Kyle Rittenhouse Case Analysis....arrival on scene as a criminal

[WillJ8787]

Source:
https://outlook.monmouth.edu/2020/09/an-analysis-of-kenosha-shooting-suspect-s-motives/

Unfortunately for Kyle, he wasn't legally allowed to own or carry an assault rifle so he will likely be referred to a "criminal" much like the defense will refer to the murdered victims as "criminals of sorts" or "rioters and/or looters".

And, it is sad that he was so thoroughly deceived by the forces of far right propaganda that had him most likely believing he was doing the right thing.

"....Research Team Lead for the Gender Development Lab, believes his intention going in that night was not to kill, but she believes that his influence had a lot to do with the culture he surrounds himself with. 

“He is so consumed with white supremacy and pro-gun rights, and extreme conservative views. I think he genuinely thought he was doing the right thing, and in a sense thought he was fighting back, but in reality, he was not at all,” said Cooper."

 

[WillJ8787]

Source:
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...tle-use-of-force-experts-at-rittenhouse-trial

"Schroeder also denied Binger's request to bar the defense from referring to Rosenbaum, Huber and Grosskreutz as rioters, looters or arsonists. The judge said those terms would be allowed if the defense can produce evidence showing that's what they were."
....if the defense can prove it it will be allowed....good luck with that.I bet they skip that all together.

"Binger asked Schroeder to bar a video that shows police telling Rittenhouse and other armed militia members on the streets that they appreciated their presence and tossing Rittenhouse a bottle of water. The prosecutor said the video would transform the trial into a referendum on police procedure that night when it isn't relevant.

“This is a case about what the defendant did that night,” Binger said. “I'm concerned this will be turned into a trial about what law enforcement did or didn't do that night.”
....damn right it will, it already has. Given this, I think Rep. Ohmar may be correct and if this case does not produce a guilty verdict....we all know what will be coming.

 

[WillJ8787]

And this is very interesting....

Source:https://www.wpr.org/jury-wont-hear-evidence-kyle-rittenhouses-proud-boys-connections

"In a hearing Friday, Kenosha County Circuit Court Judge Bruce Schroeder withheld a final decision on whether he would admit evidence that Rittenhouse said two weeks before the shootings that he wished he had his gun so he could shoot criminals. But Schroeder said he found the circumstance of those statements by Rittenhouse "so dissimilar" to the crimes he is accused of that Schroeder likely wouldn't allow that evidence in the trial.

Prosecutors argued the evidence was "crucial" to their case as Rittenhouse's statements would illuminate his state of mind on the night of the shootings. The video, which is available online, shows Rittenhouse witnessing alleged shoplifters at a CVS drug store and saying if he had his gun he would "start shooting rounds" at them."

 

[pecksniff]

There's a Gender Development Lab?!

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Back here on Planet Earth, people who know what they're talking about in use-of-force situations say KR was perfectly justified

”A citizen in that position, given those indicators, would it be reasonable for them to believe they were about to be assaulted? I would argue yes,” police use-of-force expert John Black, who was called by Rittenhouse’s lawyers, said on the witness stand.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/05/kyle-rittenhouse-in-court-for-likely-final-motion-hearing/

 

[WillJ8787]

Back here on Planet Earth, people who know what they're talking about in use-of-force situations say KR was perfectly justified

”A citizen in that position, given those indicators, would it be reasonable for them to believe they were about to be assaulted? I would argue yes,” police use-of-force expert John Black, who was called by Rittenhouse’s lawyers, said on the witness stand.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/05/kyle-rittenhouse-in-court-for-likely-final-motion-hearing/

A reasonable person does not go charging into a situation like what was happening that night....not with a gun, not ever. Your sense of what's reasonable is far from what most folks would consider reasonable.

But, At least you have the balls to engage in the discussion in spite of a lot of facts showing Mr. Rittenhouse was at fault in many ways....silence from the ball less crowd.

 

[WillJ8787]

Not one dipshit supporter of Mr Rittenhouse is gonna come to his aid.... blahahahaha!

Gotta love how easy this was to quiet the white nationalist down.

 

[Cubantripod]

A reasonable person does not go charging into a situation like what was happening that night....not with a gun, not ever. Your sense of what's reasonable is far from what most folks would consider reasonable.

But, At least you have the balls to engage in the discussion in spite of a lot of facts showing Mr. Rittenhouse was at fault in many ways....silence from the ball less crowd.

You make a leap in logic. Simply having a gun doesn't mean you're looking for trouble. We give cops guns because they are put in bad situations. That doesn't mean they want to kill someone. Millions of people conceal carry. That doesn't mean they look for a reason to use it.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

You make a leap in logic. Simply having a gun doesn't mean you're looking for trouble. We give cops guns because they are put in bad situations. That doesn't mean they want to kill someone. Millions of people conceal carry. That doesn't mean they look for a reason to use it.

Except that he went there looking for trouble, so theres that.

 

[Cubantripod]

Except that he went there looking for trouble, so theres that.

Not only do you have to prove it, you've now made your job as a prosecutor harder.

 

[Lazaran]

Except that he went there looking for trouble, so theres that.

Premeditated.

The baby faced killer purposefully made clandestine arrangements to procure his murder stick to circumvent/ avoid state and federal laws.

The fact that the little fucker was indoctrinated into the white nationalist hate movement and their gun culture supports the conclusion that his motivations were anything but peaceful.

The criminal went illegally armed into a highly charged environment anticipating a fight, then paraded / "patrolled" up and down the streets drawing attention to himself which prompted a confrontation that turned deadly.

He is hardly innocent.

 

[jomar]

Back here on Planet Earth, people who know what they're talking about in use-of-force situations say KR was perfectly justified

”A citizen in that position, given those indicators, would it be reasonable for them to believe they were about to be assaulted? I would argue yes,” police use-of-force expert John Black, who was called by Rittenhouse’s lawyers, said on the witness stand.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/05/kyle-rittenhouse-in-court-for-likely-final-motion-hearing/

Lol, the video shows KR being harassed by people running by him and taking swipes, not advancing menacingly to give him a beat down and take his life. And I’ve yet to see reliable confirmation that one of the guys near him actually had a pistol.

Your expert collected some monay, is all. Dude was a 17yo wannabe with a fantasy who panicked and fucked up. I bet they found a shitton of FPS video games and menacing TikTok clips. And a MAGA hat to boot!

 

[Bud_Spencer]

A reasonable person does not go charging into a situation like what was happening that night....not with a gun, not ever. Your sense of what's reasonable is far from what most folks would consider reasonable.

But, At least you have the balls to engage in the discussion in spite of a lot of facts showing Mr. Rittenhouse was at fault in many ways....silence from the ball less crowd.

KR didn't "charge into" anything. He was providing much-needed security against criminal gangs who had spent two nights destroying Kenosha. That is his right. Thats not only reasonable, it's laudable.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Except that he went there looking for trouble, so theres that.

Untrue. Demonsrably.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Lol, the video shows KR being harassed by people running by him and taking swipes, not advancing menacingly to give him a beat down and take his life. And I’ve yet to see reliable confirmation that one of the guys near him actually had a pistol.

Your expert collected some monay, is all. Dude was a 17yo wannabe with a fantasy who panicked and fucked up. I bet they found a shitton of FPS video games and menacing TikTok clips. And a MAGA hat to boot!

KR was fleeing from the first thug when he shot him. As he was being pursued by the thug, a different rioter discharged a pistol at him from farther away, right at the street.

He was being chased by more rioters and assaulted by several of them, including one who hit him in the head with a skateboard and another with a semi-auto pistol. The photos are easily found on the internet.

 

[pecksniff]

You make a leap in logic. Simply having a gun doesn't mean you're looking for trouble.

It does mean exactly that if you're going into a riot. Even doing that unarmed would be looking for trouble.

 

[pecksniff]

KR didn't "charge into" anything. He was providing much-needed security against criminal gangs who had spent two nights destroying Kenosha. That is his right. Thats not only reasonable, it's laudable.

It is neither. You don't do that unless officially deputized by law enforcement. If you do, it's vigilantism, and no law enforcement agency in the country wants to encourage or even tolerate that, and neither does the law.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

It does mean exactly that if you're going into a riot. Even doing that unarmed would be looking for trouble.

He didn't "go into" anything. He was helping to guard businesses under threat of arson and looting by the mob. KR is the victim here.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

It is neither. You don't do that unless officially deputized by law enforcement. If you do, it's vigilantism, and no law enforcement agency in the country wants to encourage or even tolerate that, and neither does the law.

There is video of cops thanking KR and his friends for supplementing the police that night. The cops knew KR was on the side of the law, and the mob on the other.

 

[pecksniff]

There is video of cops thanking KR and his friends for supplementing the police that night. The cops knew KR was on the side of the law, and the mob on the other.

Then those cops need to be fired. Haven't they been already?!

 

[CornusKousa]

It does mean exactly that if you're going into a riot.

Not at all.

You mother fuckers don't seem to understand being armed isn't actually a crime and any law that tries to make it one is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Just like any law that tries to censor speech or tell you what god to worship.... fuck you.

Even doing that unarmed would be looking for trouble.

No..... it's the rioters and the lefty terrorist who are looking for trouble.

Not the people defending their lives and livelihoods from the terrorist scum.

Just a shame KR didn't have a QRF to get on line and give him supporting fire and flanking elements.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Not at all.

You mother fuckers don't seem to understand being armed isn't actually a crime and any law that tries to make it one is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Just like any law that tries to censor speech or tell you what god to worship.... fuck you.



No..... it's the rotors and the terrorist who are looking for trouble.

Not the people defending their lives and livelihoods from the terrorist scum.

So people can yell fire in a crowded theatre?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Then those cops need to be fired. Haven't they been already?!

Of course not. The whole department was overburdened and grateful for law-biding citizens helping contain the mob.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Third rioter shot by the heroic lad. He still hadn't dropped his hog leg:

https://celebritiesmajor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/ccelebritiesar-us-rittenhousearmed2-comp-820x360.jpg

 

[CornusKousa]

So people can yell fire in a crowded theatre?

Sure, why not?

Today, despite the "crowded theater" quote's legal irrelevance, advocates of censorship have not stopped trotting it out as thefinal word on the lawful limits of the First Amendment. As Rottman wrote, for this reason, it's "worse than useless in defining the boundaries of constitutional speech. When used metaphorically, it can be deployed against any unpopular speech." Worse, its advocates are tacitly endorsing one of the broadest censorship decisions ever brought down by the Court. It is quite simply, as Ken White calls it, "the most famous and pervasive lazy cheat in American dialogue about free speech."

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...g-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/