Just another day in the gun paradise of the world.

[phrodeau]

Did the gun malfunction? if not the manufacturers like car manufactures and car dealers are only liable for the malfunctioning of the products not the criminal illegal usage whether it be intentional vehicular homicides like in 2021 Waukesha Christmas parade, or because of drunk drivers like in 2005's Martin Heidgen case accidentally killing 7-year old Katie Flynn.

The gun was criminally misused. This absolves any firearms manufacturer, the firearm retail seller and the multiple government background investigators from being held liable, unless they knew the product was going to be criminally misused. This works in the exact same way for any and all product manufacturers, sellers.

Gun manufacturers have a long history of making weapons that are less deadly and less simple to operate. They know how to do it, but they won’t.
Here’s a question for you. Why would anyone need a high-powered high-capacity weapon for strictly defensive purposes?

 

[phrodeau]

The 2nd is concise and clear in it usage of wording, and its explicit, there is no need for interpretation.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The prefatory clause is just one reason, not the only reason - Basic 3rd Grade American English usage.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State

The operative clause is the legal requirement prohibiting federal and state government (incorporated via the 9th & 10th Amendment which prohibits the Sates) - also basic 3rd Grade American English usage.
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The Second Amendment also allowed slaves to own guns, but lots of laws were passed to remove that right.

 

[dmonty]

Why the difference in terminology? Clips hold cartridges, and so too do magazines. Cartridge/ammunition....interchangeable yes, but for a slide like this, no. Clips are actually called Chargers btw, it was the little * there about the M1 that got them called clips in the American lexicon.

Terminology and function are important in the distinction of "clips" and "magazines", so with that lets stay with the vernacular I was brought up with, though it is my understadning that the firearms community outside the US typically uses our common verbiage.

Magazines hold the rounds or cartridges (the entire package, bullet, casing, propellent, primer, etc), ammunition is the plural of round/cartridge.

Chargers (aka Stripper Clips) and Clips are similar but not generally interchangeable. The clips only function is to load the round/cartridge into a magazine, not to be used as a magazine replacement (in that they are both similar in function)

Clips that load magazines and remain in the magazines. The M1 used the En Bloc Clip type and were inserted into the magazine and remained in the magazine (it gave the gun its distinctive **ping** sound when emptied)

The stripper clips, aka "Chargers" load magazines but do not remain in the magazines.

Also half-moon/moon clips load revolvers making it easier to load the cylinder.

 

[dmonty]

The Second Amendment also allowed slaves to own guns, but lots of laws were passed to remove that right.

All unconstitutionally - there are lots of unconstitutional actions masquerading as laws that the SCOTUS allowed, and the CONUS passed. Didn't make them any more legal, but sometimes the anti-Americans ran the government to control people and get there way. Still happens even today.

 

[dmonty]

Gun manufacturers have a long history of making weapons that are less deadly and less simple to operate. They know how to do it, but they won’t.
Here’s a question for you. Why would anyone need a high-powered high-capacity weapon for strictly defensive purposes?

The following information is not mine but from the US government and Homeland Security: According to Homeland Security, a Personal Defense Weapon is an M-4. In civilian hands that would be an AR-15. Except for full auto fire, every feature of a government defined Personal Defense Weapon is an AR-15

In summary, according to our government, a personal defense weapon is a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required. Interestingly, the official solicitation does not refer to an assault rifle. Nor do they call it a killing machine. Nowhere is the term weapon of war. The document is pretty straight up. They need some guns suited for self defense.

Also FYI, in many states you cannot hunt with an AR-15, and not because its so powerful - its because it isn't powerful enough or able to humanely kill - the AR-15was designed as varmint hunting rifle and target gun.
https://www.wingtactical.com/blog/is-it-legal-to-hunt-with-an-ar15/



Some instances, where an AR15 was absolutely needed for self defense

• Kyle Rittenhouse
• Roof-top Koreans
• https://www.gunssavelife.com/ar-15-...-old-uses-dads-ar-to-defend-self-12yo-sister/
• https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rd-at-white-owned-store-idUSKCN0JA1XF20141126
• https://www.click2houston.com/news/...er-shoots-at-drive-by-suspects-officials-say/
• https://nypost.com/2017/03/28/homeowners-son-kills-three-would-be-burglars-with-ar-15/
• https://patch.com/illinois/oswego/ar-15-threat-used-stop-knife-attack-sheriff
• https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-church-shooting-suspect-resident-sutherland-springs/
• https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ar-15-used-for-north-carolina-home-defense/

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Why do all gun nutters have zero critical thinking skills and even less common sense? It's a fucking affliction.

 

[dmonty]

Why do all gun nutters have zero critical thinking skills and even less common sense? It's a fucking affliction.

and the hoplophobes instantly show their lack of critical thinking, by going strait to logical fallacies, such as ad hominem attacks.

Please feel free to identify a single instance of zero critical thinking skills used by an American supporting civil liberties and self defense.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

T that the firearms community outside the US typically uses our common verbiage.

You'd be wrong then.

Magazines hold the rounds or cartridges (the entire package, bullet, casing, propellent, primer, etc), ammunition is the plural of round/cartridge.

Magazines and Chargers both hold multiples, which is why the slide you posted was not well written. My point. Yet here you are explaining your slide, why because it was not well written..

Chargers (aka Stripper Clips) and Clips are similar but not generally interchangeable. The clips only function is to load the round/cartridge into a magazine, not to be used as a magazine replacement (in that they are both similar in function)

Chargers load magazines, fixed or removable, or hinged, period end of story. Some Chargers formed part of the magazine, namely the M1. Which is where the term "clip" originated.

Clips that load magazines and remain in the magazines. The M1 used the En Bloc Clip type and were inserted into the magazine and remained in the magazine (it gave the gun its distinctive **ping** sound when emptied)

See above

The stripper clips, aka "Chargers" load magazines but do not remain in the magazines.

True, and again see above. Do you think I am an idiot, my point was the link you posted was written poorly. Not inaccurate.

Also half-moon/moon clips load revolvers making it easier to load the cylinder.

I've always used the term "speed cylinders", never a "clip" for loading revolvers.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Please feel free to identify a single instance of zero critical thinking skills used by an American supporting civil liberties and self defense.

Well, ok.

Some instances, where an AR15 was absolutely needed for self defense

• Kyle Rittenhouse
• Roof-top Koreans

Go away, you are not smart enough for this.

 

[dmonty]

Well, ok.



Go away, you are not smart enough for this.

And you proved absolutely nothing other then you no nothing about the MSRs'

Who were the Roof Top Koreans:
https://koryogroup.com/blog/who-were-the-rooftop-koreans

Even the HuffPo, could identify who they were and how the AR15 (korean version saved their neighborhoods the Daewoo K1A1 Rifle and the AR-110C Carbine).
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roof-koreans-meme-know-real-story_n_5ee110a1c5b6d5bafa5604f3

Without Kyle having an AR15 for self protection, his four violent attackers would have killed him in all probability - an interesting thing about the Kyle story is that he was attacked by 4 known repeat felony offenders, with histories of violent attacks against innocent people (this was the first time they attacked someone who defended themselves with a firearm). in all 4 attacks Kyle attempted to flee, before he was forced to fire at the attackers, and he only shot the violent attackers despite being surrounded by 100 of others.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Without Kyle having an AR15 for self protection, his four violent attackers would have killed him in all probability -

With the exception of one, they were all unarmed. IMHO he had no need to shoot. KR could have had a semi auto .308 ( I could name two dozen other rifles that would have worked just as well), and done just the same. Or a Glock ( how many handguns? the list is extremely long..maybe a 1911? eh?) ..he had no need of an AR-15. Your statement is useless as a reason for having the AR-15....same for the Korean's plenty of other weapons that would have done the same job.

 

[phrodeau]

The following information is not mine but from the US government and Homeland Security: According to Homeland Security, a Personal Defense Weapon is an M-4. In civilian hands that would be an AR-15. Except for full auto fire, every feature of a government defined Personal Defense Weapon is an AR-15

In summary, according to our government, a personal defense weapon is a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required. Interestingly, the official solicitation does not refer to an assault rifle. Nor do they call it a killing machine. Nowhere is the term weapon of war. The document is pretty straight up. They need some guns suited for self defense.

Also FYI, in many states you cannot hunt with an AR-15, and not because its so powerful - its because it isn't powerful enough or able to humanely kill - the AR-15was designed as varmint hunting rifle and target gun.
https://www.wingtactical.com/blog/is-it-legal-to-hunt-with-an-ar15/

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Some instances, where an AR15 was absolutely needed for self defense

• Kyle Rittenhouse
• Roof-top Koreans
• https://www.gunssavelife.com/ar-15-...-old-uses-dads-ar-to-defend-self-12yo-sister/
• https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rd-at-white-owned-store-idUSKCN0JA1XF20141126
• https://www.click2houston.com/news/...er-shoots-at-drive-by-suspects-officials-say/
• https://nypost.com/2017/03/28/homeowners-son-kills-three-would-be-burglars-with-ar-15/
• https://patch.com/illinois/oswego/ar-15-threat-used-stop-knife-attack-sheriff
• https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-church-shooting-suspect-resident-sutherland-springs/
• https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ar-15-used-for-north-carolina-home-defense/

You didn’t answer the question.

Government definition? Give me a break.

 

[jomar]

With the exception of one, they were all unarmed. IMHO he had no need to shoot. KR could have had a semi auto .308 ( I could name two dozen other rifles that would have worked just as well), and done just the same. Or a Glock ( how many handguns? the list is extremely long..maybe a 1911? eh?) ..he had no need of an AR-15. Your statement is useless as a reason for having the AR-15....same for the Korean's plenty of other weapons that would have done the same job.

Not to mention that if Kyle didn’t have an AR he probably wouldn’t have put himself in positions to be harassed by those idiots.

 

[rockcasbah]

Americans need the most powerful, fastest killing guns available.

And everyone should have one at all times.

MAD will create Peace & Harmony.

 

[ll74]

Next protest, I'm driving my tank

 

[John_von_Neumann]

So, a tattooed, malnourished, anti-American, mongrel radicalized by the left to hate patriotic Americans, shoots up a parade killing 6. All so that the media and the democrats will have something with which to vilify the SCOTUS and law-abiding Americans who believe in the Constitution. Oh, and those "white male" characteristics of black hair and black eyes, yeah sure.

Was it really necessary to inject insinuations about race, again? No wonder the younger generations can’t wait until boomers fuck the fuck off.

 

[rockcasbah]

Bobby Crimo is the son of a Republican family active in local politics and supporting the Second Amendment.

Most of us know that sons of politicians, cops, military members and clergy tend to be fucked up.

Should bad parenting make the parents an Accessory?

Or should fucked up kids of those who serve get special treatment because a parent was busy serving the public?

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Was it really necessary to inject insinuations about race, again? No wonder the younger generations can’t wait until boomers fuck the fuck off.

vetteman sees hisself inside (gross!) the mass murderer - A twink 45 sycophant.

 

[AlexBailey]

Not to mention that if Kyle didn’t have an AR he probably wouldn’t have put himself in positions to be harassed by those idiots.

Or that if he'd been a minority with the AR the police probably would have shot him.

 

[AlexBailey]

So, a tattooed, malnourished, anti-American, mongrel radicalized by the left to hate patriotic Americans, shoots up a parade killing 6. All so that the media and the democrats will have something with which to vilify the SCOTUS and law-abiding Americans who believe in the Constitution. Oh, and those "white male" characteristics of black hair and black eyes, yeah sure.

So, ReightGuide. How much of your statement are you still standing behind?
You're as spot on as ever.

 

[AlexBailey]

"I'd like a venti latte with non-fat whip, a pair of Crocs, a Sarah McLachlan CD, and a clip for my AK."

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Open carry. Such a wonderful thing.... There is nothing illegal until they aim it at someone. Just watching the parade....

 

[jaF0]

Or that if he'd been a minority with the AR the police probably would have shot him.

Wonder if the cops stopped to get this guy a burger.

 

[Rightguide]

We don't know where he got the gun.

Also, he's a verified Trumper.

Also, the fact that he shot up a very privileged LEFT enclave shows where his loyalties lies and who he hated. He may have grown up in an "anti-American" Democratic state, but he was right wing radicalized. Your arguments make no sense whatsoever.

Typical Trumptard. When cornered, resort to nonsense.

BS. He shot up the most important American patriotic celebration, an event he obviously didn't believe in. So, he was no Trump supporter. He was crazy as well, so more like a lefty.

 

[AlexBailey]

BS. He shot up the most important American patriotic celebration, an event he obviously didn't believe in. So, he was no Trump supporter. He was crazy as well, so more like a lefty.

Your denial is undermining your credibility. Very trumpian.

Alternative facts.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

BS. He shot up the most important American patriotic celebration, an event he obviously didn't believe in. So, he was no Trump supporter. He was crazy as well, so more like a lefty.

Whole.
E.
Fuck.

You're a lost soul and a damaged human. What a pathetic waste of oxygen.