"No one wants to work": the enduring lie from Deplorable business owners & others
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Personally, I think this is an ideal time for workers in jobs we suddenly realized are so much more important to us than that of a CEO or nonappearing board member of a tech company to push home the demand to make a living wage--and maybe the CEOs of the world can bring home a bit less.
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Feel free to buck up.
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Why do they think anyone intelligent buys it?
They want to work - just not for you.
Cry the "we want free shit" crowd of welfare queens.....LOL
Neither you nor your tribe will define "living wage" because it's a meaningless term.
I'm sure it would not be difficult to calculate the annual income needed to provide housing, utilities, food and clothing for a family of four, nor even for one person.
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It's only a matter of time - and not too far away, that small business owners unwilling to pay a fair wage, will start to demand that Biden opens up the southern border to all that really cheap labour.
Be interesting to see how they spin it.
Be interesting to see how they spin it.
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Fair pay doesn't need to.handle that.whole boat of laundry items there. When you're an entry level drive thru clerk, then you get paid less.
The problem is that those people get paid the same amount I got paid back then without any adjustment for the value of the dollar. I could afford a nice apartment,cheap meals for a week and a few nights out...no way in hell they can afford that now....
There comes a point where you're not getting paid enough, even for menial work, than makes sense in regards to living. .
Nobody wants to work to work more.
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It's only a matter of time - and not too far away, that small business owners unwilling to pay a fair wage, will start to demand that Biden opens up the southern border to all that really cheap labour.
Be interesting how they spin it.
I'd say that, Trump, who isn't being able to get his grapes harvested at his Virginia winery might be one of the first to fold up on that except that he started trying to get exemptions for bringing non-American seasonal workers up from the south two years ago.
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When government pays you not to work, this is what happens.
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Thanks for bringing in the demonstration of the thread topic.
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At what level?
Cuz you can get all that on 8/hr.
You might not like it, it's not going to be in fuckin' Malibu...but you can get it.
Boom.
He's not wrong though.
Not even in Montana.
Technological unemployment is going to make that inevitable sooner or later.
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Great idea, let's kill off businesses by making labor so scarce and expensive that they go belly-up. What a super policy! Then we can convince ourselves that it'd happen anyway in a few years....maybe...because the government is so good at forecasting.
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From what I've seen roughly a third of the workers in restaurants and hospitality found new jobs in other industries. Replacing them isn't going to be easy - especially since they are shitty, low paying, under appreciated jobs.
From what I've seen roughly a third of the workers in restaurants and hospitality found new jobs in other industries. Replacing them isn't going to be easy - especially since they are shitty, low paying, under appreciated jobs.
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At the level I got for working the same job in 1980
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Cut the welfare off, problem will fix itself practically immediately.
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It's only a matter of time - and not too far away, that small business owners unwilling to pay a fair wage, will start to demand that Biden opens up the southern border to all that really cheap labour.
Be interesting to see how they spin it.
Bingo!!
Not sure that I entirely understood the nuance or your political stance on that
but as I interpreted it, it summarizes perfectly the self-defeating vicious circle of both the current market AND the L and R thinking.
And also, what's been happening in Australia and NZ is very similar to the US,
only that instead of illegal immigrants, they use temporary seasonal workers from Phillipines.
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One of the vicious circles that happens, imo:
Jobs in construction, fruit picking and rest homes are plenty, but they don't get filled in by locals.
Why?
Half of it has to do with the "laziness" that CornusKousa mentions (aka either moochers preferring to stay on benefit, or people avoiding Amazon Warehouse type jobs: minimum wage, double the normal workload).
BUT it also has to do with the fact that some employers post them for show, to appease govt. regulations that would penalize them for increasing the workload of their employees.
They keep declining locals for several months 'lack of experience or whatever, which buys them money. Yet they still end up hiring South Asians and Pacificas on temporary visas, due to 'workers shortage.'
Many business owners prefer Philipinos, South Americans etc to 'Whites' because they often come from abjectly poor rural islands, with no running water and low literacy, so they are willing to put up with absurd workloads and don't demand their rights aka wage increase that parallels their workloads.
Which drives wages down for Western-born locals, ---Jeff Bezos Amazon-warehouse workers style-- and partially contributes to the rise in xenophobia.
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Now I cannot fully blame small to medium business owners for overworking & underpaying their citizen-holding employees and for the Philipinos/Kiribatis/South American illegals ponzi scheme that keeps wages down.
How could they survive otherwise or make a profit otherwise?
Now I know my long rant will be
-- tedious to read due to my poor written E
--and simplistic-sounding for to those who know economics .
But PLEASE READ IT, it can be the springboard to an interesting discussion.
Because those are not my ideas, that's how 90% of us laypeople view the conundrums of our political and economic system.
The "free market competitive self-regulation" touted by Conservative posters on the GB is utopian bullshit,
The altruism of the GB liberals who want to help the poor and poc while supporting illegal immigrants at the same time, is utopian bullshit,
-- tedious to read due to my poor written E
--and simplistic-sounding for to those who know economics .
But PLEASE READ IT, it can be the springboard to an interesting discussion.
Because those are not my ideas, that's how 90% of us laypeople view the conundrums of our political and economic system.
The "free market competitive self-regulation" touted by Conservative posters on the GB is utopian bullshit,
The altruism of the GB liberals who want to help the poor and poc while supporting illegal immigrants at the same time, is utopian bullshit,
And yet, there is more than enough wealth to go around.
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Why do they think anyone intelligent buys it?
They want to work - just not for you.
As expected, you haven’t a clue what’s going on in the real world, fucking Headline Reader!
