Rapist-minded Republicans voted against The Right To Contraception Act

[mayfly13]

I've never said that.

The closest I've came is pointing out the economic flaw because higher wages are built into the costs of goods and services so that it's a push: you get more money, but then you turn around and pay more, a form of artificial inflation. All that stuff is feel-good legislation on the part of people who are not affected because they are making money but do know how to "buy" votes with other people's money.

so you Reps ask women to give birth to unwanted -accidental or God forbid imposed through rape- pregnancies

how will Reps support them or their off springs, once that happens?

 

[mayfly13]

I'm going to respond this with one giant fuck off. You've actually made assumptions about what I have said that aren't even true and then gone on a screed about it. Please find one instance where I have compared abortion to going to the dentist. What you will find is I have said that the regulation surrounding abortion are more stringent than what what is applied to dentistry even though dentistry is statistically more dangerous and more lethal than abortions. I'm finding your outrage and your ignorance to be quite honestly ridiculous. This is just more of you hysterically grandstanding and making shit up.

Good to know.
I just thought that your analogy to diabetes was jaw-dropping

 

[ll74]

Adrina uses ridiculous comparisons then gets angry when challenged.

How mature.

Contraception is the topic here, not abortions, dentistry, diabetes or car crashes.

If she can’t stay on topic, maybe she can talk about pineapples without wigging out.

She's contrasting regulation of reproductive health. You not seeing the relevance says more about you

 

[adrina]

Good to know.
I just thought that your analogy to diabetes was jaw-dropping

You can think it's jaw-dropping. But it is accurate. Diabetes 2 is a self-inflicted wound over a lifetime of poor decisions. Yet by the standard of moralizing judgment that you display, treatment should be withheld. Because they did it to themselves repeatedly. That you don't recognize the similarities is all part of the self-righteous moralizing that goes on with abortion.

Maybe you should work to try to describe just how they are different.

 

[ll74]

If by contrasting you mean losing badly, I agree.

I used the correct word. And of course you don't agree.

 

[mayfly13]

You can think it's jaw-dropping. But it is accurate. Diabetes 2 is a self-inflicted wound over a lifetime of poor decisions. Yet by the standard of moralizing judgment that you display, treatment should be withheld. Because they did it to themselves repeatedly. That you don't recognize the similarities is all part of the self-righteous moralizing that goes on with abortion.

Maybe you should work to try to describe just how they are different.

once again, I'm ... speechless
and you win

 

[mayfly13]

She's contrasting regulation of reproductive health. You not seeing the relevance says more about you

You wanna tell us that American women think like Adrina??

 

[adrina]

once again, I'm ... speechless
and you win

And still yet completely unable to defend your speechlessness or make any coherent point regarding said speechlessness.

The problem is that most people don't deal with abortion rationally, they deal with it emotionally. And with that comes a whole heap of crazy moral judgments. So when somebody is actually logical and rational about it, they find it offensive because they are reacting emotionally.

Can you or can you not explain why it is different?

 

[adrina]

Saying diabetes is only caused by eating choices is not only irrelevant, it’s incorrect.

Diabetes 2 is indeed caused by a lifetime of bad decisions. That is the statement I made and it is 100% correct.

And once again an anti-abortion fanatic's only response is to lie.

 

[ll74]

You wanna tell us that American women think like Adrina??

Why would I tell you that?

 

[ll74]

The problem is that most people don't deal with abortion rationally, they deal with it emotionally. And with that comes a whole heap of crazy moral judgments. So when somebody is actually logical and rational about it, they find it offensive because they are reacting emotionally.

Exactly - this is why people use the terms "unborn baby" and "infanticide" when discussing abortion, which is neither of those things.

 

[adrina]

Try again….( you’re not very good at this)


Causes of Type 2 Diabetes

• Genes. Scientists have found different bits of DNA that affect how your body makes insulin.
• Extra weight. ...
• Metabolic syndrome. ...
• Too much glucose from your liver. ...
• Bad communication between cells. ...
• Broken beta cells.

So, genius, what causes extra weight, metabolic syndrome, too much glucose from your liver etc.

It's like you're not even trying to appear legit.

If you wanted to be honest you would say that 90-95% of diabetes 2 cases are lifestyle determined but there are a small percentage of cases that do not involve obesity but instead are mainly caused by dietary habits.

You've lived in your echo chamber so long you are used to having your bullshit taken as gospel.

 

[mayfly13]

And still yet completely unable to defend your speechlessness or make any coherent point regarding said speechlessness.

The problem is that most people don't deal with abortion rationally, they deal with it emotionally. And with that comes a whole heap of crazy moral judgments. So when somebody is actually logical and rational about it, they find it offensive because they are reacting emotionally.

Can you or can you not explain why it is different

I would have probably tried to debate you half a year ago.
But I took a Critical Thinking paper a few months ago - best investment in my life.

And according to them, the flaw in your argument isn't about logic - which is fine, you would possibly beat the crap out of me in that domain.

The fault lies in the implicit/subconscious assumptions that you hold.
How can you even make an analogy between pregnancy and diabetes, no matter how logical your arguments , ....just boggles my mind.

 

[adrina]

“Doctor Adrina & Matt Gaetz agree; “Eat a Salad!”

Quit while you’re behind, Adrina.

Smart ass responses based off your imaginary alternative facts.

It's a good thing I know to never expect an anti abortion fanatic to be honest.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Smart ass responses based off your imaginary alternative facts.

It's a good thing I know to never expect an anti abortion fanatic to be honest.

Especially the anti-abortion rapist you quoted.

 

[adrina]

I would have probably tried to debate you half a year ago.
But I took a Critical Thinking paper a few months ago - best investment in my life.

And according to them, the flaw in your argument isn't about logic - which is fine, you would possibly beat the crap out of me in that domain.

The fault lies in the implicit/subconscious assumptions that you hold.
How can you even make an analogy between pregnancy and diabetes, no matter how logical your arguments , ....just boggles my mind.

How can you make a statement that you don't mind subsidizing medical care once, but you are offended at having to offer it repeatedly?

That is where the fault lies.

Until you can justify that statement then you aren't on any kind of solid ground, logical or moral.

 

[adrina]

Adrina never did respond to why she thinks the gov should pay for abortions when it doesnt pay for births.

Dance Adrina, dance!

Except that it does.

Lie, fanatic, lie!

Holy cow, what an idiot.

 

[adrina]

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

The government pays for pregnancy and birth through medicare part A. The government does indeed pay for birth and pregnancy. Do they pay for all of them? No. But then the government doesn't pay for most abortions.

You keep thinking you have a point but all you're doing is being an idiot.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Smart ass responses based off your imaginary alternative facts.

It's a good thing I know to never expect an anti abortion fanatic to be honest.

Especially the anti-abortion rapist you quoted.

and I don't see the post quoted in the link.

is that yet another

https://i.gifer.com/origin/a0/a043c44f64ff041063867fe1b53dd635.gif

 

[mayfly13]

ANALOGY BETWEEN PREGNANCY AND DIABETES


it's not necessarily that adrina's analogy is silly, that bothers me.

It's that people like adrina, Il68 & , while well intended
don't even see that similar rationales led to Hitler's gas chambers.

Of course nothing even remotely similar would ever happen, adrina/il's hearts are in the right places
but by parotting online debates whose' fine intricacies they missed
they only give leverage to far Right pro-Lifers

 

[adrina]

ANALOGY BETWEEN PREGNANCY AND DIABETES


it's not necessarily that adrina's analogy is silly, that bothers me.

It's that people like adrina, Il68 & , while well intended
don't even see that similar rationales led to Hitler's gas chambers.

Of course nothing even remotely similar would ever happen, adrina/il's hearts are in the right places
but by parotting online debates whose' fine intricacies they missed
they only give leverage to far Right pro-Lifers

What similarities to Hitler's gas chambers?

Here I'll spell out my abortion stance: it is something that should be decided by the woman with the input from her medical professional - a doctor who adheres to fact based science (like the AMA does now). It is something that should not be regulated any differently from any other medical procedure. In short, trust the woman to make an informed decision without government intrusion.

How the fuck is that even similar to Hitler's gas chambers?

And once again, why is it okay to subsidize a medical procedure only once?

 

[adrina]

^^ More insults. No facts. No rebuttal.

No surprise.

 

[mayfly13]

What similarities to Hitler's gas chambers?

Here I'll spell out my abortion stance: it is something that should be decided by the woman with the input from her medical professional - a doctor who adheres to fact based science (like the AMA does now). It is something that should not be regulated any differently from any other medical procedure. In short, trust the woman to make an informed decision without government intrusion.

How the fuck is that even similar to Hitler's gas chambers?

And once again, why is it okay to subsidize a medical procedure only once?

with this part I totally agree with
when you leave out the diabetes analogy, it makes total sense

 

[iso36]

You wanna tell us that American women think like Adrina??

Americans are crazy, no matter which gender they’re play-acting at.

 

[adrina]

with this part I totally agree with
when you leave out the diabetes analogy, it makes total sense

What doesn't make sense is treating abortion like a moral issue and putting asinine limitations on it based on said morality.

Ironically, many people actually do treat obesity as a moral and personal failing. There is a lot more similarity in how people treat women who need abortions and the obese. The difference being that the medical treatment for obesity is not questioned. But abortion is.

Here's some of the "moral" regulations put on abortion:
- There are 11 states in the US that forbid private insurers from covering abortion (yes, forbid private insurers.)
- There are 15 states in the US that forbid or are in the process of forbidding abortion even in cases of rape/incest.
- The regulations enacted for abortion are strictly to discourage the woman from getting an abortion - not to ensure her safety through the procedure.
- The anti abortion fanatics have even put propaganda in the place of science to form laws. See so called "fetal heartbeat laws".

It's been an assault against truth and women from the get go. They lie, they are extremists and they are not rational.

I will not apologize for my militant stance in support of abortion rights because they are under attack. I didn't start this war but everyone who cares about women and rational science should consider themselves drafted to fight it.