Biden partner Devon Archer testimony thread

[icanhelp1]

Of course it’s a huge step towards implicating Hunter for a violation of FARA. In its admission that Hunter’s attorneys were wrong in their belief that Hunter was immune from future prosecution last week, the DOJ said the investigation into the president’s son is ongoing. The judge actually cited FARA as an example in her questioning.

Trump has told and continues to tell lies to the public often. Lying to the public is not a crime.

Lying under oath to law enforcement, a grand jury, or Congress is a felony. Clinton was impeached and disbarred for it. If he hadn’t been president, he could have have been charged and become a convicted felon. It’s one of the more serious charges Trump is facing in the documents case.

Biden didn’t lie under oath about the laptop or his knowledge of Hunter’s business shenanigans. He just lied to reporters and the public at large about. Now he’s been flagged for it.

Both men carry stains of dishonesty and corruption into the 2024 election. Voters will be the jury. The polls show a dead heat right now. The polls also show voters are dissatisfied with the choice they might have to make.

Kind of brings ya back to 2016, hold your nose and vote.

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs George Kent testified before the impeachment comm that Hunter Biden’s employment with Burisma was a conflict of interest for the Obama administration.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

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No, BabyBoobs, an ACTUAL JURY is going to decide the rapey, racist, misogynistic, corrupt orange traitor’s fate over the criminal acts the orange POS committed.

See also: E. Jean Carroll.

Hope that ^ helps.



BabyBoobs

Didn’t say Trump won’t be going to trial. Even mentioned that his lying to the FBI and obstruction in the documents case is particularly serious. Both men are tainted in the eyes of voters and if current polls hold up, will win their respective primary races and face each other in the national election. We the voters will be the jury in that trial. Latest poll has them tied at 43% each.

 

[Comshaw]

To be clear, I’ve railed on President Biden for enabling his son to be paid millions from corrupt Ukrainian and hostile Chinese foreign nationals for no reason other than his relationship to the Vice President of the United States. I’ve railed on President Biden for vigorously and repeatedly lying about it to the American people, and more recently I’ve called attention to the president’s revised story in the aftermath of Devon Archer’s interview. I’ve also railed on Biden for his treatment of his granddaughter, but have noted that public blowback has caused him to begin making amends for that.

And you have proof Joe "enabled" his son to get millions from Ukrainian and Chinese businesses? Funny I thought that's exactly what the committee was trying to prove and failing miserably to do.

I’ve also railed on Biden for his treatment of his granddaughter

Yes, you have. But it's not for the way he was treating her. The only thing Joe and his wife did was remain silent about the girl and the proceedings with Hunter. Anyone with a modicum of grey matter could see the reason they did was not to interfere with the court case. I'm sure that it didn't escape your notice but it was conveniently ignored.

Another thing about that is for years children of politicians were a forbidden subject when it came to political rhetoric. That has changed apparently. It says much about the character of those bringing children into a political argument FOR ANY REASON.

Comshaw

 

[Lazaran]

And you have proof Joe "enabled" his son to get millions from Ukrainian and Chinese businesses? Funny I thought that's exactly what the committee was trying to prove and failing miserably to do.

Yes, you have. But it's not for the way he was treating her. The only thing Joe and his wife did was remain silent about the girl and the proceedings with Hunter. Anyone with a modicum of grey matter could see the reason they did was not to interfere with the court case. I'm sure that it didn't escape your notice but it was conveniently ignored.

Another thing about that is for years children of politicians were a forbidden subject when it came to political rhetoric. That has changed apparently. It says much about the character of those bringing children into a political argument FOR ANY REASON.

Comshaw

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I commend you for your patience and civility when dealing with an obviously disingenuous and intellectually dishonest POS like BabyBoobs.

I don’t suffer liars, fools and traitors like BabyBoobs longer than the time it takes for them to reveal themselves as such.

*nods*

 

[Philthy_Phil]

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Hole. E. Fuck.

Harpy is having ANOTHER epic MELTDOWN.

It never stops.

 

[Comshaw]

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I commend you for your patience and civility when dealing with an obviously disingenuous and intellectually dishonest POS like BabyBoobs.

I don’t suffer liars, fools and traitors like BabyBoobs longer than the time it takes for them to reveal themselves as such.

*nods*

To paraphrase a quote:
I will permit no man, no matter who they might be, to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him.

Booker T. Washington

Comshaw

 

[Lazaran]

To paraphrase a quote:
I will permit no man, no matter who they might be, to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him.

Booker T. Washington

Comshaw

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God did a lot worse than “hate”, let alone merely heap scorn and derision upon evils fucks.

*nods*

 

[Fuzzy1975]

That’s a good point, actually! I am not informed on it. What deals and for who’s benefit?

Look up the China trademarks granted to Ivanka's companies for starters. Easy search.

 

[dkovic77]

Joe repeatedly insisted he knew nothing about Hunter’s business activities and never discussed business with his son. That was always a laughable line. Now we hear that Hunter got dad on the speaker phone 20+ times as well some in person meetings with his foreign business associates. It’s called influence peddling.

You and I both know Joe isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he’d have to be in a coma to not be aware of the money Hunter and other family members were getting paid, and why Hunter was getting him in front of these people again and again. It wasn’t for Joe’s weather reports. Joe knew full well what his son was doing. The concerns were even raised with Obama by senior staff while Joe served as his point person for Ukraine and Hunter served on the Burisma board as an influence provider.

The lie has been exposed which is why Biden and his apologists have suddenly changed the story.

I’m on speaker phone EVERY time I talk to my parents. If there is someone else in the room, I don’t know it.

20+ times seems like a whole lot, until you realize they talk almost EVERY on the phone. Then, does Joe even know who is on the other side? It’s not face time.

Again, try harder.

Give us an aide in the room with Joe who overheard him talk business.

Did Hunter sell the idea he could give folks access? Sure sounds like it.

Have you come anywhere close to Joe participating in conversations? Anything aside listening to casual conversations? Nope and you’re a dope. (See look everyone can use rhyming words)

 

[Comshaw]

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God did a lot worse than “hate”, let alone merely heap scorn and derision upon evils fucks.

*nods*

For those who believe in a magic man in the sky. I don't. I refuse to let anyone live in my head or fill my heart with their presence when they are only a side note to my life. Ain't gunna happen.

Comshaw

 

[Lazaran]

For those who believe in a magic man in the sky. I don't. I refuse to let anyone live in my head or fill my heart with their presence when they are only a side note to my life. Ain't gunna happen.

Comshaw

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Yeah, I don’t believe in “God” either.



And BabyBoobs doesn’t “live in my head”.

The loathing of evil and lies does “live in my head.”

BabyBoobs and other right-wing sociopathic fascists are a manifestation of evil and lies. Hence they attract / demand scorn and derision (and more if necessary) from decent, intelligent, sane human beings.



Oddly enough, you are heaping scorn and derision on BabyBoobs in your own, admittedly less confrontational and caustic manner. And I expect you would do more if a truly authoritarian regime attempted / attempts (quite likely already happened/ happening) to establish itself here in the United States.

 

[Comshaw]

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Yeah, I don’t believe in “God” either.



And BabyBoobs doesn’t “live in my head”.

The loathing of evil and lies does “live in my head.”

BabyBoobs and other right-wing sociopathic fascists are a manifestation of evil and lies. Hence they attract / demand scorn and derision (and more if necessary) from decent, intelligent, sane human beings.



Oddly enough, you are heaping scorn and derision on BabyBoobs in your own, admittedly less confrontational and caustic manner. And I expect you would do more if a truly authoritarian regime attempted / attempts (quite likely already happened/ happening) to establish itself here in the United States.

Perhaps, but that is an unintended consequence of rolling hard facts into the path of manufactured and wholly fanciful accusations. And no I wouldn't do more of the scorn and derision if a truly authoritarian regime attempts to establish themselves into our government. That isn't my MO. I fought a war and I never hated those on the other side. But that lack of hate didn't keep me from doing what was necessary.

"Be nice, until it's time not to be nice." Dalton

For me, that time only comes when all other avenues have been exhausted.

Comshaw

 

[Lazaran]

Perhaps, but that is an unintended consequence of rolling hard facts into the path of manufactured and wholly fanciful accusations. And no I wouldn't do more of the scorn and derision if a truly authoritarian regime attempts to establish themselves into our government. That isn't my MO. I fought a war and I never hated those on the other side. But that lack of hate didn't keep me from doing what was necessary.

"Be nice, until it's time not to be nice." Dalton

For me, that time only comes when all other avenues have been exhausted.

Comshaw

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Perhaps I wasn’t being clear enough with my words?

The “more” was not referring to “more scorn and derision”.

It was actually more along the lines you were traveling.

And I didn’t fight in a war, but I did engage in psychological AND hand to hand “combat” with criminally insane sociopaths and psychopaths on a near daily basis for maaaaany years as a senior staff member of a forensic psyche facility. I know when to talk and when to use force. “The Use of force continuum” is an actual thing we constantly trained in.

That ^ experience also taught me you can seldom reason or compromise with a sociopath / psychopath. They are constantly testing for weaknesses to exploit, and they “debate” / “negotiate” / “communicate” - just like “our friend” BabyBoobs and the other right-wing crazies. Holding up a mirror to their evil and lies by repeating / reflecting their own words and behavior back at them was usually the only way to get their “attention” / “respect” / “cooperation”. Hence my exaggeratedly harsh and insensitive level of discourse when addressing the right-wing crazies. Modeling the MAGAt’s attitude of “Fuck you snowflake” / “Fuck your feelings” / “it’s just locker room talk” / “grabbing a woman by the pussy is no big deal” / “Mexicans are rapists and murderers” / “blue states : cities are shitholes” etc, etc, seems to result in them “not liking it” and attempting to be more “civil”.

Of course, instead of truly changing their sociopathic / psychopathic ways, the right-wing crazies like BabyBoobs are increasingly engaging in “polite” gaslighting and trolling. (using a child as a political football, etc)

And, fairly recently, SOME of the right-wing crazies have been inclined to be SOMEWHAT content / satisfied on SOME level. THOSE right-wing sociopaths are less angrily combative but more tauntingly provocative: With the SCOTUS firmly in the pocket of the right-wing sociopaths, they have SOME motivation to be a bit more low keyed … for now.

Myself, NOT being content / satisfied with the corrupt right-wing SCOTUS , the right-wing’s abandonment of the rule of law and the constitution, and the attempt to install / re-install an authoritarian government, I will resist in whatever way is called for.

The right-wing crazies need to know that this IS me, (and many others like me) being reasonable.

I hope I never have to get truly unreasonable.

*nods*

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

And you have proof Joe "enabled" his son to get millions from Ukrainian and Chinese businesses? Funny I thought that's exactly what the committee was trying to prove and failing miserably to do.

Yes, you have. But it's not for the way he was treating her. The only thing Joe and his wife did was remain silent about the girl and the proceedings with Hunter. Anyone with a modicum of grey matter could see the reason they did was not to interfere with the court case. I'm sure that it didn't escape your notice but it was conveniently ignored.

Another thing about that is for years children of politicians were a forbidden subject when it came to political rhetoric. That has changed apparently. It says much about the character of those bringing children into a political argument FOR ANY REASON.

Comshaw

20+ phone calls and in person meetings. Do you really think Joe met these foreign business associates again and again without knowing what Hunter was doing and why his presence was requested?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I’m on speaker phone EVERY time I talk to my parents. If there is someone else in the room, I don’t know it.

20+ times seems like a whole lot, until you realize they talk almost EVERY on the phone. Then, does Joe even know who is on the other side? It’s not face time.

Again, try harder.

Give us an aide in the room with Joe who overheard him talk business.

Did Hunter sell the idea he could give folks access? Sure sounds like it.

Have you come anywhere close to Joe participating in conversations? Anything aside listening to casual conversations? Nope and you’re a dope. (See look everyone can use rhyming words)

Oh please. You don’t purposely get the Vice President of the United States on a speaker phone or to meet in person with foreign business partners who hired you for no other reason than the fact that your dad is VP. And the VP didn’t join these meetings with no idea of what Hunter was doing. They knew damn well what they were doing and so do you.

 

[dkovic77]

20+ phone calls and in person meetings. Do you really think Joe met these foreign business associates again and again without knowing what Hunter was doing and why his presence was requested?

So this “family” you claim to have…. Guess you don’t interact with them.

Who is on the other side of a speaker phone, you never know when someone is at work.

But yes, we get it. You need something to be there. Hoping it can clear the way for your Hitler wanna be little man.

You a short guy too?

 

[dkovic77]

Oh please. You don’t purposely get the Vice President of the United States on a speaker phone or to meet in person with foreign business partners who hired you for no other reason than the fact that your dad is VP. And the VP didn’t join these meetings with no idea of what Hunter was doing. They knew damn well what they were doing and so do you.

Politicians are so used to being in all kinds of rooms, in all kinds of small talk.

If my dad is vice President, and we talk and have a close family…. Not a surprise. I guess you missed the part where he went home from DC nightly.

Find another topic to get hard over.

 

[icanhelp1]

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Perhaps I wasn’t being clear enough with my words?

The “more” was not referring to “more scorn and derision”.

It was actually more along the lines you were traveling.

And I didn’t fight in a war, but I did engage in psychological AND hand to hand “combat” with criminally insane sociopaths and psychopaths on a near daily basis for maaaaany years as a senior staff member of a forensic psyche facility. I know when to talk and when to use force. “The Use of force continuum” is an actual thing we constantly trained in.

That ^ experience also taught me you can seldom reason or compromise with a sociopath / psychopath. They are constantly testing for weaknesses to exploit, and they “debate” / “negotiate” / “communicate” - just like “our friend” BabyBoobs and the other right-wing crazies. Holding up a mirror to their evil and lies by repeating / reflecting their own words and behavior back at them was usually the only was to get their “attention” / “respect” / “cooperation”. Hence my exaggeratedly harsh and insensitive level of discourse when addressing the right-wing crazies. Giving the MAGAts back their attitude of “Fuck you snowflake” / “Fuck your feelings” / “it’s just locker room talk” / “grabbing a woman by the pussy is no big deal” / “Mexicans are rapists and murderers” / “blue states : cities are shitholes” etc, etc, seems to result in them “not liking it” and attempting to be more “civil”.

Of course, instead of truly changing their sociopathic / psychopathic ways, the right-wings crazies like BabyBoobs are increasingly engaging in “polite” gaslighting and trolling. (using a child as a political football, etc)

And, recently, SOME of the right-wing crazies have been inclined to be SOMEWHAT content / satisfied on SOME level, and less angrily combative but more tauntingly provocative: With the SCOTUS firmly in the pocket of the right-wing sociopaths, they have SOME motivation to be a bit more low keyed … for now.

Myself, NOT being content / satisfied with the corrupt right-wing SCOTUS , the right-wing’s abandonment of the rule of law and the constitution, and the attempt to install / re-install an authoritarian government, I will resist in whatever way is called for.

The right-wing crazies need to know that this IS me, (and many others like me) being reasonable.

I hope I never have to get truly unreasonable.

*nods*

Looks to me that you should be a patient in your own ward. It’s obvious you suffer from excessive right wing paranoia. You act more like an attack dog filled with hatred than a thinker.

 

[dkovic77]

Looks to me that you should be a patient in your own ward. It’s obvious you suffer from excessive right wing paranoia. You act more like an attack dog filled with hatred than a thinker.

Look, it’s the other little man. Always so wrong in your insight.

Having to look up to most people your whole life, takes a toll didn’t it?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Look up the China trademarks granted to Ivanka's companies for starters. Easy search.

Ok, I’ll play along with the whataboutism game.

Here’s the AP story. Unlike Hunter, Ivanka Trump ran a business selling actual products. She had a global brand, applied for trademarks in China, and was granted them faster than other applications she submitted before her dad became president.

Was there a carrot or stick attached to the applications? What, if any, is the value of those trademarks? (The article says “The approvals came three months after Ivanka Trump announced she was dissolving her namesake brand to focus on government work.”). Did WH attorneys review the applications before submission for potential ethics violations?

Those are fair questions. I have no problem with those questions being investigated. Perhaps they have been. I haven’t heard of any charges being pursued or congressional investigations. Democrats took control of the House in 2018 and held it for 4 years. If they had cause to believe a law was violated they certainly could have launched an investigation. Biden has been in office two and a half years. There’s nothing that’s been stopping his DOJ from investigating.



https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Politicians are so used to being in all kinds of rooms, in all kinds of small talk.

If my dad is vice President, and we talk and have a close family…. Not a surprise. I guess you missed the part where he went home from DC nightly.

Find another topic to get hard over.

I’m not going to change your mind.

Kinda strange that he talks to his dad every night, traveled with his dad to China on Air Force 2, yet the dad repeatedly insisted they’ve never discussed his business. Do you ever talk about your work with your parents? If you do, would they deny it if they were asked?

Even more weird that he pulls his dad into meetings with his Ukrainian and Chinese business associates just to exchange “niceties” and discuss the weather. Is your dad in a powerful position that could impact the business you’re in, and do you often get your dad on the speaker phone with colleagues when you’re at work?

 

[dkovic77]

I’m not going to change your mind.

Kinda strange that he talks to his dad every night, traveled with his dad to China on Air Force 2, yet the dad repeatedly insisted they’ve never discussed his business. Do you ever talk about your work with your parents? If you do, would they deny it if they were asked?

Even more weird that he pulls his dad into meetings with his Ukrainian and Chinese business associates just to exchange “niceties” and discuss the weather. Is your dad in a powerful position that could impact the business you’re in, and do you often get your dad on the speaker phone with colleagues when you’re at work?

Oh my goodness. Now that you say it, my dad has secretly been pulling all the strings with my professional life and I didn’t even know it….

Not on the sarcasm front, I do talk with my parents about my work and they wouldn’t deny they have talked with me about things. However, it sounds like Hunter might exchange some generalizations but with the position his dad does have, Joe can’t involve himself too deeply.

But you sure do enjoy trying to connect those dots, so eager for a ‘pub win after sooooooo many losses.

 

[Bray123]

Ok, I’ll play along with the whataboutism game.

Here’s the AP story. Unlike Hunter, Ivanka Trump ran a business selling actual products. She had a global brand, applied for trademarks in China, and was granted them faster than other applications she submitted before her dad became president.

Was there a carrot or stick attached to the applications? What, if any, is the value of those trademarks? (The article says “The approvals came three months after Ivanka Trump announced she was dissolving her namesake brand to focus on government work.”). Did WH attorneys review the applications before submission for potential ethics violations?

Those are fair questions. I have no problem with those questions being investigated. Perhaps they have been. I haven’t heard of any charges being pursued or congressional investigations. Democrats took control of the House in 2018 and held it for 4 years. If they had cause to believe a law was violated they certainly could have launched an investigation. Biden has been in office two and a half years. There’s nothing that’s been stopping his DOJ from investigating.



https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727

Good questions, here's some more. Did the Secret Service approve Jared Kushner's security clearance (or was it simply over-ruled by Trump), his access to intelligence relating to Saudi dissidents, his supplying of that intelligence to the Saudi royal family, his receipt of $2.7 billion in return?

Would Jared have had access to that information other than from his father-in-law? Is Saudi the country that gave us 9/11? Was an American journalist murdered as a result? Is there an ongoing investigation of that or don't we have a weaponized justice system after all?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Oh my goodness. Now that you say it, my dad has secretly been pulling all the strings with my professional life and I didn’t even know it….

Not on the sarcasm front, I do talk with my parents about my work and they wouldn’t deny they have talked with me about things. However, it sounds like Hunter might exchange some generalizations but with the position his dad does have, Joe can’t involve himself too deeply.

But you sure do enjoy trying to connect those dots, so eager for a ‘pub win after sooooooo many losses.

Biden irritably denied discussing or knowing anything about Hunter’s business activities again and again. Until Devon Archer spoke.

 

[icanhelp1]

Ok, I’ll play along with the whataboutism game.

Here’s the AP story. Unlike Hunter, Ivanka Trump ran a business selling actual products. She had a global brand, applied for trademarks in China, and was granted them faster than other applications she submitted before her dad became president.

Was there a carrot or stick attached to the applications? What, if any, is the value of those trademarks? (The article says “The approvals came three months after Ivanka Trump announced she was dissolving her namesake brand to focus on government work.”). Did WH attorneys review the applications before submission for potential ethics violations?

Those are fair questions. I have no problem with those questions being investigated. Perhaps they have been. I haven’t heard of any charges being pursued or congressional investigations. Democrats took control of the House in 2018 and held it for 4 years. If they had cause to believe a law was violated they certainly could have launched an investigation. Biden has been in office two and a half years. There’s nothing that’s been stopping his DOJ from investigating.



https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727

The democrat house was too busy with Trump impeachment proceedings.