Covid is NOT an engineered virus

[pecksniff]

All this shit I keep reading about Dr. Fauci and the Wuhan lab and "gain function" is completely irrelevant to the problem.

 

[Champakian]

You might want to avoid declarative statements in the future.



Unless, of course, you have the bonafides to absolutely prove your contention.



(Or are just so full of political bias and animus that you just want to create confrontation.)

 

[ll74]

I agree with the above Certainly most evidence supports it, but there's a very slight chance you could be wrong

 

[Champakian]

Does it matter of they were engaging in gain "of" function
or just found it in the wild prior to its sloppy release by the lab?

And that is not declarative but deductive reasoning since the virus
did not arise out of the bat's natural habitat but in the vicinity of the lab.

It would seem, with the Communist Chinese proclivity to propaganda that
the wet market was nothing more than a convenient local scapegoat.

 

[bellisarius]

The OP seems to be conflating 'engineered' and 'gain of function' into the same meaning and they have quite separate meanings.

'Engineered' would be literal gene splicing. The replacement of gene segments with material from another organism.

'Gain of function' is lab induced accelerated mutations leading to a more potent version of the same organism much as we are observing with the various mutations that the Wuhan Flu virus is undergoing now. 'Gain of function' can take place in the lab either purposely or spontaneously due to sloppy lab technique/controls.

The case for 'gain of function' having occurred in that lab is growing daily. Their is still NO evidence of a host in the wild for the original Wuhan Flu or any of it's variants. That fact ties the virus directly to a lab based release of the virus. That statement does NOT imply the release was purposeful. The fact that the outbreak was centered around the lab actually creates a strong argument that the release was accidental.

In other news we now find out that the Gates Foundation was as deeply tied into that lab and it's research as NIH was. Way to go Billy.

A few days ago the Peoples Daily, the official mouthpiece of the CCP, came out and declared that the Wuhan Flu was created as a bio-weapon by the US Army and unleashed on the Chinese people. They are laying the groundwork for a casus belli with the Chinese people.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I had wondered how long it'd be before Teh Usual Suspects showed up to lecture us on "gain of function".

 

[God_Above]

Yes, it was engi8neered. By me. To reduce the human worm plaguing my garden. Use dewormer. I command it.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

The US released the virus in china and it backfired.

 

[Dribble]

There is zero percent chance it was engineered. There is a slight chance it escaped...along the probability of me walking outside and being struck by lightning 3 times.

Again...there is a zero percent chance it was engineered. This is provable. See...we don't raise viruses we create. Not in the virus form. We extract interesting pieces of RNA and insert them into another virus that preys on viruses known as a bacteriophage. There are technical reasons we do this. But mostly...it is to control mutation. See...it does nothing to create something and have it mutate to something else. Waste of time and money. Anyway...back to why it is not engineered. You can't move RNA...or DNA...without leaving traces of the restriction and ligation points. Again...it is technical. But it can not be done without leaving fingerprints it was done. The virus has been sequenced millions of times. No evidence of ligation points. Zero.

Could it have escaped from the lab? See...we know that a sample of the virus was collected from a bat cave well over 20 years ago. We store those samples in -80 freezers. Viruses go dormant at those temps. So it doesn't mutate...it stays there...in the original form. But see, as a whole, covid is not the killer virus people write about. It is interesting. But all mortality and transmission could have been mitigated if stupid people wore masks. The protocols labs use to handle viruses is the same...exactly. The same protocols to handle covid are used for viruses with 80% mortality. So those that work in labs are very careful. And there is usually 2 to 3 barriers it must escape from. Could what happen in The Stand happened here? No. Because there was no reason to fear covid.

Let's be clear. The same people are touting cow wormer. Need I say more?

 

[mayfly13]

'Gain of function' is lab induced accelerated mutations leading to a more potent version of the same organism much as we are observing with the various mutations that the Wuhan Flu virus is undergoing now. 'Gain of function' can take place in the lab either purposely or spontaneously due to sloppy lab technique/controls.

yup. I might have gotten it wrong? , but the common cold and influenza (RNA viruses) didn't become more infectious with each mutation.

There is still NO evidence of a host in the wild for the original Wuhan Flu or any of it's variants. That fact ties the virus directly to a lab based release of the virus. That statement does NOT imply the release was purposeful.

as suggested on this side of the pond, at least:
Australian scientists built last year a computer models of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and key ACE2 protein receptors for humans and 12 animal species.

"Humans showed the strongest spike binding, consistent with the high susceptibility to the virus, but very surprising if an animal was the initial source of the infection in humans,"
---La Trobe University Professor David Winkler.
"Hence, if the virus has a natural source, it could only have come to humans via an intermediary species which has yet to be found," But it cannot yet be excluded that it was released accidently from a virology lab. A thorough scientific, evidence-based investigation is needed to determine which of these explanations is correct."
---Flinders affiliated Professor Nikolai Petrovsky.​

They are also working on different type of vaccine -- COVAX 19 -- based on that theory, fingers crossed:
https://theconversation.com/what-is...maining-local-covid-vaccine-candidates-162347

In other news we now find out that the Gates Foundation was as deeply tied into that lab and it's research as NIH was. Way to go Billy.

Ahem... That's why they were so keen to suppress any scientific debate re an alternative origins,
by conflating them with Alex Jones nutcases
under the common label of "conspiracy theorists".

 

[pecksniff]

The lab leak theory is falling apart.

 

[jaF0]

Yo, PeckerSniffer ......


https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1551391

 

[Rightguide]

The lab leak theory is falling apart.

Turd polishing BS.

 

[Dribble]

The lab leak theory is falling apart.

It is highly unlikely. None of these naysayers ever worked in a lab with viruses. I have. The protocols are fucking insane. The only way it "could" have happened was during the transfer process...not because of the virus...but because the transport was already sick. The samples from the food bazaar...remember the source where the infection first took off?...someone collected those samples. Someone transported those samples. If they were exposed...and asymptomatic...it is possible...but still unlikely...but very possible...they infected the lab.

These morons saying it was "engineered" simply will believe anything...especially when it allows their racist views to blossom

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Turd polishing BS.

Is that what the mypillow guy thinks too, klownguide?

 

[mayfly13]

dribble,
yes, none of us understand these things as you do,

but I based my assertions on what some reputable Australian scientists said.
Add to them the voices of of Allen Rodrigo, Professor of Biological Sciences, University of Auckland, and such.

They're saying that a lab leak is quite POSSIBLE too,
and that it needs to be investigated too, alongside other theories
instead of shutting any debate with the "conspiratory theories" stuff.

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

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[mayfly13]

oh boy, exactly what we needed to get credence.

Support from the memes-posting moron.

 

[mayfly13]

It is highly unlikely. None of these naysayers ever worked in a lab with viruses. I have. The protocols are fucking insane. The only way it "could" have happened was during the transfer process...not because of the virus...but because the transport was already sick. The samples from the food bazaar...remember the source where the infection first took off?...someone collected those samples. Someone transported those samples. If they were exposed...and asymptomatic...it is possible...but still unlikely...but very possible...they infected the lab.

These morons saying it was "engineered" simply will believe anything...especially when it allows their racist views to blossom

look, I don't understand these things,
but this guy says that lab leaks ARE possible.


The COVID-19 lab-leak hypothesis is plausible because accidents happen. I should know
Allen Rodrigo
Professor and Head, The School of Biological Sciences, University of Auckland

https://theconversation.com/the-cov...because-accidents-happen-i-should-know-162430

 

[Rightguide]

look, I don't understand these things,
but this guy says that lab leaks ARE possible.


The COVID-19 lab-leak hypothesis is plausible because accidents happen. I should know
Allen Rodrigo
Professor and Head, The School of Biological Sciences, University of Auckland

https://theconversation.com/the-cov...because-accidents-happen-i-should-know-162430

You are right. They are obfuscating the facts of the evolution and transmission of Covid 19 to avoid political retribution. As has been stated, "gain of function research" which did occur, is the genetic modification of a virus to make it more deadly for research purposes. The experimentation did occur in a lab with connections to the Chinese Military, and a vaccine was being studied at the time as if they knew it was going to be unleashed upon the public.

 

[bellisarius]

It is highly unlikely. None of these naysayers ever worked in a lab with viruses. I have. The protocols are fucking insane. The only way it "could" have happened was during the transfer process...not because of the virus...but because the transport was already sick. The samples from the food bazaar...remember the source where the infection first took off?...someone collected those samples. Someone transported those samples. If they were exposed...and asymptomatic...it is possible...but still unlikely...but very possible...they infected the lab.

These morons saying it was "engineered" simply will believe anything...especially when it allows their racist views to blossom

I have also been in those type labs, both Ft. Deatrick and NIH. I am WELL aware of the protocols and procedures associated with entry and exit as well as those in place in the actual lab areas.

I have also been to China and I can say without any reservation that the Chinese are sloppy. Over the years they have poisoned our children, our pets, our homes, and God only knows what else. Their buildings are poorly built with poor quality material. All of this is in the interest of saving time, money, and in many occasions out and out graft. Safety is NOT first in the Chinese society.

I don't find the notion that one or more of those lab workers might have become infected in situ and walked out to spread it around, unknowingly, surprising in the least. In the absence of finding a wild source for the virus that scenario actually becomes the most likely case.

Re. your comment about being stored for 50 years or more. That flies in the face of all known evidence and official statements regarding THIS virus.

 

[zipman]

You are right. They are obfuscating the facts of the evolution and transmission of Covid 19 to avoid political retribution. As has been stated, "gain of function research" which did occur, is the genetic modification of a virus to make it more deadly for research purposes. The experimentation did occur in a lab with connections to the Chinese Military, and a vaccine was being studied at the time as if they knew it was going to be unleashed upon the public.

Lol, I think your tin foil hat is on a little too tight.

 

[Rightguide]

Lol, I think your tin foil hat is on a little too tight.

I think you're ignorant of the truth on the subject but had to find something to say.

 

[BidudeinWi]

All this shit I keep reading about Dr. Fauci and the Wuhan lab and "gain function" is completely irrelevant to the problem.

It was made more dangerous to humans at the CCP’S Wuhan Bio-Warfare Lab! FAUCI’S NIH indirectly funded that research, Fauci knew it and is on record defending the “gain of function” research! Unless you have your head up your ass, or listen/watch the fully discredited Don Lemon, Brian Steltzer, Moscow Maddow, Chris “It’s just Pat” Hayes or Larry “who’s fucking hammering” O’Dumbell, you’d fucking know that!

 

[GeorgeSoros]

Turd polishing BS.

Reichguide knows all about polishing turds.