What ever happened to Anarchism?

[pecksniff]

There was a time it was an actual thing. People were scared of Anner-kists. They assassinated several kings and PMs and President McKinley -- seems naive in hindsight to try to bring down the state that way, but they called it "propaganda of the deed."

The Spanish Revolution of 1936 was Anarcho-Syndicalist -- every workers' and peasants' collective was autonomous, not controlled by the state or any political party (yes, there has been such a thing IRL as an "autonomous collective"). That is why the Republic ultimately crushed it -- they depended on Stalin for military aid in the Civil War, and he didn't like that kind of revolution at all -- he was committed to the Leninist model, where the state owns and manages the productive property and the Communist Party controls the state.

Now and then one sees an "A" in a circle, and that's about the whole of Anarchism's legacy, now, so far as I can see. Well, that and filker Leslie Fish.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

There was a time it was an actual thing. People were scared of Anner-kists. They assassinated several kings and PMs and President McKinley -- seems naive in hindsight to try to bring down the state that way, but they called it "propaganda of the deed."

The Spanish Revolution of 1936 was Anarcho-Syndicalist -- every workers' and peasants' collective was autonomous, not controlled by the state or any political party (yes, there has been such a thing IRL as an "autonomous collective"). That is why the Republic ultimately crushed it -- they depended on Stalin for military aid in the Civil War, and he didn't like that kind of revolution at all -- he was committed to the Leninist model, where the state owns and manages the productive property and the Communist Party controls the state.

Now and then one sees an "A" in a circle, and that's about the whole of Anarchism's legacy, now, so far as I can see. Well, that and filker Leslie Fish.

I don't know but I assumed they were very involved last summer, maybe not.

 

[pecksniff]

I don't know but I assumed they were very involved last summer, maybe not.

No, but that reminds me of a certain number of window-smashing "Anarchists" who were present at the protests of the WTO conference in Seattle in 1999.

 

[pecksniff]

N.B.: Anarchists are not extreme Libertarians. The two things are completely different. Anarchism is a leftist tradition closely associated with Marxism. In a nutshell, Libertarians oppose the state because they see it as a threat to private property, and Anarchists oppose the state because they see it as a guardian of private property. (And both are right -- the state can be either depending on circumstances.)

There are also, now, some people who call themselves "Anarcho-Capitalists," and they are kinda extreme Libertarians.

 

[rae121452]

they became a very popular logo on shoes, patches, etc.

 

[pecksniff]

they became a very popular logo on shoes, patches, etc.

Yeah, yeah. Punks wannabe edgy. That ain't no political movement.

 

[rae121452]

Yeah, yeah. Punks wannabe edgy. That ain't no political movement.

and that's what happened to it. i sure someone in napa valley is already planning a dry white called 'anarchy'.

 

[pecksniff]

and that's what happened to it. i sure someone in napa valley is already planning a dry white called 'anarchy'.

Which will probably be very good -- without posing any threat to private property.

 

[CornusKousa]

N.B.: Anarchists are not extreme Libertarians.

In practice that's exactly what they are.

The two things are completely different. Anarchism is a leftist tradition closely associated with Marxism. In a nutshell, Libertarians oppose the state because they see it as a threat to private property, and Anarchists oppose the state because they see it as a guardian of private property. (And both are right -- the state can be either depending on circumstances.)

Exactly, leftist might have tried to co-op it because some of them are fucking retarded enough to think it would result in the leftist utopia.

But what ACTUALLY happens in anarchy???

An ultra-brutal cut throat tribalistic model emerges...arguably the most savage of RW libertarian (but not really) ideals. And every shred of anything that might be considered left goes out the fucking window, every fucking time.

Anarchism is inherently right wing because it results in hierarchy, every time, there is no equity in anarchy. Just tribalistic fighting and never ending warfare.

Afghanistan is a great example of actual anarchy, so was Somalia in the 90's.

Hardly the leftist ideal.

There are also, now, some people who call themselves "Anarcho-Capitalists," and they are kinda extreme Libertarians.

No, those are just laissez faire capitalist.

And there is nothing really extreme about them.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I don't know but I assumed they were very involved last summer, maybe not.

Klantifa are big-government anarchists.