Serious question to Trump voters

[TrailerHitch]

Its a democracy plain and simple. We don't directly vote for the President and other issues since I'm not sure how people only talk about the EC that we aren't a democracy.

Because the form of electing president is NOT democracy. It is not one man one vote. Each state counts its votes and the electoral college decides how to vote.

 

[TrailerHitch]

trump voters are not serious people so how can they answer a serious question?

Just because you go to is to insult people doesn't mean in any way, shape or form that you are correct in this case. The vote for president is not democracy because it is not determined by popular vote. Sorry if that is beyond your ability to understand, but it is the truth.

 

[TrailerHitch]

My answer is 100% correct, and there is no way for you to refute it. Sorry Hitch.

But please try and "educate" me, that should be "entertaining"....lol

If we were a pure democracy there would be no electoral college. The president would be elected by popular vote. Since he is not we are not a democracy but a democratic republic. Junior high civics, maybe you should have stayed awake that day.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Exactly. One thing I've always wondered about people who push that we are Republic or Democratic Republic vs a democracy. Maybe its always been this way but I don't see how people can justify the tyranny of the minority we've seen especially since Obama.

People are getting older, they know there's not much time left for them, so on the Political side their trying to move the country in the direction they think it should go. Look at McConnell, he's managed to build up SCOTUS with what he fells are people who will shape the laws in the direction he felt they should go. Guy would get the gold medal of Politics if there was one. Like what he did or not, he accomplished it.

I mean its not even a "lets negotiate and meet halfway" this is "You give me everything I want or I will shut down the government.

That is the other spectrum, those are the "cultist devotees" who's ideology is focused on one what's best for them. I put people like Jordan or MTG in this group. Those are the ones who are dangerous to your Government.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

If we were a pure democracy there would be no electoral college. The president would be elected by popular vote. Since he is not we are not a democracy but a democratic republic. Junior high civics, maybe you should have stayed awake that day.

Listen Hitch, there is no "pure Democracy". There is only the meaning of the word "Democracy", and the forms of Government it can take.

You can have a "First past the Post" elections, or like in the US "Weighted voting" elections or you can have "Ranked voting" elections. There are a lot of "mechanics" of how representatives get "elected to their office". But they share the same common denominator, people get to vote in a regular, free and open for scrutiny manner for candidates for those offices.

Now if for example; your President election was decide by a coin toss, or guessing a number between one or ten, or maybe though "trial by combat", or who can spell their name first in the snow, none of those methods are "Democratic".

See how this works? I'm sorry that in the US your school civics teachers were misinformed, but you're now an adult, you should be able to self educate!

 

[icanhelp1]

If we were a pure democracy there would be no electoral college. The president would be elected by popular vote. Since he is not we are not a democracy but a democratic republic. Junior high civics, maybe you should have stayed awake that day.

Perhaps this will help, although Fuzynuts is anal retentive.

“The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications for minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system — i.e., citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.”

It’s hard for a Canadian Marxist to understand our form of government.

 

[Rightguide]

He can go out there and spew all of his greatest hits all he wants… but continuing to do so is more evidence that can be used against him, finally his lawyers got him to understand that.

Don’t lie and you can campaign all you want Cheeto. But he knows his “fans” will turn on him if he doesn’t play the hits. They turned on him when we tried to tell people to wear masks. He learned his lesson. He’s an attention whore, wants people to rally around him so he will say/do anything.

And you have bought into it. That’s your issue, not ours.

So merely his free speech is criminal? In what country, under what Constitution?

 

[Rightguide]

Do you actually believe this tripe? Cus all of these are good things to varying degrees and the fact that you're proud the Right is only for bigots speaks volumes.

Yes Communist political action is the path forward for the human race, right?

 

[adrina]

Fucking dumb ass debate.




"We're gathered together in the heart of our nation's capital for one very, very basic and simple reason: To save our democracy."

- Trump 02/2021
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

"I guess that's had some impact on the poll ... But look, I think we have a very solid democracy,"

- Mitch McConnel 04/2022
https://www.businessinsider.com/mitch-mcconnell-american-democracy-is-very-solid-2022-8

"This is what democracy looks like when you get up close."

- Tucker Carlson 01/2023
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-this-what-democracy-looks-like

"That is why the integrity of our elections is so essential to our democracy."

- Greg Abbott 02/2021
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-delivers-2021-state-of-the-state-address

"But I would urge to both sides, perhaps a bit less certitude and a bit more recognition that we are gathered at a time when democracy is in crisis."

- Ted Cruz 01/2021
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/06/ted-cruzs-electoral-vote-speech-will-live-infamy/

"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man."

- Ronald Reagan, 04/2009
https://www.reaganfoundation.org/ro...h-anniversary-of-the-normandy-invasion-d-day/

"If you're concerned about threats to our democracy"

- Kevin McCarthy, 05/2023, Twitter

"Donald Trump has added a whole different factor that we've never seen before, but the audience loves it. We've seen the energy around our state, so many crowds coming; it's good for democracy to have so many people engaged."

- Ronna McDaniel 03/2016
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/03/07/michigan-ronna-romney-mcdaniel


Go correct all of these republican leaders, past and present about your particular knit picking about the term democracy versus republic. There's literally thousands upon thousands of examples of conservatives referring to America as a democracy.

 

[Rightguide]

Exactly. One thing I've always wondered about people who push that we are Republic or Democratic Republic vs a democracy. Maybe its always been this way but I don't see how people can justify the tyranny of the minority we've seen especially since Obama. I mean its not even a "lets negotiate and meet halfway" this is "You give me everything I want or I will shut down the government.

Read the Constitution. We are a republic.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...tp&cvid=2e24a2e966684add90b2c2f039e58b86&ei=7

In a blunt-talking column published by the Charlotte Observer, a lifelong Evangelical expressed dismay that Christians have been taken in by Donald Trump who could not be less like Jesus Christ.

According to Isaac Bailey, Christians who are still standing by the former president despite his record of criminality and incitements to violence need to "wake up" and realize they have been suckered by a con man who has been preying on them since he was first elected in 2016.

referring to parishioners who are saying the words of jesus are weak, he goes on to say:

"Maybe in their minds, Trump is the Jesus of Revelation. He’s the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords with a sword in his mouth who has come back to judge the righteous and unrighteous, to wage war."

"It’s why they view every Trump indictment not as democracy working as intended, upholding the principle that no man is above the law, but as akin to a lash from a Roman soldier’s whip on Jesus’ back. I wish it weren’t true. But it is."

and how anti-christian is that, to see trump as jesus part2???

 

[Rightguide]

Are you really this stupid?

Yes he is.

 

[Rightguide]

can any trump voter tell me why all the other debate candidates have signed a pledge to back the eventual 'chosen one' but trump refuses to? why should any of them pledge a form of loyalty to him when he refuses to do the same for them?

Because he's free to do so. This is America.

 

[schism666]

Just because you go to is to insult people doesn't mean in any way, shape or form that you are correct in this case. The vote for president is not democracy because it is not determined by popular vote. Sorry if that is beyond your ability to understand, but it is the truth.

what the fuck are you on about?

 

[butters]

The USA is a democratic and constitutional republic

just look at the questions anyone looking to become a citizen needs to answer

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes Communist political action is the path forward for the human race, right?

As far as you are concerned yess the Communist political action is the correct path. But your standard for calling someone a commie is someone who thinks the government is a tool and we're foolish not to wield it. We know what amazing things it can do and has done even if we often do it the wrong way.

The reality is when the Left says "Lets look at Europe, cus this program, this one and this one seem to work. Lets copy paste and then see if we can improve it, sure its socialist commie but it works." The Right responds that they aren't socialist commies then turn around and argue if we emulate them all Republicans will be sent to Alaska to mine gold or whatever.

 

[Rightguide]

Trump's high polling numbers within the republican caucus are symptomatic of a whole host of underlying issues. One is the delusional world of TDS the progressive Marxist democrats are consumed with. The hatred is so palpable they have lost all respect for constitutional law as evidenced by the weaponization of the DOJ and other institutions. Two tenets of our constitution " equal application of the law" and " equal protection under the law" have literally been subjugated by a poisonous progressive ideology that is antithetical to our republican form of government. *Trump at all cost* even if it turns our democracy into a banana republic. There's never been a time more critical for the survival of our republic than now... to listen to the voice of its people and let them decide who they wish to be led by.



Stacking 4 indictment perfectly timed to play out during an election cycle is prima facie evidence of election interference. When our legal system consistently searches for a crime that may or may not meet judicial muster then we have flipped lady justice on her head. Isolate the individual then find a crime, a tactic the corrupt DOJ has used with great success for the last 8 years starting with Flynn, Carter, Papadopoulos, charging and convicting on process ( favorite... lying to federal agents ) rather than guilty of an actual crime. *Crossfire Hurricane* * the Mueller investigation * * two sham impeachments * and now four indictments to saturate our legal system with weak indictments engaging in sham prosecutorial discretion where prosecutors have nothing to lose, never held to account and defendants go bankrupt. We have a very powerful administrative state that is calling the shots as evidenced by the suppression of the Hunter laptop, FBI obstructing oversight, IRS agents instructed to stand down from their investigation of possible Biden family corruption, IRS failure to work with congress on already exposed SARs and the existence of multiple shell companies used to disguise illegal profiteering ( bribes ) on our citizens dime.

Joe Biden's illegal possession of classified documents is rebutted by the left as unintentional and lack obstruction, but MUMMS the word. Biden had in his possession classified documents for over 30 years, documents he had no authority to remove from a SCIF... WHERE REMOVING THE DOCUMENTS CANNOT BE EXCUSED FOR ANYTHING BUT INTENT. A plea deal that should have resulted in the firing of a US attorney and possibly charged for prosecutorial malfeasance instead he's promoted to special counsel clearly violating 28 CFR 600.3. Weiss messed up the first five years of the investigation so Garland promoted him under the ridiculous guise that he's a Trump appointee. Hiding a ridiculous immunity clause within a pretrial diversion agreement would have cinched Hunter Biden's walking papers and protected him from any possible prosecution for FARA violations effectively shutting the door on any further investigation into Joe Biden's alleged bribery crimes.

Win at all cost! Lies, deception, gestapo interrogation tactics, unethical use of grand juries, turning our justice system on its head.

This is the big push to dump the Constitution and form a Marxist dictatorship the left has always wanted to do. All the forces of the left, private and corporate are positioned. The first order of business is to isolate and destroy the leaders of the forces of liberty, arrest them, charge them with political crimes and indict their ability to speak freely. The left has already been hard at work criminalizing speech and marginalizing the free expression of patriotic traditional Americans at all levels of society. There's a Pol Pot mentality developing in the radical American left. They do want to solve the "problem" of the 70 to 80 million "Trump supporters" once and for all. They're afraid to say it out loud. They have to put Donald Trump in prison, arrest his family, and start entertaining ideas about the "reeducation of "MAGA people," and of course, we'll have to build a huge "educational campus" somewhere out in flyover country where a proper education can take place beyond the sight and hearing of other Americans. A place where the Robs, Dkovics, and Jomars of the World can apply their well-practiced goose step and authoritarianism.

 

[Rightguide]

As far as you are concerned yess the Communist political action is the correct path. But your standard for calling someone a commie is someone who thinks the government is a tool and we're foolish not to wield it.

Yes, these are the same naive platitudes that led to the enslavement under godless communism of 100 million Europeans and the butchering of untold millions in the 20th Century.

 

[dkovic77]

So merely his free speech is criminal? In what country, under what Constitution?

Individual speech is fine, he can spew what he wants. But collaboration to defraud, that’s where it crosses the line.

Good your mind is small enough to follow him.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes, these are the same naive platitudes that led to the enslavement under godless communism of 100 million Europeans and the butchering of untold millions in the 20th Century.

These actual facts did not lead to the enslavement (which is hilarious that you believe) of Europeans. The government not doing its fucking job lead to that.

 

[Rightguide]

These actual facts did not lead to the enslavement (which is hilarious that you believe) of Europeans. The government not doing its fucking job lead to that.

^^^
This is you being an uneducated dunce. Have you ever read James Michener's The Bridge At Andau or Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago? I doubt it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

This is the big push to dump the Constitution and form a Marxist dictatorship the left has always wanted to do. All the forces of the left, private and corporate are positioned. The first order of business is to isolate and destroy the leaders of the forces of liberty, arrest them, charge them with political crimes and indict their ability to speak freely. The left has already been hard at work criminalizing speech and marginalizing the free expression of patriotic traditional Americans at all levels of society. There's a Pol Pot mentality developing in the radical American left. They do want to solve the "problem" of the 70 to 80 million "Trump supporters" once and for all. They're afraid to say it out loud. They have to put Donald Trump in prison, arrest his family, and start entertaining ideas about the "reeducation of "MAGA people," and of course, we'll have to build a huge "educational campus" somewhere out in flyover country where a proper education can take place beyond the sight and hearing of other Americans. A place where the Robs, Dkovics, and Jomars of the World can apply their well-practiced goose step and authoritarianism.

Dumping the Constitution would be a step in the right direction but you're obsession with Marx is absurd. Have you even read anything by him? Cus if not that renders your opinion moot. Are you not aware of BLM, what Desantis and Abbot are doing? What Trump did to Muslims? The side trying to fight for liberty is NOT the right. Not even close. We can disagree on the best way to solve this or that but not who the villians are at this point.

Nobody wants to deal with you "once and for all" since that implies death. We want you to stop abusing how busted the system is and if the left ever starts playing by Republican rules the Country is toast. I mean I hope I'm wrong but there is no reason to think we couldn't end up without a Supreme Court at all. Both sides stall, more of them die and well that's one problem solved.

 

[Sean Renaud]

^^^
This is you being an uneducated dunce. Have you ever read James Michener's The Bridge At Andau or Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago? I doubt it.

You'd be correct. But I'm sure you can sum it up pretty easily since you obviously did. Highlight reel please?

 

[dkovic77]

^^^
This is you being an uneducated dunce.

Nah, you are referring to this guy. The one who most ‘pubs hope can step in when the Cheeto is finally done.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Perhaps this will help, although Fuzynuts is anal retentive.

“The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications for minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system — i.e., citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.”

It’s hard for a Canadian Marxist to understand our form of government.

lol, no Mr. I don't carry water for Trump", your government is a form of Democracy plain and simple, no way to dodge or deflect or move the goal posts on that. Just as the Canadian Parliamentarian form is, so too is the USA's Republic system. Yes it's correct to name the system you use, but it is not correct to not call it a "Democracy".

We had this discussion a few years back, so I'm not gonna bother re-educating you on it. Seems you're a poor study. I doubt anyone here is surprised by your lack of an education. They teach a lot more about Government in a Political Science University course, than the instruction students are given in some butt fuck high school in Hickville USA.