Florida and hurricanes

[ll74]

Honestly? The Link Between Climate Change and Hurricanes Is Complicated​

Hurricane Ian shows some symptoms of global warming. But saying anything beyond that is folly.


https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/09/climate-change-impact-hurricane-ian/671604/

More intense storms are occurring more frequently.

Whereas we used to have multiple hurricanes/typhoons per year, on average they were less intensive.

 

[oggbashan]

11% more rain during a hurricane is a hell of a lot of rain.

 

[phrodeau]

The increases in severity, precipitation and kinetic energy of hurricanes have been incremental in recent decades.

Decreases have been nonexistent.

 

[phrodeau]

I see what you mean. That’s a good point.

I’m glad we agree.

 

[ll74]

Since the 1980s, the hurricane record has shown a more active period in the North Atlantic Ocean. On average, there have been more storms, stronger hurricanes, and an increase in hurricanes that rapidly intensify. Thus far, most of these increases are from natural climate variations.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3184/...hurricane,are from natural climate variations.

 

[oggbashan]

Maybe 11 inches of rain now versus 10 inches 125 Years ago is cause for alarm for you.

I don’t share your view.

If that fell in an hour? 11 inches instead of 10 might make the difference between your house being flooded or not.

 

[RobDownSouth]

“A more active period” and “natural climate variations” are the key phrases in your post

Your nasa link is full of “may indicate” type phrases.

Nobody can make any definitive statements because storm frequency and size has shown routine random activity since 1851.

Politicians and funded interest groups have agendae.

But there is no discernable pattern. Just… Nature at work.

Try looking at the data in my link.

BoBo-class Deflection Noted Above.

*nods*

 

[oggbashan]

Interesting but:

1. Named hurricanes are meaningless. They might come to nothing or not reach land.

2. Almost all the strongest hurricanes have been since the second half of the twentieth century and into the 21st. There are very few from 1851 to 1900.

 

[oggbashan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_hurricane_records

You guys should try looking at the data.

I did look at the data. Named means nothing again. Strongest - again most in the late 20th and 21st century.

 

[iso36]

I did look at the data. Named means nothing again. Strongest - again most in the late 20th and 21st century.

The 10 most severe to make landfall in the USA have all happened since 1957.

As far as they know.

 

[ll74]

The 10 most severe to make landfall in the USA have all happened since 1957.

As far as they know.

Yes, there were several super secret severe hurricanes that nobody knows about.

 

[oggbashan]

Yes, there were several super secret severe hurricanes that nobody knows about.

Perhaps that is because they didn't make landfall and just dissipated in the wide Atlantic?

In 1960 I was traveling by liner across the Great Australian Bight when we encountered a storm. In those days there were no weather satellites and weather predictions for that area were useless.

The captain made the wrong decision and turned South towards Antarctica to avoid the storm. It gave me the opportunity to see the Southern Aurora, but the storm was worse, smashing the bridge windows.

Except for our ship, no one else reported the storm.

As an aside: I unexpectedly won the ship's table tennis competition despite not being a good table tennis player. because of the storm. The ship was pitching and rolling violently. Once hit, the ball would continue its trajectory even if the ship had risen or dropped many feet.

I was able to remain standing while my competitors sprawled on the deck...

 

[jaF0]

2. Almost all the strongest hurricanes have been since the second half of the twentieth century and into the 21st. There are very few from 1851 to 1900.

It's called technology ... radar, tracking, measurements, observations, flying into the center of the storms. There are not more storms. There are not stronger storms. There is better documentation of storms.

 

[oggbashan]

Ev

It's called technology ... radar, tracking, measurements, observations, flying into the center of the storms. There are not more storms. There are not stronger storms. There is better documentation of storms.

Even in the 19th century, meteorologists could measure the strength of storms that made landfall, and those are the ones that matter.

 

[iso36]

Ev

Even in the 19th century, meteorologists could measure the strength of storms that made landfall, and those are the ones that matter.

We have more accurate instruments now and more of them.

(A sudden pressure drop on an 1851 mechanical barometer versus today’s sat, plane, buoys and shore arrays?… give it up Ogg, its like sextant versus sat)

 

[ll74]

We have more accurate instruments now and more of them.

(A sudden pressure drop on an 1851 mechanical barometer versus today’s sat, plane, buoys and shore arrays?… give it up Ogg, its like sextant versus sat)

So you're not saying there were just as many back then...you're saying that we just can't know whether there was.

 

[ll74]

You’re chasing your tail.

You're the one pivoting when your arguments don't hold water. I'm just providing the play by play

 

[iso36]

So you're not saying there were just as many back then...

Some years back then there were more… go read the links.

you're saying that we just can't know whether there was.

I’m saying that some storms in the old days weren’t measured as accurately as the past 30 years.

 

[butters]

It's called technology ... radar, tracking, measurements, observations, flying into the center of the storms. There are not more storms. There are not stronger storms. There is better documentation of storms.

most meteorologists would disagree with you, there.

they know the seas and oceans are warming. there is direct correlation between warming bodies of water and the amount of moisture a hurricane can carry with it to dump elsewhere.

 

[jaF0]

Most meteorologists are trying to justify their jobs.

 

[iso36]

Most meteorologists are trying to justify their jobs.

More to the point, there have been larger, stronger storms during other “trending” periods on and off since 1851.

When you look at the “top ten” in all categories of clasification on all the different recognized scales…. Nothing is conclusive.

The patterns and cycles are either random or more complex than we can yet map.

Measurement advances also mean some historical data is wrong and or missing.

Jesse Owens times would be different, better, more accurate today.

 

[butters]

at least 102 dead now in florida, plus more in other states

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

More to the point, there have been larger, stronger storms during other “trending” periods on and off since 1851.

When you look at the “top ten” in all categories of clasification on all the different recognized scales…. Nothing is conclusive.

The patterns and cycles are either random or more complex than we can yet map.

Measurement advances also mean some historical data is wrong and or missing.

Jesse Owens times would be different, better, more accurate today.

Climate scientists have shown that to be wrong. Sorry.

 

[iso36]

Climate scientists have shown that to be wrong. Sorry.

Ladies and gentlemen… Lit’s biggest twat…. Spiderboi.

 

[Sugar Baby Wanted]

Eh so I'm wrong. Reality is foolish building practices are all over the states. Jersey shore. California quake zones. Oregon flood plains. Midwest tornadoes. Etc.

I find your attitude of throwing out the baby with the bathwater to be offensive. I get where irritations lay but the reality is it is a team effort. Even if we aren't acting like a team right now.


Apparently I'm wrong. Sue me. At least I'm not a trumper.

What's wrong with putting Americans ahead of politicians and other countries? Have you seen what Trump did vs where we are now or are you blind?