Sweden: The COVID Model

[Bud_Spencer]

Great analysis of Sweden's response to COVID and how they managed to weather the pandemic without destroying their society in the process:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/sweden-covid-media/2021/11/01/id/1042837/

In the final analysis, without locking down, without forced mask mandates, without destroying peoples’ financial health, without increases in isolation fueled suicides, without forcing the heart-breaking mandates resulting in many elderly individuals dying utterly and completely alone.

Despite all this, how did these evil, cold hearted science-denying Nordic monsters in the final analysis actually do?

It certainly appears they did just as well as everyone else did.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It certainly appears they did just as well as everyone else did.

Sweden is currently 34 in the world with 1,174,223 total cases of COVID. There have been 1,474 deaths per million in population. (15,006 total deaths)

Where as Finland, is currently 100 in the world, with 159,798 cases, and 211 deaths per million. (1170 total deaths)

Taiwan, who took some pretty early on steps ( way back in Dec of 2019) on preventing COVID has 16,421 total cases of COVID, and 688 deaths per million.(847 deaths total)

New Zealand, perhaps one of the most aggressive countries on COVID is 179th in the world, with 6,723 cases total of COVID and 6 deaths per million. (28 deaths total)


Last time I looked, Finland, Taiwan, and NZ were not in any economic disaster, and no raging ruin of their economies or societies....and a whole lot less dead citizens than Sweden.....100 X's the deaths as their neighbour is doing "just as well"?

By whom's definition is that.......

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Some nice cherries you found there. Gonna bake a pie?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Some nice cherries you found there. Gonna bake a pie?

Hey Idiot, you gave me the cherries.....so I guess you don't get to have any pie....*chuckles*

 

[Wrong Element]

A point that gets ignored a lot about Sweden is that "no mask mandates" is not at all the same thing as saying no one was wearing masks, or that no one changed their behavior. In fact, there was a lot of both.

Sweden also had some advantages re Covid when compared with other countries, the main one being their excellent health care system generally. Another advantage is that Sweden, along with Germany and the rest of Scandinavia, lead the world in the percentage of its population that lives alone, and homes are the place where more people get infected than anywhere else.

But the point remains: Sweden's main peer countries of Norway, Denmark, and Finland have had the lowest Covid death rates in all of continental Europe. Sweden has had nine times more deaths per capita than Norway.


Behavior matters. Vermont and Wyoming have about the same population, but Wyoming has had three times the number of Covid deaths.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Hey Idiot, you gave me the cherries.....so I guess you don't get to have any pie....*chuckles*

You picked Finland, Taiwan and New Zealand, not I. Why didn't you pick Belgium, France and Peru? Didn't like them cherries, bright boy?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

A point that gets ignored a lot about Sweden is that "no mask mandates" is not at all the same thing as saying no one was wearing masks, or that no one changed their behavior. In fact, there was a lot of both.

Sweden also had some advantages re Covid when compared with other countries, the main one being their excellent health care system generally. Another advantage is that Sweden, along with Germany and the rest of Scandinavia, lead the world in the percentage of its population that lives alone, and homes are the place where more people get infected than anywhere else.

But the point remains: Sweden's main peer countries of Norway, Denmark, and Finland have had the lowest Covid death rates in all of continental Europe. Sweden has had nine times more deaths per capita than Norway.


Behavior matters. Vermont and Wyoming have about the same population, but Wyoming has had three times the number of Covid deaths.

Indeed, it seems there is no correlation - much less causation - between lockdown and masking policy and COVID case and death rate.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You picked Finland, Taiwan and New Zealand, not I. Why didn't you pick Belgium, France and Peru? Didn't like them cherries, bright boy?

Why would I pick them? I used countries that took action on preventing the spread of COVID, unlike Sweden which didn't....wasn't that the whole point of your thread?
That Sweden did nothing,and it didn't come out too bad???? Well I guess 100X's the death rate of your next door neighbour ain't all that bad eh???

Belgium, 31 in the world, 1,360,650 total cases, 2,230 deaths per million,and 25,994 total deaths

France, 7th in the world, 7,168,743 total cases, 1,789 deaths per million, and 117.689 total deaths.

Peru 21st in the world 2,202,189 total cases, 5,986 deaths per million and 200,276 deaths total.

Canada 27th, in the world, 1,719,323 total cases, 760 deaths per million, and 29.036 total deaths.

USA #1 in the world....46,931,939 total cases, 140,687 deaths per million, and 767,442 total deaths

PS I put in Canada and the USA just for you....

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Indeed, it seems there is no correlation - much less causation - between lockdown and masking policy and COVID case and death rate.

Obviously you are an EE, and not a person who deals with Statistics.....otherwise you would see how patently wrong you are....*chuckles*

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Why would I pick them? I used countries that took action on preventing the spread of COVID, unlike Sweden which didn't....wasn't that the whole point of your thread?
That Sweden did nothing,and it didn't come out too bad???? Well I guess 100X's the death rate of your next door neighbour ain't all that bad eh???

Belgium, 31 in the world, 1,360,650 total cases, 2,230 deaths per million,and 25,994 total deaths

France, 7th in the world, 7,168,743 total cases, 1,789 deaths per million, and 117.689 total deaths.

Peru 21st in the world 2,202,189 total cases, 5,986 deaths per million and 200,276 deaths total.

Canada 27th, in the world, 1,719,323 total cases, 760 deaths per million, and 29.036 total deaths.

USA #1 in the world....46,931,939 total cases, 140,687 deaths per million, and 767,442 total deaths

PS I put in Canada and the USA just for you....

Odd that you would post ordinals based on something other than those normalized to population. It's rather....deceptive, no?

And if you will recall, the US, France, Belgium, the UK, Italy all had draconian lockdowns and mandates, yet all have more deaths per capita than Sweden. If you want to draw a line through that, Fuzz, it's going to be sloping upwards. Ive done enough stepwise multilinear regression models to not know that

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Obviously you are an EE, and not a person who deals with Statistics.....otherwise you would see how patently wrong you are....*chuckles*

Keep it up, you're batting 1.000.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Odd that you would post ordinals based on something other than those normalized to population. It's rather....deceptive, no?

Deceptive? Where,When, How, and Why....maybe in your mind.

And if you will recall, the US, France, Belgium, the UK, Italy all had draconian lockdowns and mandates, yet all have more deaths per capita than Sweden. If you want to draw a line through that, Fuzz, it's going to be sloping upwards. Ive done enough stepwise multilinear regression models to not know that

Italy had the only draconian lock-down compared to France,Belgium and the UK. When they implemented it on March 9th 2020 ( the first western country to truly lock-down too BTW) they went down from #1 CFR and total deaths in the world.

By April 9th they had controlled the spread, and slowly moved out of lock-down. There is ample evidence which shows the lock-downs helped control the virus, when there were next to no other options on the table.

I am sorry you don't understand Statistics, but that is your problem, not mine.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Deceptive? Where,When, How, and Why....maybe in your mind.

Yes, deceptive. How is France 7th and Peru 21st when Peru's deaths per million is more than three time that of France?

Only if you're looking at something other than the normalized death number, aka, deceiving.

Italy had the only draconian lock-down compared to France,Belgium and the UK. When they implemented it on March 9th 2020 ( the first western country to truly lock-down too BTW) they went down from #1 CFR and total deaths in the world.

By April 9th they had controlled the spread, and slowly moved out of lock-down. There is ample evidence which shows the lock-downs helped control the virus, when there were next to no other options on the table.

I am sorry you don't understand Statistics, but that is your problem, not mine.

France, by March of this year, was already into its third lockdown. Belgium also had a strict lockdown, along with Spain, the UK and others whose per-million death rates are all worse than Sweden's.

And in my world, when a death rate line slopes upward when placed on an X-axis of lockdown severity and duration, that's not kind to your argument.

But since math is racist, statistics must be too, so can I ask if you're using some new statistics that are approved for use around the indians left once you guys got done killing and oppressing them?

 

[phrodeau]

Fake news about Sweden? Sounds familiar.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ats-happening-in-sweden-sweden-asks-wait-what

 

[ll74]

Yes, deceptive. How is France 7th and Peru 21st when Peru's deaths per million is more than three time that of France?

Only if you're looking at something other than the normalized death number, aka, deceiving.

Not deceiving....the ranking was immediately followed by the case count, making it easily discernible what the relations are.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yes, deceptive. How is France 7th and Peru 21st when Peru's deaths per million is more than three time that of France?

Only if you're looking at something other than the normalized death number, aka, deceiving.?

So you are really too stupid to understand where the ranking comes from??? Well perhaps if you moved outside your ONAN bubble you might see....

Here is a link for you....
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

There are a lot of others too, but I won't suggest you go to the CDC....or WHO...*chuckles*

 

[Bud_Spencer]

So you are really too stupid to understand where the ranking comes from??? Well perhaps if you moved outside your ONAN bubble you might see....

Here is a link for you....
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

There are a lot of others too, but I won't suggest you go to the CDC....or WHO...*chuckles*

Exactly the one I was looking at, too. When sorted for normalized deaths per million, Sweden is #54. No mandates. No lockdowns. Other nations that had both, and strict ones at that, have much higher rates. But that's not what you cherry-picked, nooooo.

It's pretty easy to see that the lockdowns and mask mandates had no effect on COVID. None. They did give clench-fisted pricks reason to lord over us, though.

 

[Lazaran]

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Pud is getting his dumb ass kicked AGAIN.

It must be a day of the week.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

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Pud is getting his dumb ass kicked AGAIN.

It must be a day of the week.

The best Fuzzy has done is accuse me of not knowing statistics, which I can assure you is not the case. He's gone downhill from there.

 

[Lazaran]

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Sweden's "apples to apples" neighbors who took more proactive measures to combat Covid fared far better than Sweden.

The realities of Sweden's top notch healthcare system, Covid prevention measures, and percentage of Swedes who live alone have also been cited, and STILL Sweden fared worse than its "apples to apples" neighbors.

I wonder why???

 

[Bud_Spencer]

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Sweden's "apples to apples" neighbors who took more proactive measures to combat Covid fared far better than Sweden.

The realities of Sweden's top notch healthcare system, Covid prevention measures, and percentage of Swedes who live alone have also been cited, and STILL Sweden fared worse than its "apples to apples" neighbors.

I wonder why???

The article talks about that. Sweden was much more scrupulous about tracking COVID deaths than other nations, for one.