Serious question to Trump voters

You mean like the Trumps, Bushs, Clintons, Kennedys and Hiltons? You mean like 60% of Americans are 1 pay check away from homelessness? You mean the out of control police force to the point that we per capita have the highest prison rate and are probably pretty high up on slave labor?

Wait are you arguing that communism would work if the right people ran it? Cus while I don't believe that the reality is that only the right speaks of communism to begin with.
The difference is simple really. In a capitalistic economic system anyone has the chance to become rich given the right set of circumstances. Not so under current communist systems.

I prefer our system because I alone control my destiny. I can be homeless and live on the streets or I can work and provide for myself and family. I have been poor, so poor in fact that way back when I couldn't afford the 22 cents to put a stamp on my unemployment card. I dug myself back out and have lived a pretty good life. Not rich by any standard but certainly not poor either.

Funny how both sides of the political spectrum have the ultra rich that use the system to better themselves and the politicians that are their friends protect them. No political party in this country gives a flying fuck about the middle class or the poor. There is virtually nothing, other than re-electing them, that we can do for them.
 
I am saying no votes delivered after election day should count. Its not like there aren't months to get this done by.
Every state allows absentee votes as long as they are postmarked before the end of election day. You'd have to guarantee postal service priority....it just isn't possible. Postmarks are a valid measure
 
The difference is simple really. In a capitalistic economic system anyone has the chance to become rich given the right set of circumstances. Not so under current communist systems.

I prefer our system because I alone control my destiny. I can be homeless and live on the streets or I can work and provide for myself and family. I have been poor, so poor in fact that way back when I couldn't afford the 22 cents to put a stamp on my unemployment card. I dug myself back out and have lived a pretty good life. Not rich by any standard but certainly not poor either.

Funny how both sides of the political spectrum have the ultra rich that use the system to better themselves and the politicians that are their friends protect them. No political party in this country gives a flying fuck about the middle class or the poor. There is virtually nothing, other than re-electing them, that we can do for them.

While there are freaks most rich people are born at least halfway up the food chain if not farther. If you think you can't slip in in any system you're loco.

You don't control your destiny. Have the last two decades gone completely over your head. While I have a very hard time believing you couldn't afford a stamp. I mean even at my lowest low I could afford to to pawn something for five bucks if it came to that. Or hell ask a rando stranger if I can borrow a quarter for a phone call.

Both sides do not have the ultra rich using the system, at least not to the same degree. One sides uber rich wants me to have health care, child care, higher wages and more vacation time. One side wants child labor which will at best stagnate wages and probably in the grand scheme of things lower them. The Ds for someone who doesn't care sure at least attempts to make things better.
 
At this point any vote for any one other than (D) is a waste of your vote.


Some day, that may flip ... again, but not now.

The more offices that go (D) nationwide at all levels, the greater chance we have to bring sanity and civility back into office.
 
Yawn...Blathering louder doesn't erase your stupidity. I tried to show you why you were wrong. But you refuse to learn basic civics so why waste typing time. Revel in your stupidity you seem at home there.
LOL it's hard to prove me wrong Hitch, when I am not, but please continue.

Come on, surely you can find one Dictionary definition....just one!!
 
Every state allows absentee votes as long as they are postmarked before the end of election day. You'd have to guarantee postal service priority....it just isn't possible. Postmarks are a valid measure
Then every election from now on will be suspect.
 
While there are freaks most rich people are born at least halfway up the food chain if not farther. If you think you can't slip in in any system you're loco.

You don't control your destiny. Have the last two decades gone completely over your head. While I have a very hard time believing you couldn't afford a stamp. I mean even at my lowest low I could afford to to pawn something for five bucks if it came to that. Or hell ask a rando stranger if I can borrow a quarter for a phone call.

Both sides do not have the ultra rich using the system, at least not to the same degree. One sides uber rich wants me to have health care, child care, higher wages and more vacation time. One side wants child labor which will at best stagnate wages and probably in the grand scheme of things lower them. The Ds for someone who doesn't care sure at least attempts to make things better.
Believe what you will. If you think the Clinton's give a fuck about the average American then you sir are delusional. Both sides rich only care about themselves and their wealth. They will trample whoever they need to to maintain it.
 
only racists support him at this point.

he's a bad human, a terrible father, a shitty husband, a shady businessman, a 2x impeached one term president, and habitual liar. he tried to get innocent black children executed and we know what he thinks about mexicans.

who hasn't he thrown under the bus?
Only racists? Wow... No way to refute that, once the accusations are hurled.

He did a much better job as prez than I hoped for. Economy was good. gas was half what it's been under Biden. He should have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize for his work in Korea and the Middle East.

He's also a liar, serial adulterer, and whiny crybaby. If he was a neighbor, I wouldn't associate with him, even to get a look at his beautiful wife.

But what was the alternative? He lies carelessly and casually. Hillary lied repeatedly and knowingly. Back when Biden could form complete sentences, he coopted a Welsh politician's life story...

I held my nose and voted for him twice, although he wasn't my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th choice. And I left the Republican party when they nominated him. Dunno if i could do it again. If it's Biden vs Trump, I'll probably throw up in the voting booth.


Your list of faults is telling. What does he think of Mexicans? He wishes illegal aliens of all types would stay home. Impeached? Including AFTER he left office? Says as much about Dems as it does him...
 
LOL it's hard to prove me wrong Hitch, when I am not, but please continue.

Come on, surely you can find one Dictionary definition....just one!!
The point of your argument is to come at this from the wrong premise, hence for your premise your definition is correct.

If you believe we elect the president by popular vote you are too fucking stupid to even be in this conversation.
 
Believe what you will. If you think the Clinton's give a fuck about the average American then you sir are delusional. Both sides rich only care about themselves and their wealth. They will trample whoever they need to to maintain it.

I don't know for sure if the Clintons do. I know the Left pushes for policies that would greatly improve my life and those around me and the Right pushes for policies that would harm me. Nothing that is likely to happen will harm their wealth in any meaningful way.
 
Only racists? Wow... No way to refute that, once the accusations are hurled.

He did a much better job as prez than I hoped for. Economy was good. gas was half what it's been under Biden. He should have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize for his work in Korea and the Middle East.

He's also a liar, serial adulterer, and whiny crybaby. If he was a neighbor, I wouldn't associate with him, even to get a look at his beautiful wife.

But what was the alternative? He lies carelessly and casually. Hillary lied repeatedly and knowingly. Back when Biden could form complete sentences, he coopted a Welsh politician's life story...

I held my nose and voted for him twice, although he wasn't my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th choice. And I left the Republican party when they nominated him. Dunno if i could do it again. If it's Biden vs Trump, I'll probably throw up in the voting booth.


Your list of faults is telling. What does he think of Mexicans? He wishes illegal aliens of all types would stay home. Impeached? Including AFTER he left office? Says as much about Dems as it does him...
Were you not around for the Obama years and Trump? Cus until Trump fucked up Covid (which is why gas was so cheap, nobody was traveling or going into work) he tried in Korea but didn't really get anything for it. I'm glad he tried but there was no return on investment. But Trump just managed not to fuck up Obama's momentum. Not exactly the thing I would boast about.

While there are some lies Hillary did she was the obvious choice by leaps and bounds. The problem was Obama was black and Hillary was a woman and the Right Wing could not allow that to happen. The Right tries to paint this as Hillary v Trump as if the the Rs didn't have so many candidates they had to hold a "serious candidate" debate and "ha ha we'll entertain you."

What does he thinks of Mexicans? He was seriously talking invading so that's what he things. The problem is many wouldn't be illegal if he wasn't actively racist.

Impeached after leaving office? YES he must never be allowed to run again. The fact that the Dems finally grew a bit of a spine is not a sin. We will never recovered from stuff like Nixon walking and Bush facing no consequences.
 
Then every election from now on will be suspect.
To you.

Because you don't understand how they process votes and you believe the horseshit that they're telling you.

Why did you trust elections up until recently? You think they did things differently?
 
Were you not around for the Obama years and Trump? Cus until Trump fucked up Covid (which is why gas was so cheap, nobody was traveling or going into work) he tried in Korea but didn't really get anything for it. I'm glad he tried but there was no return on investment. But Trump just managed not to fuck up Obama's momentum. Not exactly the thing I would boast about.

While there are some lies Hillary did she was the obvious choice by leaps and bounds. The problem was Obama was black and Hillary was a woman and the Right Wing could not allow that to happen. The Right tries to paint this as Hillary v Trump as if the the Rs didn't have so many candidates they had to hold a "serious candidate" debate and "ha ha we'll entertain you."

What does he thinks of Mexicans? He was seriously talking invading so that's what he things. The problem is many wouldn't be illegal if he wasn't actively racist.

Impeached after leaving office? YES he must never be allowed to run again. The fact that the Dems finally grew a bit of a spine is not a sin. We will never recovered from stuff like Nixon walking and Bush facing no consequences.

Well, there you go again, assuming bigotry... Hillary told 'some lies?'

I handed over all the emails...

There was nothing classified on the emails

I only used one device...

I remember landing under fire in Bosnia.


I didn't vote for President Obama, but I had high hopes for him after the first election. How, exactly, did HE earn his prize. The nomination process started right after his election (and the impeachment process for Trump started right after his)

President Obama's m8st famous, most powerful lie was 'If you like your plan, if you like your doctor, you can keep 'em. Period.'

He amended that later, saying 'That's not what we said...'

Trump achieved serious treaties in the Middle East, got the leaders of the 2 Koreas to meet for the first time since the founding of both, 70 years ago. I wish they could have done more, but it was absolutely historic. I don't like him, either, but I recognize what he accomplished.

He must never be allowed to run again?

I'd think Dems would love to see him run again. Should mean an easy win.


Unless they're afraid of the voters...

BTW, after the Dems ignored the clear voice vote of their own delegates at a convention, I've often referred to them as the 'So-called Democratic party. "
 
Read the Constitution. We are a republic.

The USA is a democratic and constitutional republic

just look at the questions anyone looking to become a citizen needs to answer

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
 
The point of your argument is to come at this from the wrong premise, hence for your premise your definition is correct.

If you believe we elect the president by popular vote you are too fucking stupid to even be in this conversation.
Lol where did I mention anything about the EC.
The stupidity you show is thinking a majority is required to elect a person to an office.

It is not. Again go read the definitions of “Democracy”.

Maybe that will help you, but frankly I doubt it. I doubt you finished highschool.

Which like I can’t is the major reason you can’t understand.
 
Well, there you go again, assuming bigotry... Hillary told 'some lies?'

I handed over all the emails...

There was nothing classified on the emails

I only used one device...

I remember landing under fire in Bosnia.


I didn't vote for President Obama, but I had high hopes for him after the first election. How, exactly, did HE earn his prize. The nomination process started right after his election (and the impeachment process for Trump started right after his)

President Obama's m8st famous, most powerful lie was 'If you like your plan, if you like your doctor, you can keep 'em. Period.'

He amended that later, saying 'That's not what we said...'

Trump achieved serious treaties in the Middle East, got the leaders of the 2 Koreas to meet for the first time since the founding of both, 70 years ago. I wish they could have done more, but it was absolutely historic. I don't like him, either, but I recognize what he accomplished.

He must never be allowed to run again?

I'd think Dems would love to see him run again. Should mean an easy win.


Unless they're afraid of the voters...

BTW, after the Dems ignored the clear voice vote of their own delegates at a convention, I've often referred to them as the 'So-called Democratic party. "

Literally half of what you list as lies probably are taken out of context and don't even matter to a logical human being.

Trump accomplished close to nothing in the Middle East. As for Korea I said I'm happy he tried but there was no genuine pay off other than making Kim Jong Il look good on the world stage. This is the exact same thing people accuse Joe of doing with China but we all know its a flat out lie.

The EC is so screwed that there is no real thing as an easy win.

Being afraid of the bigoted voters is pretty smart. We massively underestimated the level of hate the right has.

The Dems have a fuck load of questions. I mean we could start with they aren't Lefties or Liberals. Then they don't fight the Right. They don't actually go on the media nearly as much as they absolutely should be doing. They never defend each other which while honorable is not how you win a 1v1 game. If your team sets a building on fire you are obligated to look for termites until everybody moves on. Sucks but there it is.
 
To you.

Because you don't understand how they process votes and you believe the horseshit that they're telling you.

Why did you trust elections up until recently? You think they did things differently?
trump said it was the most secure election ever -- right up until he lost.
 
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