we are falling apart very fast

[MMM_wms]

The world is coming apart at its seams, that much appears certain. Shitloads of different factions battling each other. Organized evangelicals, organized Trump supporters, organized feminism of the worst kind, including the #MeToo hysteria. Not to mention the NRA and the financial mafia. All of them fighting against the common good. And for particular interests.

Fairness and basic human values are giving way to ever more dysfunctional institutions. Not only in USA but more so there than anywhere else in the world. Now why might this be so?

My own personal viewpoint differs from mainstream thinking, I am certain. At least in the US of A. I am convinced the main culprit is the full-of-flaws nature of the motto of the American Revolution. Keep in mind: it is the motto of any new movements, which outlines its long-term aims. It is its mission statement, after all. And people all over the world, who joined the USA by emigrating there, get attracted by mission statements.

The USA has attracted – since forever and a day – the greedy people of the world. Why? My thesis says, because its main motto has been the pursuit of (individual) happiness. Whereas the other big revolution taking place at about the same time – while calling for liberty also – added two much more humanistic goals to its agenda: egalite + fraternite.

I’ll leave it to everybody reading this to translate these two goals. And I’ll give you a hint: both have to do more with obligations and duties and responsibilities than just with individual freedom and happiness.

And when you reminisce now about how Trump used to address joint sessions of Congress, and compare that with Macron in 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqUc1h7bZQ4 this difference in aims and goals of two very different societies becomes crystal clear.

Now, sure enough, individuals in USA have contributed more to certain kinds of progress, compared to France. And the French Revolution failed miserably in the beginning. But I posit the French spirit is proving far more future-proof in the end than the American spirit. In the ever more complex world of the 21st century.

Any rational comments on my thesis?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

including the #MeToo hysteria.

Ha! You called a recent social clapback to ingrained systemic sexism "hysteria."

I'll take "Ways To Tell You I Have A Penis Without Actually Telling You I Have A Penis" for 1000, Alex!

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[MMM_wms]

I know what to think of people whose preposterous signatures occupy 10 times the space of the few words they are able to assemble into a sentence or two.

And of anybody, for that matter, who is unable to discern #MeToo for the mud-slinging campaign it has turned into lately.

Ha! You called a recent social clapback to ingrained systemic sexism "hysteria."

I'll take "Ways To Tell You I Have A Penis Without Actually Telling You I Have A Penis" for 1000, Alex!

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[LukSkyFokker]

You're the first person I've seen bring up #metoo on this site or in real life in over a year.

 

[pecksniff]

France is more amenable to concepts of socialism and social democracy. There's even a Communist Party that matters.

 

[MMM_wms]

You're the first person I've seen bring up #metoo on this site or in real life in over a year.

there's a first time for everything, I suppose

 

[MMM_wms]

France is more amenable to concepts of socialism and social democracy. There's even a Communist Party that matters.

Are you trying to claim that is bad?

 

[LukSkyFokker]

there's a first time for everything, I suppose

I bet this isn't the first time you've whined about #metoo.

 

[Rightguide]

The NRA doesn't operate against the common good. Your thesis sucks. You get an F in general knowledge and American history.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I know what to think of people whose preposterous signatures occupy 10 times the space of the few words they are able to assemble into a sentence or two.

And of anybody, for that matter, who is unable to discern #MeToo for the mud-slinging campaign it has turned into lately.

Lately? It hasn't been a hot topic for the grumble set in ages. Are you saying you were on board with it when it began?

Yeah, I can see how #MeToo applied as it was meant to be and is effectively working would inconvenience self-imposed betas like you.

Don't worry about my sig, keep whining on a porn board over shit you were obviously late to the party for, that'll definitely solve your problems!

 

[pecksniff]

Are you trying to claim that is bad?

Quite the reverse. Wish it were so in the U.S.

 

[pecksniff]

The NRA doesn't operate against the common good. Your thesis sucks. You get an F in general knowledge and American history.

The NRA is not even a gun-rights organization any more, it is a lobby for the firearms industry.

 

[Rightguide]

The NRA is not even a gun-rights organization any more, it is a lobby for the firearms industry.

You're a liar. You have no clue other than IrrationalWiki.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The NRA is not even a gun-rights organization any more, it is a lobby for the firearms industry.

It failed Philando Castille.

if they had stood up to his murder by the state, it might've changed a lot.

but they were never about sticking by anyone who doesn't look like Charlton Heston anyway.

 

[MMM_wms]

amazing

I find it positively amazing how -- in barely 14 posts -- any conversation on Lit which began with a coherent thesis, gets turned around by some participants into a name-calling exercise. Or into a shouting match on not-so-important sub-sub-sub subjects.

 

[MMM_wms]

Quite the reverse. Wish it were so in the U.S.

I apologize for misunderstanding you

 

[pecksniff]

I find it positively amazing how -- in barely 14 posts -- any conversation on Lit which began with a coherent thesis, gets turned around by some participants into a name-calling exercise. Or into a shouting match on not-so-important sub-sub-sub subjects.

Bear in mind that you did not provide any clearly defined subject in the OP.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Bear in mind that you did not provide any clearly defined subject in the OP.

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[MMM_wms]

Bear in mind that you did not provide any clearly defined subject in the OP.

maybe not as focused as you would have liked. But I bemoaned a society falling apart, and I offered one explanation for it. THAT was my thesis, and anybodx wanting to understand it, I am fairly sure could understand it.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

maybe not as focused as you would have liked. But I bemoaned a society falling apart, and I offered one explanation for it. THAT was my thesis, and anybodx wanting to understand it, I am fairly sure could understand it.

How is society "falling apart?"

We are living in a moment of now. That moment of now is running along a timeline comprised of millions of moments of now.

There are a good handful of people who are doing extremely well right now. Society isn't "falling apart" for them...on the contrary, for them it's working out exceedingly well.

Maybe point to a specific time when society collectively had its shit together with the greater good benefitting from it in return and then we could better understand your gripe.

 

[pecksniff]

maybe not as focused as you would have liked. But I bemoaned a society falling apart, and I offered one explanation for it. THAT was my thesis, and anybodx wanting to understand it, I am fairly sure could understand it.

As I understand it, your explanation is that the U.S. places too much emphasis on liberty, and forgets equality and fraternity.

The only solution to that is leftist politics -- i.e., to the left of the Democrats, who are almost as corporate-owned as the Republicans. Left-progressivism or social democracy, as distinct from socialism. At present, there are three nascent parties representing that current, and I think they should merge:

The People's Party. Formed around the remnants of the Bernie Sanders campaign.

The National Progressive Party. Essentially the Vermont Progressive Party, which has existed since 1982, making an effort to go national.

The Working Families Party. A New York party trying to go national.

These are politically similar to the New Democrats in Canada.

 

[Chernosoth]

The world is coming apart at its seams

Globalism was briefly possible with fossil fuels' cheap energy, which the world is now losing. We are beginning the messy and sometimes violent process of nations living more on what they have within their own borders, and some large nations splitting apart into smaller nations. China may become North China, South China, Tibet, and Uyghuristan. The US will probably become several nations.

The USA has attracted – since forever and a day – the greedy people of the world.

Europe's geography fostered what Oswald Spengler called Faustian culture, with the need to expand and conquer. With our continent's natives mostly wiped out with minimal effort, the land was open to be repopulated by Europe's most Faustian, the most eager to expand and conquer new land, making Europe slightly more peaceful in their absence. Dropping the imported European culture and evolving our own will take a few more centuries.

 

[pecksniff]

Europe's geography fostered what Oswald Spengler called Faustian culture, with the need to expand and conquer. With our continent's natives mostly wiped out with minimal effort, the land was open to be repopulated by Europe's most Faustian, the most eager to expand and conquer new land, making Europe slightly more peaceful in their absence. Dropping the imported European culture and evolving our own will take a few more centuries.

Yeah, well, remember what happened to Faust. (In the original story, not Goethe's version.)

 

[phrodeau]

Has the NRA made any statement about Amir Locke’s wrongful death?

 

[pecksniff]

Has the NRA made any statement about Amir Locke’s wrongful death?

The RW will find some way to make Locke the aggressor.