Let's talk about guns, shootings, solutions and idiotic suggestions

[ll74]

Yeah, you keep hammering that nail. I'm sure that eventually someone will come along and help you find your mommy again.

I'm just repeating what antigun control advocates tell me. Guns don't kill people....they are inanimate objects. And so they also don't defend people or hit targets..etc

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

But if you limit to a six shot revolver, which would satisfy the Second, they could only fire six rounds and maybe hit six people. They could not fire hundreds of rounds in a short period and hit dozens.

Limiting handgun to six shot revolvers would not satisfy the Second. If Congress were to pass such a law, it would not hold up in the courts unless SCOTUS overturned Heller

 

[HisArpy]

I'm just repeating what antigun control advocates tell me. Guns don't kill people....they are inanimate objects. And so they also don't defend people or hit targets..etc

See, there's your problem. Right there in bold.

 

[ll74]

See, there's your problem. Right there in bold.

And one would think that would reveal the point you're missing....but it doesn't.

 

[HisArpy]

And one would think that would reveal the point you're missing....but it doesn't.

2 things:

One would begin to believe that you're a complete failure at whatever you're doing here by the fact that you're acting seriously obtuse. Whatever point you think you're making, or made, has long been lost in the mystery of your mind. Probably because it wasn't much of a point in the first place and the fact that you seem to believe it was important, yet no one has picked it up to discuss it, should have made it clear to you that, unlike Brandon, both your message AND your messaging is where your fuckup began.

From there:

Do you want another?

 

[Taggy1]

Get rid of people rather than guns

 

[HisArpy]

Get rid of people rather than guns

The Dems keep trying that too; it's called abortion.

 

[jaF0]

Get rid of people rather than guns

Go see a guy named Vlad.

 

[butters]

Italy has a gun culture; with a lot of Italy a rural place, guns have always been a part of their culture for hunting and sports shooting. It has had only ONE attempted mass shooting in the last 12 years the article's author has lived there, and not a single school shooting, EVER. They watch the same movies, play the same games, see the same stuff online as Americans. America saw 246 as of March 2021, and we know there've been plenty since.

i think the Italian laws sound pretty doable, though the entitlement of Americans (as a nation, as a generalisation–and Americans don't really see this as Europeans do being outside the bubble of US thinking), is no doubt involved with the differences in both laws and attitude about when to use a gun.

Anyone over 18 can own a gun in Italy, as long as they meet certain criteria. They have to apply for a firearms license, take a firearms safety course at a gun range, and have no criminal record. Their physician has to sign a certificate affirming that the potential gun owner does not suffer from drug addiction or mental health issues. These rules also apply if you inherit or are otherwise gifted a gun.

After that, new gun owners must register the firearm with their local police station within 72 hours of taking possession of it. If gun owners sell or give a gun to someone else, they too have to notify local authorities within 72 hours of the gun leaving their hands. To carry the gun outside your home you need either a hunting license or a sporting license (to take the gun to a shooting range), and you can have the gun in your vehicle or on your person only when you are engaged in or en route to or from one of those activities.

Concealed carry permits exist in Italy but are very difficult to obtain. You have to prove that your line of work puts you at enough risk that you need to carry a concealed weapon for your own safety. And this license has to be renewed every year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...pc=U531&cvid=cc3b6c468b2f4b92a0de876b1240eb88

 

[HisArpy]

Italy has a gun culture; with a lot of Italy a rural place, guns have always been a part of their culture for hunting and sports shooting. It has had only ONE attempted mass shooting in the last 12 years the article's author has lived there, and not a single school shooting, EVER. They watch the same movies, play the same games, see the same stuff online as Americans. America saw 246 as of March 2021, and we know there've been plenty since.

i think the Italian laws sound pretty doable, though the entitlement of Americans (as a nation, as a generalisation–and Americans don't really see this as Europeans do being outside the bubble of US thinking), is no doubt involved with the differences in both laws and attitude about when to use a gun.






https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...pc=U531&cvid=cc3b6c468b2f4b92a0de876b1240eb88

Except Italy doesn't have a 2nd Amendment. Except Italy isn't "the wild west." Except Italy is a "permissive" polity where its citizens have to ask permission before they do anything rather than being free to make those choices themselves.

Apples/oranges.

 

[Taggy1]

Go see a guy named Vlad.

I was taking the piss

 

[Dribble]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/opin...and-mass-shootings-gun-laws-alpers/index.html

So much winning...

 

[jomar]

Why wait? Why don't the Democrats get the jump of the Republicans and do it first?

You haven't been paying attention again.

 

[ll74]

2 things:

One would begin to believe that you're a complete failure at whatever you're doing here by the fact that you're acting seriously obtuse. Whatever point you think you're making, or made, has long been lost in the mystery of your mind. Probably because it wasn't much of a point in the first place and the fact that you seem to believe it was important, yet no one has picked it up to discuss it, should have made it clear to you that, unlike Brandon, both your message AND your messaging is where your fuckup began.

From there:

Do you want another?

So guns do kill, then?

Keep making this about me. Im fine with that.

If the gun isn't part of the problem, then why do people use them during the problem?

 

[ll74]

https://www.criminalattorneycolumbus.com/which-weapons-are-most-commonly-used-for-homicides/

 

[butters]

the Justice Department said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ith-the-NRA&parent-content-id=AAXWR72#image=4

 

[butters]

The AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle and has been referred to by the National Rifle Association as "America's most popular rifle."

The "AR" in AR-15 does not stand for "assault rifle," but is linked to the original manufacturer of the firearm: ArmaLite, Inc. The name stands for ArmaLite Rifle.

The AR-15 was originally developed by ArmaLite to be a military rifle, designing it for fast reloading in combat situations, but the company hit financial troubles. By 1959, ArmaLite sold the design of the AR-15 to Colt, which had success in pitching it to the US military.

The rifle's automatic version, the M-16, was used during the Vietnam War. Meanwhile, Colt sold the semi-automatic version, the AR-15, to the public and police.

Colt's patent on the rifle's operating system expired in 1977, opening the door for other manufacturers to copy the technology and make their own models.

The AR-15 was prohibited from 1994 to 2004 via the assault weapons ban. Gun manufacturers promptly reintroduced the AR-15 after the ban expired, and sales went way up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ith-the-NRA&parent-content-id=AAXWR72#image=5

 

[rainsol]

Nahhhh. This ain't a "both sides" issue. The Dems can't pass anything effective, because they are blocked by the Republicans at every attempt.

Wake up.

You are the problem. Keep voting primate dude, the price of gas in LA is 8 bucks and 9 bucks for diesel. Video games adn violent movies are a bigger problem than guns not to mention dope. Demz have legalized everything deterimental to a civil society and they are not happy with the results

 

[butters]

High-capacity magazines​

High or large-capacity magazines are typically defined as ammunition-feeding devices holding more than 10 rounds. Nine states currently ban high-capacity magazines.
High-capacity magazines are capable of holding up to 100 rounds of ammunition, allowing for dozens of shots to be fired off before reloading.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ith-the-NRA&parent-content-id=AAXWR72#image=6

no civilian NEEDS one

 

[butters]

Bump stock​

A bump stock is an attachment that allows a semi-automatic weapon to fire at a more rapid rate.
It replaces the standard stock of a rifle, or the part of the firearm that rests against the shoulder. A bump stock uses the recoil effect to bounce the rifle off of the shoulder of the shooter, which in turn causes the trigger to continuously bump back into the shooter's trigger finger.
In effect, bump stocks allow semi-automatic weapons to fire like machine guns.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ith-the-NRA&parent-content-id=AAXWR72#image=7

 

[butters]

Gun show loophole​

The so-called "gun show loophole" is among the most discussed topics in relation to calls for gun reform advocates for expanded background checks.
"Gun show loophole" is a catch-all phrase referring to the sale of firearms by unlicensed, private sellers at gun shows and other venues — including the internet — without the involvement of background checks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ith-the-NRA&parent-content-id=AAXWR72#image=9

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/g...sedgntp&cvid=7c21f90d4ee04af7abc8b486c253e6ae

New Orleans high school graduation

When officers arrived, they found three gunshot victims – two men and one woman – who were all taken to local hospitals. The woman died at a hospital, the release said.

“There was a fight that broke out between apparently two females,” Goodly said. “Subsequent to this fight, subjects produced weapons, and shots were shot.”

Cantrell released a statement later Tuesday saying “gun violence continues to plague our city.”

“We will remain laser-focused on leveraging local and federal partnerships to prioritize initiatives that address prevention strategies,” the mayor’s statement read. “However, we also understand that there is a higher degree of personal responsibility that needs to be present in order to de-escalate these situations. As we are seeing all across the country, gun violence is a disease, and the cure requires a collaborative approach involving each of us coming together to make our streets safer.”

 

[mayfly13]

Except Italy doesn't have a 2nd Amendment. Except Italy isn't "the wild west." Except Italy is a "permissive" polity where its citizens have to ask permission before they do anything rather than being free to make those choices themselves.

Apples/oranges.

Jesus Christ.

All these memes about freedom and rights, as if guns were just like toothbrushes or porn tapes.
Not clear to me if the memes are moronic or disngenuous&manipulative.

 

[mayfly13]

Italy has a gun culture; with a lot of Italy a rural place, guns have always been a part of their culture for hunting and sports shooting. It has had only ONE attempted mass shooting in the last 12 years the article's author has lived there, and not a single school shooting, EVER. They watch the same movies, play the same games, see the same stuff online as Americans. America saw 246 as of March 2021, and we know there've been plenty since.

i think the Italian laws sound pretty doable, though the entitlement of Americans (as a nation, as a generalisation–and Americans don't really see this as Europeans do being outside the bubble of US thinking), is no doubt involved with the differences in both laws and attitude about when to use a gun.






https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...pc=U531&cvid=cc3b6c468b2f4b92a0de876b1240eb88

I looked at Italy's eligibility/monitoring rules 1 by 1 and they all seem appropriate.

I'm curious. Which ones are absent// or have been struck off from US protocols?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

It was a military weapon converted into a consumer weapon.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/M16-rifle

Any American gun owner who doesn't support reform of firearm laws has an unhealthy psychological fixation with their weapon.