Serious question to Trump voters

[icanhelp1]

Yeah well it would have been 50% then. 3/5 gave advantage to the south to count “people” who they didn’t deem as people.

South wanted them to count as a full person, north wanted zero.

Really it just placated the south so they would join and stay in the Union.

The wrangling by our forefathers over election protocol was they did not trust congress to select the president, like today they believed congress would form powerful coalitions witch would eventually bring us back to square one ( an authoritarian figure, authoritarian rule )

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yeah well it would have been 50% then. 3/5 gave advantage to the south to count “people” who they didn’t deem as people.

South wanted them to count as a full person, north wanted zero.

Really it just placated the south so they would join and stay in the Union.

This about sums it up. The Founders were worried about breaking up the Union and the old world coming back for them one by one. I wonder if they would have made the same choice if they'd rebelled a little later when the world was busy with Napoleon.

 

[YDB95]

The electoral college was created to stop largely populated areas from always controlling federal elections and making smaller populated areas essentially irrelevant.

No, it wasn't. It was created because the founding fathers didn't trust the voters to elect competent, knowledgeable leaders. It was intended as a stopgap measure to make sure a dangerously dumb or ideological candidate - like Trump - ended up president. That's why electors are not required to vote as their states voted.

It is also worth remembering that they did not expect the Electoral College to actually decide most elections. They thought it would usually be thrown to the House.

 

[jomar]

No I didn't, BSG stated that Biden won by a large margin I disputed that idea. Please don't give me the popular vote, that don't mean shit.

So she did. Your cut and paste reply spoke to the razor thin EC margin that Biden won by. And trumps margin was thinner by half and was something like .02% of total votes, amazing. And he made the most of it while in office and has become an 800 pound gorilla with a stranglehold on the Republican Party that can’t figure out how to make him go away.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Personally, I won’t be participating in the puppet show anymore because when an election can be stolen in broad daylight and nobody does anything about it there’s really no reason to vote.

Well if you're too fucking stupid to see that there was no stolen election, then perhaps it's best you don't vote.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

We are a constitutional republic with fifty unitary states. We have a representative style government with democratic principles, which is as close as we get to a democracy. We are the exact opposite of an oligarchy. You can’t change the constitution when it doesn’t suit you.

America's a fucking Democracy, period end of story. How the "mechanics" of your government function does not make it "close as we get to Democracy".

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It always makes me laugh when people believe organizations and individuals that have lied to them countless times… simply because they’re saying what you want to believe.

Yes, I get that you actually believe that. Which is why it's best you stay home and not vote.

 

[icanhelp1]

So she did. Your cut and paste reply spoke to the razor thin EC margin that Biden won by. And trumps margin was thinner by half and was something like .02% of total votes, amazing. And he made the most of it while in office and has become an 800 pound gorilla with a stranglehold on the Republican Party that can’t figure out how to make him go away.

I pasted a fact, sick of arguing with uninformed individuals.

As far as the Republican Party stacking indictments isn’t the way to make Trump go away.

 

[TrailerHitch]

America's a fucking Democracy, period end of story. How the "mechanics" of your government function does not make it "close as we get to Democracy".

NO, we are not a democracy. If we were a simple majority of the popular vote would elect the president. Instead we are a democratic republic since the states vote by electoral college representatives for president.

 

[phrodeau]

NO, we are not a democracy. If we were a simple majority of the popular vote would elect the president. Instead we are a democratic republic since the states vote by electoral college representatives for president.

Please list the states which are not democracies.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Please list the states which are not democracies.

Sate elections are pure popular votes for STATE elected officials. The presidency is not a pure popular vote but electoral college decided. Hence we are a democratic republic. Stop arguing incorrectly, this is a junior high civics topic and you are as wrong as wrong can be.

 

[phrodeau]

Sate elections are pure popular votes for STATE elected officials. The presidency is not a pure popular vote but electoral college decided. Hence we are a democratic republic. Stop arguing incorrectly, this is a junior high civics topic and you are as wrong as wrong can be.

It’s a democracy except for one guy. Is that what you mean?

 

[TrailerHitch]

It’s a democracy except for one guy. Is that what you mean?

If you are too stupid to understand junior high civics then it is certainly not my job to explain it to you. Maybe it's not too late for you to go back to high school and try to graduate.

By the way, it is 2 positions, president and vice president.

 

[phrodeau]

By the way, it is 2 positions, president and vice president.

I don’t think that any coup plotters were driven to keep Pence in office.

 

[TrailerHitch]

I don’t think that any coup plotters were driven to keep Pence in office.

Nice diversion from the fact that you don't understand what a democratic republic is.

 

[Bigboobbabe]

christie is your only reasonable choice.

I am a New Jersey voter. Christie's term here as Governor saw some great changes that were needed. A few that were divisive (teachers) but for many, not awful.
His public shout-outs during the hurricane brought him lots of good will. His blunder on the beach during CoVID after the "road construction" blocked a bridge to NYC were stupid and childish.
They cost him a lot.
If he truly looks back and becomes the rational politician instead of childish jackass of late. I would consider voting for him.
If DeSantis were to be nominated and win, I would consider moving to another country.
My Disney stock and two DVC time share contracts speak for themselves on that opinion. And that one is truly an emotionally based opinion.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

NO, we are not a democracy. If we were a simple majority of the popular vote would elect the president. Instead we are a democratic republic since the states vote by electoral college representatives for president.

LOL

https://languages.oup.com/google-dictionary-en/
de·moc·ra·cy
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
"capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

democracy​

noun​

a : government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

2 : a political unit that has a democratic government

3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.
from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy—C. M. Roberts


4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority

5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges


I could go on showing how you are wrong, kinda like the back and forth over the definition of an Assault Rifle, as defined by the US Army. But there is no sense, you wouldn't accept the US Army's deffinition, I fucking doubt you will accept the meaning given in every fucking Dictionary with the word "DEMOCRACY" in it.......*chuckles*

 

[phrodeau]

Nice diversion from the fact that you don't understand what a democratic republic is.

But you explained it so clearly.

Tell me Libertarian, why do you support strong executive power at the federal level?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Nice diversion from the fact that you don't understand what a democratic republic is.

Its a democracy plain and simple. We don't directly vote for the President and other issues since I'm not sure how people only talk about the EC that we aren't a democracy.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Its a democracy plain and simple. We don't directly vote for the President and other issues since I'm not sure how people only talk about the EC that we aren't a democracy.

When you breakdown every form of Government to the common denominators, you only have three.

Some people can't understand the difference between the mechanics of Representative selection, in Democracies, and in the two other forms of Government.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Exactly. One thing I've always wondered about people who push that we are Republic or Democratic Republic vs a democracy. Maybe its always been this way but I don't see how people can justify the tyranny of the minority we've seen especially since Obama. I mean its not even a "lets negotiate and meet halfway" this is "You give me everything I want or I will shut down the government.

 

[TrailerHitch]

LOL

https://languages.oup.com/google-dictionary-en/
de·moc·ra·cy
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
"capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

democracy​

noun​

a : government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

2 : a political unit that has a democratic government

3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.
from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy—C. M. Roberts


4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority

5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges


I could go on showing how you are wrong, kinda like the back and forth over the definition of an Assault Rifle, as defined by the US Army. But there is no sense, you wouldn't accept the US Army's deffinition, I fucking doubt you will accept the meaning given in every fucking Dictionary with the word "DEMOCRACY" in it.......*chuckles*

If a simplistic, yet incorrect answer appeases you then go for it. I won't waste another second attempting to educate you.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

If a simplistic, yet incorrect answer appeases you then go for it. I won't waste another second attempting to educate you.

My answer is 100% correct, and there is no way for you to refute it. Sorry Hitch.

But please try and "educate" me, that should be "entertaining"....lol

 

[TrailerHitch]

But you explained it so clearly.

Tell me Libertarian, why do you support strong executive power at the federal level?

Why do you extrapolate me telling you why you are wrong to me believing in strong centralized power? That's quite a reach even for someone like you. To be honest I would rather see more power given to the states and less to the centralized federal government.

 

[schism666]

trump voters are not serious people so how can they answer a serious question?