Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

[RobDownSouth]

Gaza is not Hamas. There are quite a number of Hamas supporters living in Gaza, one of the most densely populated places on Earth.

 

[AveryElle]

If your country is a signatory to the Fourth Geneva Convention your country may not permanently occupy conquered territory nor evict inhabitants

…..and? What land are you currently on?

 

[ll74]

You support the killing of Palestinians?

I do not

Is the violence of a slave against a slave owner as bad or worse as the violence of a slave owner against a slave? Contemptible morality if so.

There's quite a bit more complexity and history here, but you go ahead and throw in a false equivalency in there for reduction sake

I noticed you didn't refute your support.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I noticed you didn't refute your support.

I'm not a pacifist. If Israel brutally suppresses and kills Palestinians for decades, what exactly do they expect? An almighty backlash at some stage is inevitable.

Israel bulldozes Palestinians' houses on a whim (and calls it "the lawnmower"), kills Palestinians (including children) for throwing stones. There was silence in most of the world's media when this happened. Silence equals complicity.

 

[ll74]

I'm not a pacifist. If Israel brutally suppresses and kills Palestinians for decades, what exactly do they expect? An almighty backlash at some stage is inevitable.

Israel bulldozes Palestinians' houses on a whim (and calls it "the lawnmower"), kills Palestinians (including children) for throwing stones. There was silence in most of the world's media when this happened. Silence equals complicity.

Awesome. So Israelis deserve to die in your opinion

Neat

 

[RandyRebecca]

Awesome. So Israelis deserve to die in your opinion

Neat

I notice that you don't address Israel's crimes, Israel being the brutal imperialist occupier (the slave owner equivalent).

Imagine complaining about slave violence against slave owners in the same way. That's what liberals do, pretend to be on the oppressed's side but actually side with the imperialist oppressors.

 

[ll74]

I notice that you don't address Israel's crimes, Israel being the brutal imperialist occupier (the slave owner equivalent).

Imagine complaining about slave violence against slave owners in the same way.

Yah, I noticed you deflected to that while I stayed on the topic.

As I mentioned, i don't support the killing of Palestinians.

I also mentioned earlier in the thread that I don't support the occupation nor Israeli settlements in occupied territories.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711354139546906786

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711450096758337734

 

[ll74]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711354139546906786

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711450096758337734

I read a quote somewhere.....the same folks chanting "Jews will not replace us" are openly calling for the Jews to commit genocide on Palestinians.

This is an odd world we live in.

 

[DeluxAuto]

So you support the killing of Israelis.

He never said that.

So Israelis deserve to die in your opinion

Or this.

 

[DeluxAuto]

the same folks chanting "Jews will not replace us" are openly calling for the Jews to commit genocide on Palestinians.

MAGAT incels are a very confused crowd.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Given how the Palestinians oppress women and gays/lbgt people, I'm kind of surprised you aren't actually SUPPORTING Hamas in this one. Or is it more like, any flimsy excuse to pin more world problems on Biden is worth going against your own (fucked up) hate mongering values?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Honestly I'm really shocked at the number of people here who are claiming they would take what is happening to Gaza lying down.

 

[jaF0]

Not sure if credible, but I've seen reports of Israeli forces clearing houses, sending civilians to a city square, them bombing the square.

 

[Jmanchu]

Normally I don't stick my nose in politics, since politics to me is like an asshole. Usually displaying it in public is going to cause controversy and a lot of offense. It's a shitshow. My thoughts on this shit though, is I think the people who suffer the worst are the Palestinians, and then the Isreali citizens. HAMAS has no interest in peace, HAMAS just wants blood even at the expense of their own people. I heard a quote from them that pretty much rings true to their philosophy: They've preached something along the lines they "love death more than Israel loves life."

Whatever people can say about Israel/Palestine, I don't anyone who genuinely cares about the Palestinian people can support HAMAS in good conscience. They use their citizens as partisans and shields, and Gaza gets aid, a lot of aid despite what people say about Israel or other countries leaving Palestine destitute with blockades, etc. Where does that aid go? To give the Palestinian civilians finance and access to better education and health conditions? No, to weaponry, attempts to kill, and to the corrupt leaders of HAMAS and other groups there. I think there are well over a thousand millionaires in Gaza, despite the fact that there's so much poverty there, the rich are really rich and the poor are poor as fuck. How does that happen? HAMAS declared war on FATAH and other groups in Palestine, killing and suppressing rival groups while essentially burning bridges with the West Bank. And speaking of burning bridges, they pissed off Egypt, a country that isn't fond of Israel to the point they blockaded Gaza too from their border next to it. Palestine is completely in a schism pretty much TWO NATIONS because of these politics(West Bank leaders vs Gaza's current dictatorship). How does that contribute to the wellbeing of Palestine? They start wars with a nation that can easily crush the place worse than they did with Lebanon if that country had no restraint or obligation to try to be peaceful, and then put their people at risk, firing rockets and shit next to playgrounds, the most densely populated apartment housing complexes, schools, off of hospitals, etc. West Bank has problems, hostilities too with Israel, but you don't see them half as fucked up as Gaza even with their extremists. Why? no HAMAS!

People can say whatever they want, but after all the crap that HAMAS just pulled, a deliberate massacre on civilians, they are not in the right for that. They are stupid. Hate or love Israel, but if you care about Palestine, you would not support HAMAS. They are evil. That's my opinion on the matter.

 

[ll74]

Not sure if credible, but I've seen reports of Israeli forces clearing houses, sending civilians to a city square, them bombing the square.

I'd appreciate it if you shared those reports.

 

[Sean Renaud]

As little as I like Israel I don't believe they would do anything like that.

 

[jaF0]

Again, not sure of credibility .....

They were told to leave their homes. They did. They were still bombed ​

Palestinians in Beit Hanoun were instructed by Israeli army to leave their homes and head for city centre. Hours later, the city centre was targeted
www.middleeasteye.net

 

[ll74]

Again, not sure of credibility .....

They were told to leave their homes. They did. They were still bombed ​

Palestinians in Beit Hanoun were instructed by Israeli army to leave their homes and head for city centre. Hours later, the city centre was targeted
www.middleeasteye.net

I appreciate it. And noted on the skeptical eye.

 

[Dribble]

Human Rights Watch has correctly called out both sides for violations targeting innocent civilians. Won't make any difference...both sides have a long history of violations.

 

[jaF0]

They told everybody to leave. Apparently there is only one open border crossing. Then they hit it.

Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt disrupted by Israeli air raids​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.msn.com.icoAl Jazeera English on MSN.com|4 hours ago
With Israel declaring 'total blockade' of Gaza, crossing with Egypt is single point in and out of besieged enclave.


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[jaF0]

Gaza's Ministry of Health Issued Horrific Report: These Are the Main Points​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.palestinechronicle.com.icoPalestine Chronicle|5 hours ago
Medical services in Gaza are on the verge of collapse, and entire families are still trapped, dead or wounded under the rubble.

Photos: Israeli warplanes carry out airstrikes targeting civilian homes in Beit Hanoun, N. Gaza​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/en.abna24.com.icoen|18 hours ago
Israeli warplanes carry out a series of airstrikes targeting civilian homes in the town of Beit Hanoun, north of the Gaza Strip.

 

[Dribble]

War crimes. And the US says nothing. No surprise. Crimes by Hamas do not justify the crimes by Israel. This is a choice. Nothing we haven't seen before in history. Many times.

 

[jaF0]

Benny wants to make more enemies.

Netanyahu Promises a Response Hamas Will Remember 'for Decades to Come'​

As Israel reacts to the Hamas attacks, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the militant group made "a mistake of historic proportions"

 

[ll74]

They declared war on Hamas. That's what happens when you attack a country like that.

Benny wants to make more enemies.

Netanyahu Promises a Response Hamas Will Remember 'for Decades to Come'​

As Israel reacts to the Hamas attacks, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the militant group made "a mistake of historic proportions"