Let's talk about guns, shootings, solutions and idiotic suggestions

[dmonty]

You must've.

Double checked, not a single instance of WMD killing kids in school was in ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine in May, in the US it hasn't happened since 2005, before that in 1986.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Not deflection, the US also has at a minimum of over 900,000 self defense gun uses every year, and many studies indicate that it is upwards of over 3 million every year. So since 0 can never be achieved, your acceptance of disarming free people would increase the murder rate to possibly over 900,000 extra every year. More lives are saved with guns than are lost.

Yes deflection, post your link to the statistic you claim, you have a habit of being wrong on statistics.

Show me one post where I call for disarming? I call for training, regulations, back ground checks, licences, etc etc. I myself am a firearm owner, but when I debate with people such as yourself, all I see is....but but but... No "look at, or discussion on how it can be done", just deflection away from doing the hard work needed to lower the number of needless deaths.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Double checked, not a single instance of WMD killing kids in school was in ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine in May, in the US it hasn't happened since 2005, before that in 1986.

Jesus Fucking Christ.

 

[dmonty]

My niece is a teacher in the US. She does not want to be a cop. She went to school, got her degree to teach. Is that so fucking hard to understand? You think she should be armed, to be the "good person with the gun". Well her answer to you is...you do it! If I have to, I quit.

No one is forcing her to carry a gun. In fact before the 1991 unconstitutional Gun Free Zones, teachers and staff regularly carried guns in schools for protection (2 states did it before the national law CA in 1960's and NY in the 1970's), and the incidences of school shootings were exceedingly rare to almost nil in any 20 year period. School shootings only became a thing after these unconstitutional laws went into effect and were enforced that the school shootings increased to the rates we have today. In NY and PA many students carried guns to school (even NYC kids, were seen on subways) as most schools had shooting ranges on school grounds, it was in the 1980's that high schools on Long Island and NYC shuttered them and repurposed them to multi-media and weight lifting rooms.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No one is forcing her to carry a gun. In fact before the 1991 unconstitutional Gun Free Zones, teachers and staff regularly carried guns in schools for protection (2 states did it before the national law CA in 1960's and NY in the 1970's), and the incidences of school shootings were exceedingly rare to almost nil in any 20 year period. School shootings only became a thing after these unconstitutional laws went into effect and were enforced that the school shootings increased to the rates we have today. In NY and PA many students carried guns to school (even NYC kids, were seen on subways) as most schools had shooting ranges on school grounds, it was in the 1980's that high schools on Long Island and NYC shuttered them and repurposed them to multi-media and weight lifting rooms.

You just implied in your response to ii74 teachers should be.

"And if the teachers and staff weren't illegally and unconstitutional disarmed the death toll would have been far lower"

As I said earlier, you're not the brightest bulb on Lit....Teachers don't want to be Cops....

 

[dmonty]

Yes deflection, post your link to the statistic you claim, you have a habit of being wrong on statistics.

Show me one post where I call for disarming? I call for training, regulations, back ground checks, licences, etc etc. I myself am a firearm owner, but when I debate with people such as yourself, all I see is....but but but... No "look at, or discussion on how it can be done", just deflection away from doing the hard work needed to lower the number of needless death

A habit? hahaha, I have posted lots of empirical data, and with the exception of the one item that I recalled numbers but haven't had the time to go through my source materials to post the "number of mass shootings" (so unitl I can provide that link - that is only 1 "possible" erroneous claim) everything else is factual and never been debunked.

as for the number of defensive gun uses:
1994 report for Bill Clinton's by the Centers for Disease Control
1997 report for Bill Clinton's by the US Justice Department
An Obama administration 2013 study ordered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and conducted by The National Academies’ Institute of Medicine and National Research Council

Many of the different methodologies used to compile the DGU's, but going from very hoplophobic anti-gun to the very pro2A groups, they range anywhere from 900k-over 3million
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/defensive-gun-use.html

 

[rockcasbah]

It wasn't a suggestion, Webster.

Okay, it was just idiotic of you.

 

[jaF0]

Talking to it is like slamming your dick in the door.

 

[ll74]

And if the teachers and staff weren't illegally and unconstitutional disarmed the death toll would have been far lower, maybe "0" or just the "1 dead shooter" no other victims.

There were a ton of "good guys with guns" there.

Your hypothetical is a hypothetical

 

[jaF0]

This is what happens to 'good guys with guns'

Lawsuit says hero who killed gunman was shot without warning​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/apnews.com.icoAssociated Press|1 day ago
The mother of a man hailed as a hero for killing a gunman who ambushed and fatally shot a police officer only to be killed himself by another officer in suburban Denver filed a lawsuit Wednesday alleging the officer who shot him should have realized he did not pose a threat.

Johnny Hurley's Mom: Why I'm Suing Arvada Over My Hero Son's Friendly Fire Death​

Westword|8 hours ago
On June 21, 2021, a gunman later identified as Ronald Troyke mounted an attack in Olde Town Arvada during which he murdered Gordon Beesley, a beloved officer with the Arvada Police Department. Johnny Hurley,

Suit filed over hero who killed gunman​

Press Enterprise|16 hours ago
The mother of a man hailed as a hero for killing a gunman who ambushed and fatally shot a police officer only to be killed by another officer filed a lawsuit Wednesday.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Okay, it was just idiotic of you.

That's rich coming from the retard who couldn't comprehend the thread title or my post.

 

[dmonty]

There were a ton of "good guys with guns" there.

Your hypothetical is a hypothetical

They were cops, not a single good guy, they are never lumped in with the "good guys with a gun" argument. Remember the cops only duty is to take a report, they did their job as is required by the law, they are not good guys with guns.

 

[HisArpy]

Talking to it is like slamming your dick in the door.

And exactly how do you know what that feels like in order to equate the 2 as being the same?

 

[ll74]

They were cops, not a single good guy, they are never lumped in with the "good guys with a gun" argument. Remember the cops only duty is to take a report, they did their job as is required by the law, they are not good guys with guns.

Cops aren't good guys....lmao.....you're a fucking moron.

 

[phrodeau]

Identify the exact "amendment" or Article/Clause that makes an abortion a civil liberty protected via the US Constitution..... the 2nd, 9th, and 10th explicitly mention we the people and guns shall not be infringed by the Federal, or State governments.

The Sates do get to decide what is a homicide, and can determine what is justifiable and which isn't - most states do identify abortions, as justifiable actions. The Federal government can't mandate that all states must adopt the same definitions, so each state gets to decide for itself and its citizens which deaths are acceptable and which are not and the penalties for violating those states laws.

So can states decide how to run elections during pandemics?

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Steel Penis Substitute brigade has pivoted to "Guns R Our FRIENDS!".....that 18-year-old "well-regulated militia" had every right to take whatever action he deemed necessary to get his point across.

"The Tree Of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of schoolchildren and fertilized with the homegrown manure of White Nationalism".

 

[butters]

Senate passes bipartisan gun bill

Senators ultimately passed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act 65-33 Thursday night

The deal is now headed to the House, where it is expected to pass Friday, despite House GOP leaders encouraging their members to vote against it.

However, Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales, who represents Uvalde, Texas, said he will vote in favor of the legislation.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday night in a statement to members the bipartisan gun legislation would go to the rules committee first thing in the morning and then "we will head immediately to the floor" for final passage.

The gun legislation could reach the president's desk tomorrow.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=ed09d94741a143e793a7603cb1fbce7c

it's not enough, but it's movement in the right direction after 30 years of stalemate

 

[dmonty]

So can states decide how to run elections during pandemics?

Yes, but only the legislatures have that authority per the US Constitution... not the courts or the executive branches or even the voting commissioners

 

[Dribble]

Identify the exact "amendment" or Article/Clause that makes an abortion a civil liberty protected via the US Constitution..... the 2nd, 9th, and 10th explicitly mention we the people and guns shall not be infringed by the Federal, or State governments.

The Sates do get to decide what is a homicide, and can determine what is justifiable and which isn't - most states do identify abortions, as justifiable actions. The Federal government can't mandate that all states must adopt the same definitions, so each state gets to decide for itself and its citizens which deaths are acceptable and which are not and the penalties for violating those states laws.

Did I say anything about "abortion"? Or did I say something about women's rights? Do I need to educate you? Or can you find the the Amendment that guarantees this?

 

[jaF0]

The Nine Scrotes need to be corrected. They are completely out of touch with the real world. They each need to do several weeks of hands on intensive internships in ER Trauma rooms caring for gunshot victims.

 

[phrodeau]

Yes, but only the legislatures have that authority per the US Constitution... not the courts or the executive branches or even the voting commissioners

The Constitution says that “legislatures” “prescribe” how Congressmen are elected, and “direct” how presidential electors are chosen. So the states can grant that authority as they see fit.

 

[ll74]

Like cars that have been used repeatedly
Let’s ban car’s sounds good

Not anything like cars, no matter how many times you keep trying to make it the same.

Cars are involved in accidents. People die in accidents because they lose control over the vehicle. People use guns to kill people deliberately.

People who abuse their driving priveleges lose them.

 

[phrodeau]

Like cars that have been used repeatedly
Let’s ban car’s sounds good

Great idea. We need cleaner air.

 

[dmonty]

Did I say anything about "abortion"? Or did I say something about women's rights? Do I need to educate you? Or can you find the the Amendment that guarantees this?

Typically that is what people are referring to with regards to "women's rights" are being denied, other than the abortion fallacy what "women's rights" are being denied?

Denying Gun rights affect all citizens, not just women - but it has severe disparate impact on women

 

[HisArpy]

Not anything like cars, no matter how many times you keep trying to make it the same.

Cars are involved in accidents. People die in accidents because they lose control over the vehicle. People use guns to kill people deliberately.

People who abuse their driving priveleges lose them.

Like that white supremacist who drove his car into a crowd? Or the one who drove his car into a parade?

Or how about the AIRPLANES used on 9/11?

You see, what's wrong in your head is that you focus on "gun" and not on "the intent of the person." You do it because that's what the headliners on the news tell you to focus on. And THEY do that because if they can get your emotionally involved, you'll continue to click on their articles and their media presence increases.

Your ignorance and willful stupidity is making people rich while others die from the baseless rage these people intentionally stoked.