DOESN'T MATTER. How can we tell, en masse? We're talking hundreds of thousand, it not millions, here. Who are the "good" ones, and who are the "bad" ones by our standards, and when I say "ours", I imply moderately conservative Judeo-Christian cultural and societal standards (which obviously most of our leftists do not share and are actively working to destroy, which is why we see these people here to start with).

Nope, the logical thing to do is say fuck it, and expel them all. They can sort it out at their end. If they like us so much, sure we can colonize them and run their countries for them. Otherwise, fuck it. Home you go. And I don't imply this for all cultural and ethnic groups, or those who have assimilated - because assimilation is the key here, and that's something that has been lost sight of.

The "melting pot" ensure immigrants assimilated over a generation or two. Multi-cultural, and "diversity" by way of contrast is a recipe for ethnic conflict.

So if you cannot assimilate, and parading down the streets or in UCLA screaming "gas the Jews" is about as opposite to assimilation as you get, fuck it. Round them up, and their families, and deport them. It's the least we can do to ensure they are with people they feel they are part of. Because if we don't, we'll end up shooting them in the end. THAT is reality, like it or not.

Tribalism, pure and simple. It's NEVER worked out well for anyone.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Egyptian forces have emplaced concrete wall sections at the Rafah border crossing gate in southern Gaza, completely shutting it down.

Egypt has just turned Gaza into an open air prison, cutting of the only escape route into a state with which they are not at war for Palestinian civilians! Shame on them.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Yossi Landau was part of a volunteer team to recover the victims in Kibbutz Be'eri. The scenes he witnessed were unspeakable. “The 20 children we saw in Kibbutz Be’eri was beyond terrible. [The terrorists] had bound their hands behind them. Abused them terribly. And simply put them one on top of the other and burned them. How can you do such a thing?”

 

[ll74]

Oh no, I agree with you. They aren't the same they.

But it DOESN'T MATTER. How can we tell, en masse? We're talking hundreds of thousand, it not millions, here. Who are the "good" ones, and who are the "bad" ones by our standards, and when I say "ours", I imply moderately conservative Judeo-Christian cultural and societal standards (which obviously most of our leftists do not share and are actively working to destroy, which is why we see these people here to start with).

People who don't call for the death of a group are the good ones.

Nope, the logical thing to do is say fuck it, and expel them all. They can sort it out at their end. If they like us so much, sure we can colonize them and run their countries for them. Otherwise, fuck it. Home you go. And I don't imply this for all cultural and ethnic groups, or those who have assimilated - because assimilation is the key here, and that's something that has been lost sight of.

That isn't logical....that is lazy and cruel and bigoted.

The "melting pot" ensure immigrants assimilated over a generation or two. Multi-cultural, and "diversity" by way of contrast is a recipe for ethnic conflict.

New York was a tribal hellhole in the 1800s. Should they have expelled all the Irish?

So if you cannot assimilate, and parading down the streets or in UCLA screaming "gas the Jews" is about as opposite to assimilation as you get, fuck it. Round them up, and their families, and deport them. It's the least we can do to ensure they are with people they feel they are part of. Because if we don't, we'll end up shooting them in the end. THAT is reality, like it or not.

Lazy and ignorant and bigoted.

 

[ll74]

Oh no, I agree with you. They aren't the same they.

But it DOESN'T MATTER. How can we tell, en masse? We're talking hundreds of thousand, it not millions, here. Who are the "good" ones, and who are the "bad" ones by our standards, and when I say "ours", I imply moderately conservative Judeo-Christian cultural and societal standards (which obviously most of our leftists do not share and are actively working to destroy, which is why we see these people here to start with).

Nope, the logical thing to do is say fuck it, and expel them all. They can sort it out at their end. If they like us so much, sure we can colonize them and run their countries for them. Otherwise, fuck it. Home you go. And I don't imply this for all cultural and ethnic groups, or those who have assimilated - because assimilation is the key here, and that's something that has been lost sight of.

The "melting pot" ensure immigrants assimilated over a generation or two. Multi-cultural, and "diversity" by way of contrast is a recipe for ethnic conflict.

So if you cannot assimilate, and parading down the streets or in UCLA screaming "gas the Jews" is about as opposite to assimilation as you get, fuck it. Round them up, and their families, and deport them. It's the least we can do to ensure they are with people they feel they are part of. Because if we don't, we'll end up shooting them in the end. THAT is reality, like it or not.

We tried the shit you're calling for during world war 2 with Asians.

It was lazy, stupid and cruel then also

 

[One_ping_only]

Where are the other Arab nations? They have not done a thing, Egypt won't even let them cross the border to escape the coming hell they begged for in their attack. Why? Because the Arab nations know the Palestinians for their ingrateful petulence.

Funny how you don't hear a dam thing from Egypt about their border crossing with Gaza?!?! I would had thought they'd be begging Israel to have the innocent population of Gaza ...... at least the women and children cross their border but NOPE. You can hear a pin drop ?

Someone earlier also mentioned that no other Arab country is calling out loud for the Palestinians so now I get it. So sad that those children will be suffering.

 

[One_ping_only]

Egyptian forces have emplaced concrete wall sections at the Rafah border crossing gate in southern Gaza, completely shutting it down.

Egypt has just turned Gaza into an open air prison, cutting of the only escape route into a state with which they are not at war for Palestinian civilians! Shame on them.

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Sorta looks like what the United States wall dividing Mexico and Texas looked like? Unfortunately that wall no longer exists with thousands of migrants entering the U.S.

 

[ChloeTzang]

We tried the shit you're calling for during world war 2 with Asians.

It was lazy, stupid and cruel then also

The difference being those Asians had largely assimilated or were assimilating and were on our side. The Nisei were recruited into the military and fought extremely hard on the side of their country - America.

 

[ll74]

The difference being those Asians had largely assimilated or were assimilating and were on our side. The Nisei were recruited into the military and fought extremely hard on the side of their country - America.

Of course there's a difference between the victims of the horseshit. They're the victims.

I'm talking about the people who put the victims there.....that is the same bullshit. You thinking your shit smells better is laughable

 

[RandyRebecca]

So let me ask you this...Are you justifying Hamas's actions? Beheading women and children? Killing thousand of civilians?

Plenty of people here justify Israel's actions of doing exactly that. Israel are the imperialist power here. I've also said that violent retaliation is inevitable, and I'm no pacifist.

100% as a matter of choice. They could have chosen to accept the UN mandate to create two states, but they and the rest of the Arab world refused, choosing instead to embark on a futile, murderous, self-destructive war against Israel's existence.

The map below shows a lot, about how Palestinians have been removed from their land. The white areas on the 1946 map are where Jews lived in Palestine in 1946.

https://cdn2.opendemocracy.net/media/images/disappearing-palestine_copy_sKaZQ0k.width-800.jpg

 

[SimonDoom]

The map below shows a lot, about how Palestinians have been removed from their land. The white areas on the 1946 map are where Jews lived in Palestine in 1946.

https://cdn2.opendemocracy.net/media/images/disappearing-palestine_copy_sKaZQ0k.width-800.jpg

I don't agree with all of Israel's policies concerning settlements in the West Bank. But my point is that none of this would have happened if the Arabs had simply agreed to recognize Israel. Losing wars has consequences. The Ottoman Empire lost almost everything --including the land shown in those maps--because of World War 1. Should this land be given back to Turkey? After all, the Turks controlled this land for a long time. The Palestinian Arabs have NEVER had an independent state in this land.

See that second map? The green is what the Palestinians would have had, and would have today, if they hadn't started the war against Israel. Israel gave Gaza back to the Arabs and the Arabs in Gaza STILL keep attacking Israel.

If you believe that Israel should be eliminated as an independent state and folded into a greater Palestine, of which the Arabs would be the majority, then your position is intellectually consistent, but it's morally depraved and it's delusional, because 1) it would result in an even bloodier war than what has happened to date, with many fanatical Arabs attempting to wipe out the Jews, and 2) there's zero chance of it ever happening. Why maintain a delusional belief? Any real solution MUST be based on the idea of Israel being preserved as an independent state.

 

[ll74]

I don't agree with all of Israel's policies concerning settlements in the West Bank. But my point is that none of this would have happened if the Arabs had simply agreed to recognize Israel. Losing wars has consequences. The Ottoman Empire lost almost everything --including the land shown in those maps--because of World War 1. Should this land be given back to Turkey? After all, the Turks controlled this land for a long time. The Palestinian Arabs have NEVER had an independent state in this land.

See that second map? The green is what the Palestinians would have had, and would have today, if they hadn't started the war against Israel. Israel gave Gaza back to the Arabs and the Arabs in Gaza STILL keep attacking Israel.

If you believe that Israel should be eliminated as an independent state and folded into a greater Palestine, of which the Arabs would be the majority, then your position is intellectually consistent, but it's morally depraved and it's delusional, because 1) it would result in an even bloodier war than what has happened to date, with many fanatical Arabs attempting to wipe out the Jews, and 2) there's zero chance of it ever happening. Why maintain a delusional belief? Any real solution MUST be based on the idea of Israel being preserved as an independent state.

The discussion is lost when it becomes a discussion of Israel versus Palestine.

It ignores the subtleties that are required to understand the actual conflict.

 

[ll74]

Blah blah blah. Yup, the Palis are scum, and so are their enemies.

Both sideism is dumb.

There are no “good guys” in the Middle East, and the only way to avoid supporting villains… is to support none of them.

Bullshit. There are good guys everywhere.

 

[TrailerHitch]

See how meaningless the word. “Terrorist” has become? Now it’s just someone you dislike or someone who disagrees with you.

Your government did that because it also means they can do anything they want to someone who is so labeled.

And they keep you at each other’s throats because that makes you easy to control. Not only will you cheer when they murder for their own ends, you’ll be an informant when the opportunity arises.

If you openly support terrorists, and seek to justify their terrorist actions, like killing civilians, like targeting women and children, like beheading women and children, then you are exactly a terrorist too. Don't like seeing that? Then don't look in the mirror.

I trust any government, mine included, about as much as I trust you...not at all.

 

[Dribble]

Egypt warned Israel of the impending attack 3 days before. Israel did nothing.

The US warned Israel that something was up. The first warning was a week before the attack. Israel did nothing.

The PA warned Israel of Hamas movement 24 hrs before the attack. Israel did nothing.

All three of these statements have now been corroborated and can be found in the media link I provided several days ago.

So...why did Israel sacrifice their citizens? Answer is quite plain. Sucks human lives mean nothing. Pawns in a game.

 

[One_ping_only]

Egypt warned Israel of the impending attack 3 days before. Israel did nothing.

The US warned Israel that something was up. The first warning was a week before the attack. Israel did nothing.

The PA warned Israel of Hamas movement 24 hrs before the attack. Israel did nothing.

All three of these statements have now been corroborated and can be found in the media link I provided several days ago.

So...why did Israel sacrifice their citizens? Answer is quite plain. Sucks human lives mean nothing. Pawns in a game.

I can't help but think that now after the Hammas attacks despite the warnings and Isreal not doing anything ....... in essence getting caught with their pants down so to speak ........ How UNITED Isreal seems to be now.

It's like the country is no longer divided since it now has a common enemy where all of the Israeli citizens needs to focus on and destroy hmmmmm?? Am I right??

Can't and won't say that the warnings were if ignored but who knows?

 

[ll74]

Egypt warned Israel of the impending attack 3 days before. Israel did nothing.

The US warned Israel that something was up. The first warning was a week before the attack. Israel did nothing.

The PA warned Israel of Hamas movement 24 hrs before the attack. Israel did nothing.

All three of these statements have now been corroborated and can be found in the media link I provided several days ago.

So...why did Israel sacrifice their citizens? Answer is quite plain. Sucks human lives mean nothing. Pawns in a game.

Sources.