Tulsi Becomes an Independent

[BabyBoomer50s]

She left the party. The party didn't pull a Cheney.

True. Tulsi’s intraparty feline aggression began about a year before she left Congress and she didn’t seek re-election like Liz did. The women do have at least one thing in common though. Both are destined for political obscurity. I suppose Tulsi will keep sniping at the Democratic Party and Liz will keep sniping at the GOP from the sidelines for a bit longer but eventually Fox News will decide Tulsi is no longer a ratings hook and CNN will decide the same about Liz.

 

[ll74]

True. Tulsi’s intraparty feline aggression began about a year before she left Congress and she didn’t seek re-election like Liz did. The women do have at least one thing in common though. Both are destined for political obscurity. I suppose Tulsi will keep sniping at the Democratic Party and Liz will keep sniping at the GOP from the sidelines for a bit longer but eventually Fox News will decide Tulsi is no longer a ratings hook and CNN will decide the same about Liz.

My comment was about the parties' amount of blame, not the reps' behavior

 

[Dribble]

I liked her anti war message so I wish her the best of luck in the party that gave us the iraq war and the 20 year long occupation of Afghanistan.

So...an Independent means Republican...wow...news to me. A Representative's duty is to their constituents...not a Party. If she can give more to those she represents by asking the Democrats to value her State...how is this bad? Or wrong?

 

[cubbyfire04]

The Tulsi Gabbard Show, premiering today. Amazing timing, that.

Ha! Saw that. Came back here to mention it...

 

[ll74]

She also was on Rogan's pod. Looks like her 2024 campaign has started

 

[Wrong Element]

As several people on this thread have noted, her voting record and policy positions are have aligned closely with mainstream Democratic positions. It was only after she eviscerated Kamala Harris on the debate stage that she fell out of grace with the Democratic Party establishment. Her persistent reminders on Fox News of Hillary Clinton’s history hasn’t endeared her to the party brass either.

She had been a vice chair of the DNC, which is not a position you achieve if you're thought of ahead of time as being a bombthrower. Her problems started when she began publicly criticizing DNC decisions, and then continuing to slam Hillary well after "party unity time" had commenced. Failing to support the party's nominee will generally cause one to "fall out of grace with the party establishment."

Nobody cared that she tangled with Kamala Harris in a debate. Lots of people were in that campaign, and lots of them went after Harris, including the person who eventually put her on the ticket. (If anything, Harris's inability to deal with a fairly predictable line of attack from a dunderhead like Gabbard was a warning sign of the problems she's had in unstructured settings.)

 

[cubbyfire04]

I

Modern campaigning in a nutshell.

Maybe, but are those people  winning elections? Maybe in some state and local elections...

In my estimation - if you want to win a seat in the Oval Office - you need to be a completely sociopathic, master manipulator, who's capable of brainwashing 51% of the people who believes their vote mattered.

The easier path is to make the other 49% hate you so much, that the majority forgoes respect for their own morals - not to mention their fellow Americans' differences of (but usually valid) opinions - and decides patriotism really means, "Fuck half of my own country!"

 

[Wrong Element]

So...an Independent means Republican...wow...news to me. A Representative's duty is to their constituents...not a Party. If she can give more to those she represents by asking the Democrats to value her State...how is this bad? Or wrong?

Independent does not mean Republican, but a self-described Independent who only ever criticizes Democrats is ... a IINO, I guess. Unless someone believes the Fox News Channel has a genuine interest in presenting independent points of view.

 

[ll74]

Independent does not mean Republican, but a self-described Independent who only ever criticizes Democrats is ... a IINO, I guess. Unless someone believes the Fox News Channel has a genuine interest in presenting independent points of view.

She's not going to support Republican policies or legislation most of the time.

 

[Wrong Element]

She's not going to support Republican policies or legislation most of the time.

We'll see, but really, what are "Republican policies" these days? It's all "I hate Democrats" and culture wars, and Tulsi is fine with both of those (see her message). Oh, and hating immigrants, which she's also on board with. And she wants to appease Putin, which is probably a majority position among Republicans at this point since it's what Trump wants.

They don't have a policy agenda. Trump was president for four years and couldn't do anything except cut taxes for the rich (again). They're very upfront about the campaign this fall being about nothing in particular.

 

[ll74]

We'll see, but really, what are "Republican policies" these days? It's all "I hate Democrats" and culture wars, and Tulsi is fine with both of those (see her message). Oh, and hating immigrants, which she's also on board with. And she wants to appease Putin, which is probably a majority position among Republicans at this point since it's what Trump wants.

They don't have a policy agenda. Trump was president for four years and couldn't do anything except cut taxes for the rich (again). They're very upfront about the campaign this fall being about nothing in particular.

So now you're just pivoting to something else. I don't care whether they have policies or not, since that's not what we're discussing. Gabbard is not a Republican...she's an independent. If she were a Republican, she would announce that she was and she would support their policies (whether they exist or not). She has done neither.

If it makes you feel good to call her one....more power to ya. But she's not.

 

[Chernosoth]

Will the blue weasels beg her to get back on the sinking ship after next month's losses? Will she tell them to eat shit and die?

I would still vote for her now over most of the dreck on my midterm ballot.

 

[lovecraft68]

I really like her. We need more independents, its the only way to fix the partisan joke we have now

 

[lovecraft68]

So now you're just pivoting to something else. I don't care whether they have policies or not, since that's not what we're discussing. Gabbard is not a Republican...she's an independent. If she were a Republican, she would announce that she was and she would support their policies (whether they exist or not). She has done neither.

If it makes you feel good to call her one....more power to ya. But she's not.

First, I agree with you.
Second, and I'm not being funny. Do you see what its like to deal with someone with GOP on the brain?
This is why her doing this is a good thing, people have become obsessed with one or the other and when you're one, you can never dare agree with or vote for the other....seeing she's no longer a democrat she has to be a Republican. Its maddening

 

[jaF0]

Cucker Tarlson in drag.

 

[ll74]

First, I agree with you.
Second, and I'm not being funny. Do you see what its like to deal with someone with GOP on the brain?
This is why her doing this is a good thing, people have become obsessed with one or the other and when you're one, you can never dare agree with or vote for the other....seeing she's no longer a democrat she has to be a Republican. Its maddening

It's not just the GOP. Political discussion has been a race to own the opposition. I do see it more on the right, but perhaps it's because I'm on the left. At least here, I know the characters well so I don't have to waste time on getting to my annoyance

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

I fucked her when she was still a Democrat.

 

[YDB95]

So...an Independent means Republican...wow...news to me.

Yeah, it usually does. In my experience most independents are really Republicans, they just think not officially joining the party somehow proves they're more open-minded and make all their decisions based on a clear-eyed look at the issues, unencumbered by partisanship, and if they always agree with the Republicans, well, it must be that the Republicans are always right because after all, they think so and they're not Republicans. (Is your head spinning yet?)

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Gabbi/ Ye 2024

 

[Wrong Element]

Yeah, it usually does. In my experience most independents are really Republicans, they just think not officially joining the party somehow proves they're more open-minded and make all their decisions based on a clear-eyed look at the issues, unencumbered by partisanship, and if they always agree with the Republicans, well, it must be that the Republicans are always right because after all, they think so and they're not Republicans. (Is your head spinning yet?)

See also: Lit "Libertarians," aka Republicans who like getting pegged once in a while.

 

[PaxNurgle]

I agree we do need more independent, free thinking candidates, not beholden to the ideological extremes of either party.
And I agree with SOME of her views; particularly her anti-war stance, but I balk at her thinly veiled racism and "Culture war" comments, which don't sit well with me.
Plus, she's beautiful.

 

[wallstreetguy]

Gabbard is a Russian Republican. Full Stop.

You are delusional. But keep up the good work. I am kind of enjoying the destruction of America's cities under your party's leadership.

 

[KeithD]

You are delusional. But keep up the good work. I am kind of enjoying the destruction of America's cities under your party's leadership.

Talk about delusion. Only your rabid partisanship makes cities any different from what they were ever before.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=5c046bebf75241d78dc59a5fc23a8eee

gabbard's aunt and others speak out about her ties to cult she was a part of, the Science of Identity, well-known for being radically homophobic and totally under thumb of guru (a white surfer dude who had these Hawaiians prostrating themselves before him)

“What I am concerned about is the control I know Chris Butler has over her, the influence he has over her ability to make decisions, decisions that could become law and impact a whole lot of people,” describing him as an abusive, misogynistic, homophobic, germophobic, narcissistic nightmare.

In a 2017 Medium post, a woman who has since left SIF described how she was taught that life was an “illusion”, and followers were instructed to only develop a relationship with Butler.

“We were in effect isolated from our parents who did their best to not love us as per his recommendation, and instead looked at him like a surrogate father/messiah figure.”

When Gabbard ran for president in 2020, virtually her entire campaign staff were members of the Science of Identity, Ms Sinavaiana Gabbard told The Independent.

 

[jaF0]

Plus, she's beautiful.

Check out the pockmarked acne scarred mess without all the pancake.