Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

[ll74]

That being said refugees are streaming across the Egyptian and Israeli borders. They are being thoroughly vetted as they pass through the check points. Meaning that these are the people that want nothing to do with Hamas's activities. or the consequences thereof. That also means that those who remain in the strip are fair game for the Israeli's.

Egypt's border has been closed. I doubt Israel is open.

Provide a source for this one.

 

[ll74]

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1. You suck at copy pasta
2. Not wanting people to be killed is certainly not pro Hamas

 

[zipman]

So Israel has said that they will stop the blockade if Hamas returns the hostages.

Seems like a simple decision, no?

 

[ll74]

So Israel has said that they will stop the blockade if Hamas returns the hostages.

Seems like a simple decision, no?

Hamas doesn't care about the blockade.

 

[icanhelp1]

1. You suck at copy pasta
2. Not wanting people to be killed is certainly not pro Hamas

Ending genocidal behavior seems to accuse the Israelis of committing genocide. I’m sure BLM’s comments were directed to Israel.

 

[ll74]

Ending genocidal behavior seems to accuse the Israelis of committing genocide. I’m sure BLM’s comments were directed to Israel.

It sounds like you're very confused.
BLM does not support Hamas.

Adding - supporting Palestinians is not the same thing as supporting Hamas.

Adding - not wanting Palestinian citizens to be caught in the crossfire is not against Israel.

 

[ll74]

To be clear on my position here:

Fuck Hamas.

Don't kill people who aren't fighting in the war.

Don't use people who aren't fighting in the war as shields for your war.

 

[LLCox]

So Israel has said that they will stop the blockade if Hamas returns the hostages.

Seems like a simple decision, no?

That's what Hamas wants +. Don't do it.

 

[LLCox]

DO NOT piss off Israel.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...o-main-airports-in-attacks-syrian-state-media

 

[JohnEngelman]

Speaking of how a couple of million Pals are crowded into Gaza, and this is justification for attacking Israel, please join me in a moment of prayer for the poor citizens of Singapore.....

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Singapore demonstrates what the Chinese people are capable of doing with little land and no natural resources.

I do not like Mao Tse Tung, but I love the music in this song.

 

[ll74]

DO NOT piss off Israel.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...o-main-airports-in-attacks-syrian-state-media

I've been avoiding al Jazeera for their anti Israel bias. That being said.....the non discriminatory killing of all Israelis should piss everyone off.

 

[Dribble]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html

 

[Comshaw]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html

They haven't as of yet verified SOME of the atrocities. How about this one?

Slain Israeli Grandma Gruesome Footage Of Dead Body Posted On Her Facebook Page By Hamas

Comshaw

 

[Dribble]

They haven't as of yet verified SOME of the atrocities. How about this one?

Slain Israeli Grandma Gruesome Footage Of Dead Body Posted On Her Facebook Page By Hamas

Comshaw

Morning Comshaw.

Hamas is bad. They do bad things. That does not give Israel the right to murder innocents too.

You know these "enclaves" that Hamas attacked? Know the history of them? Not saying Hamas was right. But it was purposeful. Think for a moment. If Hamas could pull this off...why couldn't they have attacked Israel proper? They could have. They chose not to. Why? The response would be the same.

Violence only begets more violence. This solution Israel is implementing...will only create more violence. It is a choice. There are solutions. Qatar would...and can...broker the release of hostages. But that isn't what Israel wants. Why?

This is way more complex than people want to accept. Both sides are wrong

 

[ll74]

Morning Comshaw.

Hamas is bad. They do bad things. That does not give Israel the right to murder innocents too.

You know these "enclaves" that Hamas attacked? Know the history of them? Not saying Hamas was right. But it was purposeful. Think for a moment. If Hamas could pull this off...why couldn't they have attacked Israel proper? They could have. They chose not to. Why? The response would be the same.

Violence only begets more violence. This solution Israel is implementing...will only create more violence. It is a choice. There are solutions. Qatar would...and can...broker the release of hostages. But that isn't what Israel wants. Why?

This is way more complex than people want to accept. Both sides are wrong

Hamas indiscriminately killed Israelis because they want to wipe Israel from the face of the earth....it's literally their mission statement.

Israel has publicly stated that their intent is the destruction of Hamas....specifically. not Palestinians as a whole....just Hamas.

Your both sideism is horseshit.

And no, I'm not saying that everything Israel does is just or right. Or that I agree with their entire approach on the region. I am, however, completely saying that Hamas is wrong from top to bottom.

 

[Dribble]

Hamas indiscriminately killed Israelis because they want to wipe Israel from the face of the earth....it's literally their mission statement.

Israel has publicly stated that their intent is the destruction of Hamas....specifically. not Palestinians as a whole....just Hamas.

Your both sideism is horseshit.

And no, I'm not saying that everything Israel does is just or right. Or that I agree with their entire approach on the region. I am, however, completely saying that Hamas is wrong from top to bottom.

So? What does that have to do with the everyday Palestinian people? Let's look at it differently...let's look at here in the US. If Trump is re-elected...and if that election occured today that is what would happen...why should normal people be punished? Yet...do you think that won't happen? This isn't both sidisms. This is about the reality of what is. Both sides have a long history of human rights abuses. THAT IS MY POINT. Why should the World only look at atrocities one side commits? Stop the shelling today. Evacuate the women and children and foreign nationals to Egypt. Take a deep breath...and work on a release of hostages. Or....are you saying hostages don't matter? Because they will be sacrificed if what is happening continues.

 

[icanhelp1]

So? What does that have to do with the everyday Palestinian people? Let's look at it differently...let's look at here in the US. If Trump is re-elected...and if that election occured today that is what would happen...why should normal people be punished? Yet...do you think that won't happen? This isn't both sidisms. This is about the reality of what is. Both sides have a long history of human rights abuses. THAT IS MY POINT. Why should the World only look at atrocities one side commits? Stop the shelling today. Evacuate the women and children and foreign nationals to Egypt. Take a deep breath...and work on a release of hostages. Or....are you saying hostages don't matter? Because they will be sacrificed if what is happening continues.

What’s your answer?

 

[Dribble]

What’s your answer?

I gave it. Can't you read? Murdering innocent Palestinians to kill Hamas will not result in peace. Israel has secured their borders. Now...focus on the goal...release of hostages. Or do you believe they are a worthy sacrifice?

 

[ll74]

So? What does that have to do with the everyday Palestinian people?

I never said it did.

Let's look at it differently...let's look at here in the US. If Trump is re-elected...and if that election occured today that is what would happen...why should normal people be punished? Yet...do you think that won't happen? This isn't both sidisms. This is about the reality of what is. Both sides have a long history of human rights abuses. THAT IS MY POINT. Why should the World only look at atrocities one side commits? Stop the shelling today. Evacuate the women and children and foreign nationals to Egypt. Take a deep breath...and work on a release of hostages. Or....are you saying hostages don't matter? Because they will be sacrificed if what is happening continues.

I specifically talked about what each side is and has done.

The sides right now are Hamas and Israel.

Hamas is indiscriminately killing Israelis without any particular target. Hamas is using civilians(Palestinians) as shields for its forces.

Israel is targeting Hamas. Israel is not shielding it's troops with civilians.

Both sides of this conflict are not doing the same thing.

If you want to discuss Israel's policies towards Palestinians, that is a different topic and is not related to this particular war, which Hamas initiated.


As for the Palestinian people, Hamas is to blame. The PLA is a better representative and should be governing...instead Hamas took over and has not allowed Palestinians to elect new leadership since then.

 

[Dribble]

I never said it did.


I specifically talked about what each side is and has done.

The sides right now are Hamas and Israel.

Hamas is indiscriminately killing Israelis without any particular target. Hamas is using civilians(Palestinians) as shields for its forces.

Israel is targeting Hamas. Israel is not shielding it's troops with civilians.

Both sides of this conflict are not doing the same thing.

If you want to discuss Israel's policies towards Palestinians, that is a different topic and is not related to this particular war, which Hamas initiated.

Go to the website I linked before.

Latest feed? Israeli citizens murdering 2 Palestinians that were participating in a funeral. Yea...nice.

 

[ll74]

Go to the website I linked before.

Latest feed? Israeli citizens murdering 2 Palestinians that were participating in a funeral. Yea...nice.

So random Israelis who are out for revenge is the same thing as Hamas murdering indiscriminately

Fuck off.

Yes, killing people is wrong. That applies to everyone. The attacks weren't the same and the war that those attacks initiated isn't the same....it is a war.

 

[Dribble]

I never said it did.


I specifically talked about what each side is and has done.

The sides right now are Hamas and Israel.

Hamas is indiscriminately killing Israelis without any particular target. Hamas is using civilians(Palestinians) as shields for its forces.

Israel is targeting Hamas. Israel is not shielding it's troops with civilians.

Both sides of this conflict are not doing the same thing.

If you want to discuss Israel's policies towards Palestinians, that is a different topic and is not related to this particular war, which Hamas initiated.


As for the Palestinian people, Hamas is to blame. The PLA is a better representative and should be governing...instead Hamas took over and has not allowed Palestinians to elect new leadership since then.

Actually...did Hamas initiate it? Or was it in response to Israeli actions? I don't have that answer. But I can see it either way. Shouldn't that be the way the World looks at conflicts?

As I brought up to Comshaw...who I do respect...the enclaves targeted have a history. Shouldn't that violent history factor into the possibility that that might matter?

 

[Comshaw]

Morning Comshaw.

Hamas is bad. They do bad things. That does not give Israel the right to murder innocents too.

You know these "enclaves" that Hamas attacked? Know the history of them? Not saying Hamas was right. But it was purposeful. Think for a moment. If Hamas could pull this off...why couldn't they have attacked Israel proper? They could have. They chose not to. Why? The response would be the same.

Violence only begets more violence. This solution Israel is implementing...will only create more violence. It is a choice. There are solutions. Qatar would...and can...broker the release of hostages. But that isn't what Israel wants. Why?

This is way more complex than people want to accept. Both sides are wrong

So what you are saying is it's not okay for HAMAS and company to do the horrendous things they did but it's understandable? But it's not understandable that Israel would be so angry at these atrocities that they would retaliate? Have the Palestinians ever tried a peaceful solution, tried to work with the Israelis on hammering out an equitable peace? Or is it all on the Israelis to do that? And if so why? If I remember right way back the Israelis occupied parts of the strip and the West Bank because they had been attacked. I will freely admit that a secondary reason was an expansion of their territory. BUT that was a distant second reason. That's not acceptable, right? But doing this is?

I saw the video of filling a spring with concrete however, it was a standalone, no explanation, no context and not in a language I could understand so I really couldn't take it seriously because of that.

Of course violence begets violence. That said, there is NO excuse for expressly targeting and killing civilians for no other reason than to kill them. HAMAS should have known (and I'm sure they did but didn't care) it would lead back to retribution from Israel. Had they had any other aim than to kill Israelis they could have played on and used the world's opinion and sympathy for their cause. They didn't. they didn't even try. How many times have rockets been fired from within the Gaza Strip and were dismissed with, "Well they didn't hit anything, so it was harmless." Yeah, somebody shoots at my house I shoot back. A stray shot can kill someone just as dead as an aimed one.

Many of those who live in the strip just want to live their lives without fear. But there are enough who support such actions as taken by HAMAS that they empowered that group.

In the end there was NO excuse for the actions taken by HAMAS. NONE. All they did was stir the hornet's nest and bring it down on the innocents living in the strip. Many innocent lives were and will be lost because of their actions. And the bad part is many of those who engaged in this action will run and hide and let the innocents be the martyrs for the cause.


Comshaw

 

[ll74]

Actually...did Hamas initiate it? Or was it in response to Israeli actions? I don't have that answer. But I can see it either way. Shouldn't that be the way the World looks at conflicts?

Hamas initiated it. Hamas had no specific targets against government policy. Hamas targeted Israeli citizens.

Conflicts exist....granted....you handle conflicts by specifically targeting those in power. You don't murder.kids at an edm concert.

As I brought up to Comshaw...who I do respect...the enclaves targeted have a history. Shouldn't that violent history factor into the possibility that that might matter?

Nope. They murdered people who were at these historical places as citizens.

Sorry....your position is idiotic and wrong.

 

[icanhelp1]

I gave it. Can't you read? Murdering innocent Palestinians to kill Hamas will not result in peace. Israel has secured their borders. Now...focus on the goal...release of hostages. Or do you believe they are a worthy sacrifice?

I can read your non answer. How do you deal with Hamas. They use their own people as human shields. It’s not just about dealing with Hamas that’s at the center of this issue. In order to eliminate future threats tunnel systems need to be flattened, weapons and ammunition depots need to be destroyed. Palestinians are partly at fault for this terrorist threat. 2005 Palestinians were given back the strip and allowed Hamas to take over. There is no clean way to deal with terrorist that are willing to die for their religious cause. Things won’t change till the theocratic leadership of Iran is disposed of like the garbage they are. Till Iran pays a massive price for funding terror nothing except more dead people is in the future.

The pummeling of the Gaza Strip may motivate Palestinians to rise up against Hamas, and maybe not.