Rapist-minded Republicans voted against The Right To Contraception Act

[mayfly13]

The House passed the Right to Contraception Act on Thursday ― a bill that codifies the right to birth control and other contraceptives amid fears that the Supreme Court may come for that aspect of reproductive health care next after the high court repealed Roe v. Wade’s protection of abortion rights last month.

The bill passed despite 195 Republicans who voted against the bill in a final vote of 228 to 195.

https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/195-house-republicans-voted-against-154820845.html




Final vote of 228 to 195!!!!!!!!!!
That was chillingly close

 

[QueequegsHead]

Don't judge the bill by the title alone. A lot of shit gets thrown in there on a double-dawg dare,
i.e., poison pills that can be used in the next campaign. Oh, this guy/gal talks big about issue xyz
but when they had the chance to vote for it (buried in an unrelated bill) they actually voted against it...

As a bill, to be honest, all it is was butt-hurt virtue signaling on the part of the losing political faction
and I suspect that the Republicans who voted for it were, in fact using it as a cynical political CYA.

Politics is the art of hypocrisy, dirty tricks and outright manufactured lies and misrepresentations.

 

[mayfly13]

Don't judge the bill by the title alone. A lot of shit gets thrown in there on a double-dawg dare,
i.e., poison pills that can be used in the next campaign. Oh, this guy/gal talks big about issue xyz
but when they had the chance to vote for it (buried in an unrelated bill) they actually voted against it...

As a bill, to be honest, all it is was butt-hurt virtue signaling on the part of the losing political faction
and I suspect that the Republicans who voted for it were, in fact using it as a cynical political CYA.

Politics is the art of hypocrisy, dirty tricks and outright manufactured lies and misrepresentations.

I suspect that it's a mixture of self-serving electoral goals and genuine fear for women.
-- I'll have to read more posts and hopefully more helpful links,
and THEN come back to you.

Because not sure that I trust the intellectual honesty of any of your pals in this forum, after they tried to obfuscate the cases of the 11 year-old rape victims.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Based on its timing and no valid links for quite a period of time, I admit, I suspected that it was a hoax.

We have a saying hereabout: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

And also I have always been very clear that I support abortion in the cases of rape, incest, product failure and clear danger to the life and health of the mother, but on the other hand, convenience or laxity of precaution by the irresponsible? I have problems with that. If women and men knew how dire the consequences were (and I would surely make the irresponsible man fiscally, if not emotionally proportionately responsible for the raising of such a child) then maybe they would not be so careless in their sexual habits (and at the same time, help in the battle with STDs).

 

[Chobham]

I just followed the links to the actual text of the bill and I'm still trying to unweave the language. The 'red flag' for me is that it's reported in the 'finance' section of Yahoo. I'm still trying to sus out the financial impact the legislation would have.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

What a silly way for Congress to spend its time.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Especially since the SCOTUS has ruled that it's a state issue.

I don't see any rush in any state to outlaw contraception, hence it is just virtue-signaling for votes.

 

[mayfly13]

I just followed the links to the actual text of the bill and I'm still trying to unweave the language. The 'red flag' for me is that it's reported in the 'finance' section of Yahoo. I'm still trying to sus out the financial impact the legislation would have.

attack the source and call us stupid, eh?

I'd prefer if you explained to us why 195 Reps opposed that legislation.
What dodgy fine-script (other than what the Bill claims to fight for) do you think made them worried?

 

[QueequegsHead]

He said he was looking into it.

Read for comprehension and don't let your passion overwhelm your patience.

 

[QueequegsHead]

A lot of times, the party will nose count and those in the safest districts will vote for nonsense while giving cover to those in the most vulnerable districts so the party can claim to be for whatever squeaky wheel gets "oiled" and the vulnerable can go home and proclaim that they fought against the nonsense.

 

[Chobham]

attack the source and call us stupid, eh?

I'd prefer if you explained to us why 195 Reps opposed that legislation.
What dodgy fine-script (other than what the Bill claims to fight for) do you think made them worried?

You need lessons in reading comprehension.

Yahoo could have published that article in any one of it's sections. Social, General news, Politics, whatever. But it was published in the Finance section, why? That leads me to believe there is a financial component to the bill and I'm trying to dig out what that component is.

 

[ll74]

attack the source and call us stupid, eh?

I'd prefer if you explained to us why 195 Reps opposed that legislation.
What dodgy fine-script (other than what the Bill claims to fight for) do you think made them worried?

They opposed it because of the provisions involving Planned Parenthood.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Oh, I'll bet Planned Parenthood will be getting a hunk of largess...

 

[QueequegsHead]

They opposed it because of the provisions involving Planned Parenthood.

Why the fuck aren't you guys raising money for them? We have a lot of crowd source options.

Why are you so niggardly in your concern that you feel the government MUST fund it
(with my tax dollars despite how I feel about the issue)?

 

[ll74]

Why the fuck aren't you guys raising money for them? We have a lot of crowd source options.

Why are you so niggardly in your concern that you feel the government MUST fund it
(with my tax dollars despite how I feel about the issue)?

It's a public health organization that the government funds to provide healthcare to low income families, specifically reproductive care. If you want to get more contraception to more people, PP is how you do it. Sorry you don't like that

 

[mayfly13]

They opposed it because of the provisions involving Planned Parenthood.

You mean financial provisions?
That you taxpayers are asked to subsidize Contraception for teens or low income people?

I fully understand Reps upset with subsidizing abortions
(I would be the same. If you asked ME to pay for your 2nd or 3rd abortion, I'd say "get the Fuck out of here, get a loan")

but when it comes to contraception in Red States where abortion was banned?
It looks terribly short-sighted thinking.
They will end up paying even more on Foster Homes for unwanted kids.

 

[QueequegsHead]

If you want to advance abortions of convenience and late term contraception, they (PP) are also your go-to source.

 

[ll74]

You mean financial provisions?
That you taxpayers are asked to subsidize Contraception for teens or low income people?

I fully understand Reps upset with subsidizing abortions
(I would be the same. If you had more than 1-2 abortions and asked ME to pay, I'd say "get the Fuck out of here, not from My pocket")

but when it comes to contraception in Red States where abortion was banned?
It looks terribly short-sighted thinking.
They will end up paying even more on Foster Homes for unwanted kids.

No Rep would support any PP money...it'd be political suicide

 

[QueequegsHead]

That's a lie and you know it.

Liz Cheney is all over that one, for example....

 

[ll74]

That's a lie and you know it.

Liz Cheney is all over that one, for example....

So you're saying the rep who is going to lose her reelection? Or are you talking about the rep who announced his retirement in 2021?

Yah, they're not concerned about political points at this point.

 

[QueequegsHead]

She was there long before her constituency figured out that she was culturally woke: the walking dead...

 

[mayfly13]

so it's not about Contraception, it's about the fct that Democrats are linking it to PP?

I don't get it.
Why are Democrats bent on PP? They know Reps will oppose it -- unless they're stirring such things knowingly to get votes.

Why can't Dem and Reps work on some other framework for contraception rights and support, in states that banned abortions?

 

[ll74]

She was there long before her constituency figured out that she was culturally woke: the walking dead...

Feel free to provide where she voted for the same legislation in the past.

She has supported Republican policies about 92% of the time.

 

[adrina]

so it's not about Contraception, it's about the fct that Democrats are linking it to PP?

I don't get it.
Why are Democrats bent on PP? They know Reps will oppose it -- unless they're stirring such things knowingly to get votes.

Why can't Dem and Reps work on some other framework for contraception rights and support, in states that banned abortions?

Republicans have a lousy track record for compromise. If you haven't noticed, the party is full of extremists. Especially evangelical extremism.

Also I have a question on practicality. What would you rather subsidize? A second or third abortion or a lifetime of social safety net programs for children born into poverty? Myself I'd rather subsidize payment for multiple abortions than have the hefty bill of safety net policies and the cost to society for having a generation of children who are not properly cared for.

 

[mayfly13]

Republicans have a lousy track record for compromise. If you haven't noticed, the party is full of extremists. Especially evangelical extremism.

Also I have a question on practicality. What would you rather subsidize? A second or third abortion or a lifetime of social safety net programs for children born into poverty? Myself I'd rather subsidize payment for multiple abortions than have the hefty bill of safety net policies and the cost to society for having a generation of children who are not properly cared for.

no, I wouldn't subsidize multiple abortions.
We all make mistakes, but they should goddamn get an interest-free loan and pay for it instead of asking me to do it. They are young, they can work.

I'd rather pay for the care of the elderly or seriously ill.