Biden partner Devon Archer testimony thread

[dkovic77]

Biden irritably denied discussing or knowing anything about Hunter’s business activities again and again. Until Devon Archer spoke.

Because he doesn’t think what he did was involve himself in his sons business. If his son used his dad without his knowledge and Joe is putting the pieces together… that is not a stretch.

You know EVERYTHING about your kids and their work? I don’t know everything and I talk daily. General things, yes. Would I say that I knew anything- most likely not.

Again, you need this … and Cheeto to go down for your Hitler boy to hope to pull us into the reich.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Good questions, here's some more. Did the Secret Service approve Jared Kushner's security clearance (or was it simply over-ruled by Trump), his access to intelligence relating to Saudi dissidents, his supplying of that intelligence to the Saudi royal family, his receipt of $2.7 billion in return?

Would Jared have had access to that information other than from his father-in-law? Is Saudi the country that gave us 9/11? Was an American journalist murdered as a result? Is there an ongoing investigation of that or don't we have a weaponized justice system after all?

More whataboutism. I’m fine with Jared being investigated. He had an active role in Middle East diplomacy during the Trump administration and launched a private equity firm that received $2 billion from Saudis about 6 months after Biden moved in. By all means, Biden’s DOJ should investigate as Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen has called for. If they find any new revelations, you can start a thread to discuss it rather than trolling this one to deflect from the Devon Archer revelations about President Biden.

Some investigative work has been done and some is currently underway. The Democratic controlled House investigated Jared’s activities for six months before it flipped to the GOP. It’s currently under investigation by a committee headed by Senator Ron Wyden in the Democratic controlled Senate. There’s nothing stopping Biden’s DOJ from investigating either. Are they?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Because he doesn’t think what he did was involve himself in his sons business. If his son used his dad without his knowledge and Joe is putting the pieces together… that is not a stretch.

You know EVERYTHING about your kids and their work? I don’t know everything and I talk daily. General things, yes. Would I say that I knew anything- most likely not.

Again, you need this … and Cheeto to go down for your Hitler boy to hope to pull us into the reich.

You’ve picked up the revised talking points. It’s moved from “never discussed, no knowledge” to “wasn’t involved.” Nice.

Like Hunter, I talked to my dad regularly when he was alive. My job was a frequent subject of discussion. He was interested in my career and gave me valuable advice over the years. And like Joe, I now talk to my grown kids daily. I’m interested in their jobs and enjoy learning about what they’re doing and occasionally offering advice when they ask.

 

[dkovic77]

You’ve picked up the revised talking points. It’s moved from “never discussed, no knowledge” to “wasn’t involved.” Nice.

Like Hunter, I talked to my dad regularly when he was alive. My job was a frequent subject of discussion. He was interested in my career and gave me valuable advice over the years. And like Joe, I now talk to my grown kids daily. I’m interested in their jobs and enjoy learning about what they’re doing and occasionally offering advice when they ask.

No talking points here, I don’t get the “strategy memos” you seem to turn around here with glee.

He never said he didn’t talk his son, or his son’s accomplishments, just he didn’t have anything to do with his business.

Again, I’m sure the difference between people who are known and the rest. Joe is busy enough as it is with his work. Plus, if those high level business meetings didn’t happen in Scranton, he doesn’t put the same level of commitment to the tick-tock. Any of those business guys have great Scranton sounding names? Joe loves those!

But sure, you have a guy who has his hands in everything in Florida but when actual criticism shows up says “oh I wasn’t involved”. Bring your same skepticism to your Nazi leader and we can talk. You are too eager to toss the Cheeto under the bus, do the same with Ronnie.

 

[Bray123]

If they find any new revelations, you can start a thread to discuss it rather than trolling this one to deflect from the Devon Archer revelations about President Biden.

There are no revelations.
The Republicans trooped out from the deposition and complained that there was no evidence of corruption. They'd all wasted their time; they could have been searching the forests for space lasers with Empty Gene instead.

So Biden talks to his son. Stop the press!
The whole thing is a whataboutism to distract from the revelations that Fat Donnie is a treasonous fraudster.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

No talking points here, I don’t get the “strategy memos” you seem to turn around here with glee.

He never said he didn’t talk his son, or his son’s accomplishments, just he didn’t have anything to do with his business.

Again, I’m sure the difference between people who are known and the rest. Joe is busy enough as it is with his work. Plus, if those high level business meetings didn’t happen in Scranton, he doesn’t put the same level of commitment to the tick-tock. Any of those business guys have great Scranton sounding names? Joe loves those!

But sure, you have a guy who has his hands in everything in Florida but when actual criticism shows up says “oh I wasn’t involved”. Bring your same skepticism to your Nazi leader and we can talk. You are too eager to toss the Cheeto under the bus, do the same with Ronnie.

Before:
"First of all, I have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with their business, period.”
7/2019

"I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings”
8/2019

“I don’t discuss business with my son”
10/2019

After:
The president was never in business with his son. I just don't have anything else to add”
WH Press Secretary KJP, 7/2023

 

[dkovic77]

Before:
"First of all, I have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with their business, period.”
7/2019

"I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings”
8/2019

“I don’t discuss business with my son”
10/2019

After:
The president was never in business with his son. I just don't have anything else to add”
WH Press Secretary KJP, 7/2023

Yes.. and it’s all so damming.

Those that coordinated and stormed the capitol, now those are folks who talked “business”. They were counting on the Cheeto to step in and really help but secret service vetoed that.

Your fun list of quotes there still says, Joe isn’t involved. You can try to paint him as Sgt. Schultz all you want- but you and your Nazi friends have your plans (that Ronnie’s campaign let get out) to bring back to power the reich. So please tell us more about the father/son dynamic and how we need to pay full attention to that and not the little man behind the curtain hiding his transportation details so there is no oversight on origins of the money. It’s all solid red/white money. Trips to Israel can’t hide that.

 

[Comshaw]

20+ phone calls and in person meetings. Do you really think Joe met these foreign business associates again and again without knowing what Hunter was doing and why his presence was requested?

And all I'll say is: do you have proof Joe was involved in Hunter's business? Any AT ALL? Again, it doesn't matter what you or I think, it's what can be proven. And so far the committee has proven nothing that they have claimed happened, happened. I have no problem holding anyone accountable no matter their political affiliations. I do have a BIG problem with using accusations as fact and hanging someone on the strength of those accusations.

Comshaw

 

[HisArpy]

Shouting 'Fire' is OK if there is a fire.
If there isn't and people get hurt you're going to jail.

That doesn't mean that you're protected from shouting it.

Thus we get to the meatless part of the indictment. Trump lied. His lies were legendary and it's not like people didn't know he lies because there's a website devoted to listing his thousands of lies.

And yet somehow his J6 lies were "shocking" and "a threat to democracy."

What we have here is a case without a crime. Trump has a right to lie. He is not immune from the consequences, nor have I ever said he wasn't, but the lie must lead to a criminal offense before it can be punished. There is no criminal offense here because the lies didn't cause any offense. Why? Because WE THE PEOPLE have a RIGHT to criticize our government, even if that criticism is a lie. You cannot impede that right by making such criticism a crime because it is the impediment itself which would be unlawful.

Thus, if there's a crime here, it's being done by the DOJ and Jack Smith. That also includes you along with everyone else who thinks like you.

 

[HisArpy]

And all I'll say is: do you have proof Joe was involved in Hunter's business? Any AT ALL? Again, it doesn't matter what you or I think, it's what can be proven. And so far the committee has proven nothing that they have claimed happened, happened. I have no problem holding anyone accountable no matter their political affiliations. I do have a BIG problem with using accusations as fact and hanging someone on the strength of those accusations.

Comshaw

Per Devon Archer's testimony, Joe Biden had dinner on multiple occasions with Hunter and Hunter's business partners.

Why?

Do you have dinner with other people while they discuss business and yet not be part of their business? On multiple occasions?

 

[Bray123]

So there were no-crimes committed on Jan 6. Funny how people have gone to prison for no-crimes.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

And all I'll say is: do you have proof Joe was involved in Hunter's business? Any AT ALL? Again, it doesn't matter what you or I think, it's what can be proven. And so far the committee has proven nothing that they have claimed happened, happened. I have no problem holding anyone accountable no matter their political affiliations. I do have a BIG problem with using accusations as fact and hanging someone on the strength of those accusations.

Comshaw

Let’s not move the goalpost. Biden has adamantly claimed he never discussed Hunter’s business activities and had no knowledge of it. The evidence that Joe Biden has been lying about that is so overwhelming that the WH is no longer even denying it. They have move the goalposts from “never discussed/no knowledge” to “not involved.” Major media outlets including the left-leaning NYT have now conceded Biden wasn’t truthful.

The evidence that Joe Biden met Hunter’s foreign partners from Ukraine and China over the phone and in person is so overwhelming that even Biden’s staunchest defender on the Hill, Dan Goldman, has conceded that. He’s spinning it as discussions about the weather.

As Archer explained, it’s “categorically false” that Joe Biden had no role in his son’s business or knowledge of it: “He was aware of Hunter’s business. He met with Hunter’s business partners.”

Bottom line: He knew what Hunter was doing and he enabled it by participating in meetings. He was “the brand.”

 

[Rightguide]

Those interested can read Devon Archer's testimony here:
https://www.scribd.com/document/662805193/Devon-Archer-Transcript#from_embed

 

[Comshaw]

Let’s not move the goalpost. Biden has adamantly claimed he never discussed Hunter’s business activities and had no knowledge of it. The evidence that Joe Biden has been lying about that is so overwhelming that the WH is no longer even denying it. They have move the goalposts from “never discussed/no knowledge” to “not involved.” Major media outlets including the left-leaning NYT have now conceded Biden wasn’t truthful.

The evidence that Joe Biden met Hunter’s foreign partners from Ukraine and China over the phone and in person is so overwhelming that even Biden’s staunchest defender on the Hill, Dan Goldman, has conceded that. He’s spinning it as discussions about the weather.

As Archer explained, it’s “categorically false” that Joe Biden had no role in his son’s business or knowledge of it: “He was aware of Hunter’s business. He met with Hunter’s business partners.”

Bottom line: He knew what Hunter was doing and he enabled it by participating in meetings. He was “the brand.”

More accusations with no proof. You are going to fall back on an OPINION from Archer that Joe knew about and had a role in Hunter's business? And BTW that opinion WASN'T voiced in the locked-door under-oath interview with the committee. It was from interviews before or later (10 to 1 it was from the interview with disgraced wannabe news person Carlson), so putting credence to that opinion from Archer is ludicrous.

As far as moving the goalposts, they never quit claiming he "never discussed/no knowledge" of Hunter's business, they just added the "not involved" part for those who weren't listening very well. And it wouldn't matter if he did know about it. That isn't anywhere near proving he was involved or derived a benefit from Hunter's business. All it really did was fuel more speculation. This, like every accusation bought forward so far has yet to be proven. Again we go back to proof, solid, indisputable, irrefutable proof. There is none. All you've done in your post is yet again tried to use accusations, innuendos as proof.

I had an acquaintance who was arrested for dealing drugs. We talked on the phone occasionally about innocuous things: the class reunion, how our families were doing, that kind of thing. Using your criteria I should have been arrested and charged right along with him for drug dealing even though I wasn't any part of it, or knew anything about it.

Proof, not speculation. Proof, not accusation. Proof, not theories. Those are all good things to start an investigation. They aren't worth a hill of beans to convict someone of a crime though. P-R-O-O-F! Show it and I'll pull my pitchfork out of the closet and join you in calling for Joe's head.

Comshaw

 

[HisArpy]

So there were no-crimes committed on Jan 6. Funny how people have gone to prison for no-crimes.

No one said this.

 

[HisArpy]

More accusations with no proof. You are going to fall back on an OPINION from Archer that Joe knew about and had a role in Hunter's business? And BTW that opinion WASN'T voiced in the locked-door under-oath interview with the committee. It was from interviews before or later (10 to 1 it was from the interview with disgraced wannabe news person Carlson), so putting credence to that opinion from Archer is ludicrous.

It's called "testimony" not "opinion."

You have the priviledge of disbelieving it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As far as moving the goalposts, they never quit claiming he "never discussed/no knowledge" of Hunter's business, they just added the "not involved" part for those who weren't listening very well. And it wouldn't matter if he did know about it. That isn't anywhere near proving he was involved or derived a benefit from Hunter's business. All it really did was fuel more speculation. This, like every accusation bought forward so far has yet to be proven. Again we go back to proof, solid, indisputable, irrefutable proof. There is none. All you've done in your post is yet again tried to use accusations, innuendos as proof.

This doesn't line up with the current facts or talking points, the WH has indeed gone from "never" to "knew, but wasn't part of."

I had an acquaintance who was arrested for dealing drugs. We talked on the phone occasionally about innocuous things: the class reunion, how our families were doing, that kind of thing. Using your criteria I should have been arrested and charged right along with him for drug dealing even though I wasn't any part of it, or knew anything about it.

Great, wanna bet the cops didn't look at your phone records while they were investigating to see if the could nab any other fish? That you weren't looked at any further only shows that there wasn't anything they could find in your calls or lifestyle to connect you with his acts.

Unfortunately for Joey boy, there are bank records and phone records and now testimony.

Proof, not speculation. Proof, not accusation. Proof, not theories. Those are all good things to start an investigation. They aren't worth a hill of beans to convict someone of a crime though. P-R-O-O-F! Show it and I'll pull my pitchfork out of the closet and join you in calling for Joe's head.

Comshaw

Proof exists. It's not solid enough yet for a conviction, but the proof exists.

What's obvious is that you're behind the current news stream and that you voluntarily choose to disbelieve what has been and is currently being uncovered. The scheme existed, the people involved are known. All we need are better connections between them and Joe. We have the money connection, what we need now is something which shows that Joe acted because he was given the money.

That's going to be difficult given how sophisticated the principal parties involved are.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Joe couldn’t possibly have known about Hunter’s business activities

https://twitter.com/x/status/1687091976410107904

 

[Bray123]

No one said this.

What we have here is a case without a crime. Trump has a right to lie. He is not immune from the consequences, nor have I ever said he wasn't, but the lie must lead to a criminal offense before it can be punished. There is no criminal offense here because the lies didn't cause any offense.

 

[HisArpy]

What we have here is a case without a crime. Trump has a right to lie. He is not immune from the consequences, nor have I ever said he wasn't, but the lie must lead to a criminal offense before it can be punished. There is no criminal offense here because the lies didn't cause any offense.

Umm, yeah, okay...

Exactly where in there is me saying, and I quote you here to be exact;

So there were no-crimes committed on Jan 6. Funny how people have gone to prison for no-crimes.

because I can't see where I said that.

What I did say is that what you're accusing Trump of doing isn't a crime. Not that no crimes were committed. After all, several people have been convicted of parading without a permit on J6.

Unfortunately for you, Trump wasn't one of them.

 

[Bray123]

Umm, yeah, okay...

Exactly where in there is me saying, and I quote you here to be exact;



because I can't see where I said that.

What I did say is that what you're accusing Trump of doing isn't a crime. Not that no crimes were committed. After all, several people have been convicted of parading without a permit on J6.

Unfortunately for you, Trump wasn't one of them.

He just told them to do it. They were only following orders, what a bunch of schmucks.

 

[Lazaran]

•
Okay, now that I have read the entire transcript of Devon Archer’s testimony, I can declare unequivocally that Joe Biden is an even more decent and honest man thanI had originally believed.

I can also declare unequivocally that Hunter Biden actually was eminently qualified for his original position at Burisma AND his subsequent elevation to a member of the Burisma Board.

Devon Archer’s testimony also portrays both Biden’s as very idealistic and sympathetic characters, with Hunter only really losing his way after the sickness and death of his brother Beau. Having earlier experienced the death of his wife and daughters in Joe’s case, and his mother and sisters in Hunter’s, the death of Beau was obviously quite challenging for that family.

I am glad that both Bidens have recovered from those difficult events and are now focused on making the country and their close relationship even stronger.





Side note:

I highly recommend that everybody read the entire transcript.

Judge for yourself,

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Archer did a great job of explaining the power of the Biden brand. The marketing folks at Anheuser Bush might want to consider putting the president on a beer can as they try to salvage the BudLite brand.

One of the highlights of the Archer transcript is the part where he talks about a letter he received from the guy who has been adamantly claiming to have no knowledge of Hunter’s business activities. The letter was written on official vice presidential stationary saying how “happy” he was that Archer was in business with his son. The letter was written right after a lunch the Vice President and Archer attended with visiting Chinese President Hu Jintao. Archer has released the letter in case anyone needs proof of its existence or authenticity.

The part where Archer explained how Hunter received $142,300 from Kazakh oligarch Kenes Rakishev to buy an “expensive car”—either a Fisker or a Porsche was also fascinating. Rakishev was one of the cats at a spring 2014 business dinner at Washington’s Cafe Milano that included Hunter, the Vice President, and Elena Baturina, the wife of Moscow’s mayor who wired $3.5 million to a company linked to Mr. Archer.

 

[Lazaran]

•
BabyBoobs reaaaaally doesn’t want people to read the entire transcript of Devin Archer’s “testimony.”



No one should accept anything BabyBoobs says. The entire transcript of Devon Archer’s “testimony” is readily available for anyone who wants to make up their own mind.

Full transcript here:

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf

Again, read it and make up your own mind.





Side note:

Take another L BabyBoobs.



BabyBoobs

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

•
BabyBoobs reaaaaally doesn’t want people to read the entire transcript of Devin Archer’s “testimony.”



No one should accept anything BabyBoobs says. The entire transcript of Devon Archer’s “testimony” is readily available for anyone who wants to make up their own mind.

Full transcript here:

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf

Again, read it and make up your own mind.





Side note:

Take another L BabyBoobs.



BabyBoobs

We agree. Everyone should read it.

 

[Raazor]

So, in summary. Joe Biden attended a dinner or two, and Trump attempted a coup.

And the righties are ‘upset’ over Biden. If the righties didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any standards at all.