How Vaccines Cause COVID to Spread Like Wildfire

[Bud_Spencer]

Gibraltar is the most-vaccinated place on the planet, with nearly three jabs per person being given to date. It's also experiencing a huge surge in COVID cases, to the point that Christmas parties and gatherings are now being canceled.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...s-due-to-massive-rise-in-covid-19-infections/

Why?

When Vanden Bossche initially reviewed the high vaccination rates in Israel, Vanden Bossche warned the absence of a natural immunity population to fight the virus would lead to an uncontrollable spread of the virus in the vaccinated community. The higher the vaccination rates, the more serious the spread of the virus amid the population that only carries the immune system protection provided by the vaccine.

I encapsulated his outline here: “The widespread vaccination rate is creating pressure on the virus to mutate into variants with higher levels of contagion. The unvaccinated group has been keeping the pressure down by defeating the virus and carrying natural immunity. However, as the unvaccinated population is increasingly made smaller, the pressure on the virus to mutate increases. Subsequently, these mutations stay at higher or more effective levels of infection.”

Watch the video provided at the cued point. Fascinating...we are likely causing the problems we are seeing.

 

[Champakian]

That doesn't sound like Science!



The board is full of people hunting down "deniers" in the Holy Name of Science!

(It's like the Holy Roman Empire.)

 

[Bud_Spencer]

That doesn't sound like Science!



The board is full of people hunting down "deniers" in the Holy Name of Science!

(It's like the Holy Roman Empire.)

It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. - Richard Feynman

 

[ll74]

Lol...I love this theory...one of my favs.

Vaccinations don't drive infections

 

[RobDownSouth]

Lol...I love this theory...one of my favs.

Vaccinations don't drive infections

The unspoken premise of the specious argument is "variants bad". Yes, the delta variant is moar lethal than the original coronavirus, but the alpha through charlie variants came and went and we're currently up to the weaksauce lambda variant with little to no effect.

Variants are a fact of life.

 

[ll74]

The unspoken premise of the specious argument is "variants bad". Yes, the delta variant is moar lethal than the original coronavirus, but the alpha through charlie variants came and went and we're currently up to the weaksauce lambda variant with little to no effect.

Variants are a fact of life.

I remember an earlier post which stated that variants are always less lethal and potent. I guess Delta kinda screwed up that angle

 

[GeorgeSoros]

I remember an earlier post which stated that variants are always less lethal and potent. I guess Delta kinda screwed up that angle

Was it Derpy, AJ, or Dr. Coronager? I forgot whom of Lit’s Typhoid Marys subscribed to this idea.

 

[ll74]

Was it Derpy, AJ, or Dr. Coronager? I forgot whom of Lit’s Typhoid Marys subscribed to this idea.

Not sure.

My doctor recommends vaccinations

So I guess he's just been swindled by the leftist demoNRats

 

[oggbashan]

What a load of crap in the OP. Gibraltar is attached to Southern Spain with thousands of people crossing the border each day, and Souther Spain has a low vaccination rate.

The vaccines do not stop you from catching Covid, but they reduce its seriousness, prevent many hospital admissions, and reduce the likelihood of death. However often you're vaccinated, you can still catch Covid.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

But, let us recall, the OP has stated in another thread, he is not a virologist, and doesn't really understand viruses.....but here he is spouting non truths, and half facts, all the while claiming knowledge.

I don't understand why GOF is even done. Yes, I hear the virologists say that they can make the viruses more deadly in order to develop vaccines ahead of time, but A-has anyone seen such a vaccine to date and B - what are the odds that a given virus will mutate into exactly what the GOF procedure has produced?

Note that I'm not a virologist, so these are honest questions, not rhetorical.

 

[Wrong Element]

I remember an earlier post which stated that variants are always less lethal and potent. I guess Delta kinda screwed up that angle

It's not actually that easy to gauge just how lethal Delta was compared with the earlier version of the virus, given that a lot of vaccinated people were able to survive it. It was certainly more contagious, but death tolls in the U.S. didn't come close to matching what we had last December and January.

Israel's Delta wave, which resulted in new highs in their number of Covid cases, did not result in anything like the number of deaths they were having in the pre-vaccine days, which is a bit of a blow to the "OMG The Vaccines Are Killing People MAGA Forever" crowd.

 

[ll74]

It's not actually that easy to gauge just how lethal Delta was compared with the earlier version of the virus, given that a lot of vaccinated people were able to survive it. It was certainly more contagious, but death tolls in the U.S. didn't come close to matching what we had last December and January.

Israel's Delta wave, which resulted in new highs in their number of Covid cases, did not result in anything like the number of deaths they were having in the pre-vaccine days, which is a bit of a blow to the "OMG The Vaccines Are Killing People MAGA Forever" crowd.

That doesnt prove that Delta wasnt more deadly. It proves that vaccinations work.

 

[oggbashan]

That doesnt prove that Delta wasnt more deadly. It proves that vaccinations work.

Mostt people know that. The OP doesn't.

 

[Rightguide]

The unspoken premise of the specious argument is "variants bad". Yes, the delta variant is moar lethal than the original coronavirus, but the alpha through charlie variants came and went and we're currently up to the weaksauce lambda variant with little to no effect.

Variants are a fact of life.

The unspoken premise is, the government is poisoning the American people both with their bullshit and the vaccine.

 

[oggbashan]

The unspoken premise is, the government is poisoning the American people both with their bullshit and the vaccine.

Neither of which are true, or if they are, so are almost ALL governments throughout the world.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The unspoken premise is, the government is poisoning the American people both with their bullshit and the vaccine.

Why would Trump do that?

 

[naughtymind]

Wow, you actually buy that? Just because some wing nut spouts off some politically motivated “theory” doesn’t mean that you should believe it. For starters: viruses mutate! That’s just what they do. They do not need any “additional pressure” from vaccines to do so! The more it spreads the more opportunities it has to mutate. The fact that we are seeing more and more variants is a big concern, as it is always possible that we could find ourselves dealing with a far more lethal variant at some point. The thing is that vaccines do help reduce those risks because they reduce transmission rates substantially. They also reduce hospitalization and death too! Pretty much a win win anyway you slice it.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

The unspoken premise is, the government is poisoning the American people both with their bullshit and the vaccine.

Unspoken? You whiny dumbfucks have been speaking up since Biden took over.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The unspoken premise is, the government is poisoning the American people both with their bullshit and the vaccine.

You mean the same vax that Cheeto and Melanoma took while they were in office grifting you and yours?

That doesnt prove that Delta wasnt more deadly. It proves that vaccinations work.

Mostt people know that. The OP doesn't.

https://c.tenor.com/BH4hfC1iP7wAAAAC/charles-reese-welcome-to-america.gif

Only the best and the brightest over here, Oggy!

 

[The_Trouvere]

I am not surprised that Republicans invent reasons for denying the efficacy of vaccines and face masks. They also invent reasons for denying the greenhouse effect.

Old people are most likely to die from COVID-19. Old white people usually vote Republican. I do not mourn the deaths from COVID-19 of anti vaxers who refused to get the vaccine.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Lol...I love this theory...one of my favs.

Vaccinations don't drive infections

The certainly don't seem to be preventing them, do they? How else do you explain the continued spread in areas with astronomically high vaccination rates, like Gibraltar and Israel, not to mention the US and UK?

 

[ll74]

The certainly don't seem to be preventing them, do they? How else do you explain the continued spread in areas with astronomically high vaccination rates, like Gibraltar and Israel, not to mention the US and UK?

They do prevent them, just not as much as we'd all like.

Infectiousnwss explains the spread. But it's still better than not being vaccinated, by far. You more than ten times less likely to be infected and less likely to be infectious by quite a bit.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

They do prevent them, just not as much as we'd all like.

Infectiousnwss explains the spread. But it's still better than not being vaccinated, by far. You more than ten times less likely to be infected and less likely to be infectious by quite a bit.

If that's all true, then we should be seeing cases drop off. We aren't.

The video explains the mechanism at work here, and while I can't claim to understand the biology behind it, the model of the Belgian chap does seem to fit what's going on better than what the CDC and others have predicted.

 

[oggbashan]

If that's all true, then we should be seeing cases drop off. We aren't.

The video explains the mechanism at work here, and while I can't claim to understand the biology behind it, the model of the Belgian chap does seem to fit what's going on better than what the CDC and others have predicted.

No we shouldn't. Vaccines don't stop infections. They mitigate the consequences.

Many more people are being tested particularly in the UK and Europe. More testing means more cases are found. If you don't look you don't see. In the UK we are finding more cases per day that we could test for in the first peak.

 

[ll74]

If that's all true, then we should be seeing cases drop off. We aren't.

The video explains the mechanism at work here, and while I can't claim to understand the biology behind it, the model of the Belgian chap does seem to fit what's going on better than what the CDC and others have predicted.

It's infectious as shit and half our population is unvaccinated.

You seriously don't give the virus enough respect...it's not the flu

Vaccinations aren't the problem, distrusting morons practicing freedumb and not taking the pandemic seriously are the problem