joe manchin, closet deplorable

[ll74]

Pretty rich when the lefties make an infinite number of threads each day to Trump and the deplorables. Now Manchin is a deplorable because he won't support this sham of a bill that's BBB.

You apparently are talking about a different forum.

Maybe take a moment and count

 

[coati]

I kinda got a kick out of Bernie Sanders' reaction to Manchin's last statement on Fox. Bernie said something like, "That's OK, let him openly vote against a bill that would benefit the majority of people in his state." Bernie was basically saying, let's drop all the drama, and quit trying to please a guy who does not even recognize climate change and gross income inequality.

So yeah, Manchin will need to take a taxi from his yacht to the Senate floor to vote against it. Enough of this stupid process of one person watering the bill down to the point that it will have very little impact on creating a new start.

Well, that's what happens when you have a 50/50 split in the House of Lords. Voting rights are the most important issue at this point, so time to move on!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

There are heartbreaking grievance posts here and I encourage Manchin’s victims to continue putting their emotions on full display. That said, it will be tough for anyone to outdo Jen Psaki’s poignant tantrum that was released yesterday. She and her boss are deeply scarred and no tears were held back.

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

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[Bud_Spencer]

Remember back to ancient times, like a couple of weeks ago, when Lz Cheney was feeling the heat from her constituents and other Republican for being Pelosi's poodle on the Jan 6 Star Chamber? We were told solemnly that Democrats never do such things and always take heterodox views and acts in stride.

My, how life comes at you fast.

 

[Cubantripod]

I kinda got a kick out of Bernie Sanders' reaction to Manchin's last statement on Fox. Bernie said something like, "That's OK, let him openly vote against a bill that would benefit the majority of people in his state." Bernie was basically saying, let's drop all the drama, and quit trying to please a guy who does not even recognize climate change and gross income inequality.

It's pretty funny how Bernie Sanders, a senator from Vermont knows what's in the best interest of the people of West Virginia. I don't think I ever heard Manchin mention the effect of this bill on anyone other than residents of West Virginia. I think the senator from West Virginia knows what the people of West Virginia need. If he's wrong then they will vote him out. What's the big deal?

 

[Cubantripod]

You apparently are talking about a different forum.

Maybe take a moment and count

Take your own advice. Will, all on his own probably makes more threads attacking Trump and Trump supporters than all the the people making threads attacking democrats.

 

[ll74]

Remember back to ancient times, like a couple of weeks ago, when Lz Cheney was feeling the heat from her constituents and other Republican for being Pelosi's poodle on the Jan 6 Star Chamber? We were told solemnly that Democrats never do such things and always take heterodox views and acts in stride.

My, how life comes at you fast.

Of course by feeling heat, you mean that she was literally being voted out of her party, while voting in favor of 90+% of the party's agenda, for objecting to the previous President's position that the election was fraudulent without proof and supporting overturning the result?

Yah..poor Manchin being criticized for not supporting the party's legislative agenda is totally the same thing.¯\(°_o)/¯

 

[coati]

It's pretty funny how Bernie Sanders, a senator from Vermont knows what's in the best interest of the people of West Virginia. I don't think I ever heard Manchin mention the effect of this bill on anyone other than residents of West Virginia. I think the senator from West Virginia knows what the people of West Virginia need. If he's wrong then they will vote him out. What's the big deal?

There is no big deal. That's the whole point of my post and the whole point of Bernie cutting loose of playing footsie with Manchin. If the people of West Virginia want a Senator who lives on a yacht and is a lapdog for the status quo, so be it.

Time to take a vote and move on

Voting rights need to be next on the agenda.

 

[pecksniff]

Economic suicide is not recovery.

And BBB is not economic suicide.

 

[pecksniff]

I've always gotten a kick out of how the democrats label their legislation. The republicans do it too, just not nearly so cleverly.

If 'Build Back Better' were to be labeled in it's true context it would be named, 'Rape, Pillage, and Punish."

You have to love the Democrat Fascists. Party first and unquestioned allegiance above all. It was a bad bill that is more federal government overreach and makes the problems it attempts to solve, worse. Joe can't justify it to his constituents. Draft a good bill and you might get something done.

Build Back Better:

Revised version
The revised version of the bill is estimated to cost approximately $2.2 trillion.[43][44] The White House's legislative framework, the costs of which were disputed by nonpartisan estimates, includes:[45][46]

$555 billion for clean energy and climate change provisions
$400 billion for childcare and preschools
$200 billion for child tax and earned income tax credits
$150 billion for home care
$150 billion for housing
$130 billion for Affordable Care Act credits
$90 billion for equity and other investments
$40 billion for higher education and workforce
$35 billion to expand Medicare to hearing services
Specifics of the bill include:[47]

An increase in the SALT deduction limit from $10,000 (expiring in 2026) to $80,000 (expiring in 2030)
Universal preschool for all three and four-year-olds
Child-care cost cap of 7% of income for parents earning up to 250% of a state’s median income (including faith-based child-care)
$35-per-month limit on the cost of insulin under Medicare & limit on out-of-pocket prescription drug costs at $2,000 per year
Hearing benefits for Medicare beneficiaries, including coverage for a new hearing aid every five years
One year of expanded child tax credits
A provision for 4 weeks of paid family and medical leave (included in a package drafted by the House Ways and Means Committee)[48]
Extended Affordable Care Act subsidies
More than one million new affordable housing units, and modernizing existing public housing
Expanded home care for elderly and disabled individuals through Medicaid
Creation of 1–2 million new apprenticeship slots
Electric car tax credit of $7,500, plus an extra $4,500 for American-made vehicles built with union labor
New tax credits for installing solar panels or weatherizing homes
The pending payment methods are:[45]

$400 billion from IRS reform, including the enforcement of tax payments from taxpayers making over $400,000[49]
$350 billion by imposing a 15% minimum tax on foreign corporate profits
$325 billion via a 15% corporate minimum tax (applying to corporations making over $1 billion for three consecutive years)[50]
$250 billion by closing a Medicare tax loophole benefiting the wealthy
$230 billion from an adjusted gross income surcharge on the 0.02% most wealthy, applying a 5% rate for those who make $10 million, and an additional 3% surtax above $25 million
$170 billion by reducing business losses of the wealthy
$145 billion by repealing the 2017 tax act's rebate rule regarding prescription drugs
$125 billion via a 1% surcharge on corporate stock buybacks

That ain't "rape, pillage and punish," and it ain't "federal government overreach [that] makes the problems it attempts to solve, worse."

 

[pecksniff]

I bet (D)'s do immigration reform before (R)'s and the (R)'s just sit there and take whatever insane shit they come up with too.....swearing to fight it tooth and nail, and never actually do a fucking thing about it.

What makes you think that? Remember what happened last time a Republican tried to do immigration reform.

 

[pecksniff]

It's pretty funny how Bernie Sanders, a senator from Vermont knows what's in the best interest of the people of West Virginia.

It is not a difficult thing to know.

 

[Cubantripod]

It is not a difficult thing to know.

Remind me again how many times Bernie held a town hall in West Virginia? How many times he talk to residents of West Virginia?

 

[Cubantripod]

Build Back Better:



That ain't "rape, pillage and punish," and it ain't "federal government overreach [that] makes the problems it attempts to solve, worse."

We had this discussion already. You post some bullet points. The devil is in the details.

Here's one such example. https://reason.com/2021/12/09/the-b...nd-a-lot-of-money-to-make-our-problems-worse/

 

[pecksniff]

Remind me again how many times Bernie held a town hall in West Virginia? How many times he talk to residents of West Virginia?

This is the Information Age. What is best for any state can be determined from studying it without going there or asking the locals.

 

[pecksniff]

We had this discussion already. You post some bullet points. The devil is in the details.

Here's one such example. https://reason.com/2021/12/09/the-b...nd-a-lot-of-money-to-make-our-problems-worse/

Reason? Seriously?

 

[rae121452]

This is the Information Age. What is best for any state can be determined from studying it without going there or asking the locals.

and i HAVE been there, i have a niece who lives there. you have to keep your mouth shut just driving through so that the locals don't steal your gold fillings to sell for drugs. NOBODY in that state is going to be upset by the government bringing in money to improve their lives. check out the state poverty level and see if it equates with manchin impeding progress.

 

[BidudeinWi]

.Joe Manchin Says NO to Build Back Better. Leaving the poor & Middle Class behind is evil, codified..


Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) on Sunday said that he could not support Democrats’ roughly $2 trillion bill to overhaul the country’s health care, education, immigration, climate and tax laws, dealing a potentially fatal blow to the final piece of President Biden’s economic agenda.

The statement of opposition amounted to the most forceful condemnation yet from the moderate Democratic holdout, who cited rising consumer prices, a growing federal debt and the arrival of a new coronavirus variant as reasons he could not supply his must-have vote to help his party adopt its signature spending package.

Manchin’s stalwart refusal immediately thrust the bill, known as the Build Back Better Act, into fresh political peril. Without his support, Senate Democrats simply cannot move the sprawling measure through the narrowly divided chamber even using the process known as reconciliation, an intricate legislative tactic that allows the party to bypass a guaranteed Republican filibuster.

Joe Manchin claimed that he told the President and Democratic leaders about his decision. He blamed inflation, the deficit, and the price tag for not supporting the bill. Unfortunately, he never once spoke about the people helped by the bill.




if you've ever been in his state, you understand what the definition of 'shithole country' really is. i started to write 'how can people support him?' and then i thought 'deplorables'. nuff said.

Good for Manchin and even better for America!

 

[rae121452]

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dumbass hasn't figured out yet that i have it on ignore. in some cases, iq = shoe size.

 

[BidudeinWi]

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dumbass hasn't figured out yet that i have it on ignore. in some cases, iq = shoe size.

Nice avatar! I just threw up a little!

 

[Cubantripod]

Reason? Seriously?

I get it, they're a libertarian site. That scares you. If you have any evidence that contradicts what i am presenting you, please post. Until then your statement is simply a source fallacy.

 

[KeithD]

Joe Manchin's position should provide impetus for the progressive wing of the Democratic Party to drive hard in getting out the Democratic vote in the next election and providing the administration with a safe majority for its legislation. There are more of "us' than of "them" and the "us" need to get off our asses and get out the vote. It remains to be seen whether this will happen. There really shouldn't be any reason to be talking about the Republicans taking Congress back in 2022 (even though this may be a reality). The Republicans have clearly shown they aren't in it to govern or provide anything to anyone but the superrich. And Machin doesn't seem to be in touch with the needs of most West Virginians.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Very few West Virginians making $400,000 per year need an additional $300 per month per kid.

 

[pecksniff]

Very few West Virginians making $400,000 per year need an additional $300 per month per kid.

How many West Virginians make $400,000 per year?