A comparison of crime in US cities...get your facts straight

[CornusKousa]

I know one thing for sure,, where ever you live is a shit hole place because it is near you and your loathsome, negative, racist and politically.bankrupt opinions.

You have added nothing but your rants to the discussion. Take your bullshit somewhere else and let other folks that have something that matters to say, say it.

Shut the fuck up!

Awww someone doesn't like a different view.

Want me to shut the fuck up? Make me you impotent cuck.

 

[Lazaran]

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Ramona pretends that there haven't been deplorables inside and outside of government who have actively obstructed and thwarted progressive lawmakers efforts to redress the insult and injuries perpetrated on systemically disenfranchised Americans. Those perpetuators of the corrupt status quo have constantly been rowing the wrong direction, throwing out anchors, and building dams, to stop the ship of social and economic justice from reaching its destination.

That reality perfectly illustrates why deplorables must be purged from government at all levels.

Demographics and sensibilities are changing, which portends a reprioritization of values, and a recalibration of the status quo by a super majority of progressive lawmakers passing progressive laws.

I can't wait.

 

[CornusKousa]

Ramona pretends that there haven't been deplorables inside and outside of government who have actively obstructed and thwarted progressive lawmakers efforts to redress the insult and injuries perpetrated on systemically disenfranchised Americans. Those perpetuators of the corrupt status quo have constantly been rowing the wrong direction, throwing out anchors, and building dams, to stop the ship of social and economic justice from reaching its destination.

That's because communism or "progress" as you like to bullshit...is not only a failure but also evil as fuck and totally un-American.

So are your racial identity politics, you jackbooted control freaks.

That reality perfectly illustrates why deplorables must be purged from government at all levels.

LMFAO!!!!
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Demographics and sensibilities are changing, which portends a reprioritization of values, and a recalibration of the status quo by a super majority of progressive lawmakers passing progressive laws.

I can't wait.

You barely have a majority of any kind federally and your side got absolutely fucking DESTROYED at the local/state level in 2020.

You'll be waiting for a while.

 

[WillJ8787]

You get what Ramona is saying; right???

The government that WAS used to discriminate against and disenfranchise large segments of society while establishing a corrupt status quo, should NOW be disempowered from enfranchising those marginalized groups, thus cementing that corrupt status quo.

Perfect

I'm not sure what your referencing exactly.so just say it. I'm presuming you mean programs like affirmative action?

 

[YDB95]

Oh look, racists have a solution...lol

What about those things do you find objectionable?

1. "re-establish the work ethic" implies that Black Americans currently have no work ethic. I can think of two possible reasonings behind this, both of which are more than a little bit racist: it's either A) the age-old stereotype of Blacks as lazy, or B) the belief that they only vote Democratic to get free stuff. (Anyone who believes that has obviously never had to live on public assistance!) I guess it could be both.

2. "End the victimhood and entitlement mentality" is definitely rooted in B above.

3. "Get rid of poor blacks by enabling them to retain the rewards of their own labor" is, I concede, not racist. But it's breathtakingly clueless coming from someone who I am nearly certain is opposed to progressive taxation, living wages, and anything else that would give those in poverty a realistic chance of working their way out of it.

4. "Stress the importance of education and fiscal responsibilty." First of all, this implies that Black Americans don't already know that, which is pretty damn racist. But even more importantly, it's coming from a member (or at least a supporter) of the party that never met an education cut they didn't like and has run up the biggest budget deficits in history.

 

[WillJ8787]

1. "re-establish the work ethic" implies that Black Americans currently have no work ethic. I can think of two possible reasonings behind this, both of which are more than a little bit racist: it's either A) the age-old stereotype of Blacks as lazy, or B) the belief that they only vote Democratic to get free stuff. (Anyone who believes that has obviously never had to live on public assistance!) I guess it could be both.

2. "End the victimhood and entitlement mentality" is definitely rooted in B above.

3. "Get rid of poor blacks by enabling them to retain the rewards of their own labor" is, I concede, not racist. But it's breathtakingly clueless coming from someone who I am nearly certain is opposed to progressive taxation, living wages, and anything else that would give those in poverty a realistic chance of working their way out of it.

4. "Stress the importance of education and fiscal responsibilty." First of all, this implies that Black Americans don't already know that, which is pretty damn racist. But even more importantly, it's coming from a member (or at least a supporter) of the party that never met an education cut they didn't like and has run up the biggest budget deficits in history.

Very good points!

 

[CornusKousa]

1. "re-establish the work ethic" implies that Black Americans currently have no work ethic.

Well....did you ever consider that across all the individuals in the demographic, there might be a disproportionately high number of individuals that might be lacking???

In a culture that CELEBRATES getting out of having to work, CELEBRATES resorting to crime to get rich quick, wears a prison sentence for such activities like a badge of honor....there MIGHT MAYBE be a work ethic issue???

I can think of two possible reasonings behind this, both of which are more than a little bit racist: it's either A) the age-old stereotype of Blacks as lazy, or B) the belief that they only vote Democratic to get free stuff. (Anyone who believes that has obviously never had to live on public assistance!) I guess it could be both.

It's a stereotype because that's what they project...not shockingly a disproportionately high number of them, especially young males, embrace and celebrate it.

And they do only vote (D) for free shit....that's the only reason anyone votes (D).....that's why (D)'s are ALWAYS promising "free" shit. If they weren't promising "free" shit you all would call them Nazis and vote for the folks promising "free" shit.

2. "End the victimhood and entitlement mentality" is definitely rooted in B above.

And is 100% accurate.

All the black people who reject the (D)'s promise of free shit because they are OWED!! For all their suffering of white people existing...horrible horrible whiteness!!! ???

Are conservatives....LOL

3. "Get rid of poor blacks by enabling them to retain the rewards of their own labor" is, I concede, not racist. But it's breathtakingly clueless coming from someone who I am nearly certain is opposed to progressive taxation, living wages, and anything else that would give those in poverty a realistic chance of working their way out of it.

Because the progressive taxation and "living wages" (taxes) punishes them for their success by taking more of their rewards for their labor.

That's because the only thing those in poverty need to have a realisitc chance of working their way out of it is for the fucking government to stop telling them "No, and if you do, we'll throw you in prison for it, only RICH well connected elites who can afford the million dollar licensed get to participate in this industry." . Which is exactly what (D)'s do, their states/cities exemplify and prove this irrefutably.

Uber...great example, freedom allowed people who were willing to go hustle to make a pretty damn good side hustle, maybe even full time.

Then the (D)'s came in and are STILL doing all they can to shut that shit down.

California, NY and other blue states have gone all out in it's war against independent contractors and the gig economy....they can't stand the little guy getting a piece of the pie.

4. "Stress the importance of education and fiscal responsibilty." First of all, this implies that Black Americans don't already know that, which is pretty damn racist.

So then why are black Americans so disproportionately poor then??

And why are all the ones who aren't poor not??

Do you think it might have something to do with their culture? Their behaviors??

Or is it all that evil whiteness???

But even more importantly, it's coming from a member (or at least a supporter) of the party that never met an education cut they didn't like and has run up the biggest budget deficits in history.

You're right about that.....the RW SUPER Fucked up bigly by not taking an interest in their education systems and just handing them over to the communist.

They let commies educate their kids and then wonder why the kids think a totalitarian communist state = true freedom and PROGRESS!!!

 

[loveupskirt]

Well said? That was word salad with no solution or even an offer of one.

Perhaps you comprehension skills are lacking.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Perhaps you comprehension skills are lacking.

If that were the case I wouldn't have made the comment.

 

[Lazaran]

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Creepimg Charlie again ignores history and opens its Venus flytrap, thus removing all doubt that it is a fool...... and a racist.

The irritating weed is in deep denial about everything related to social justice and the corrupt status quo.

Potted plants are really dumb......and racist.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It's getting harder and harder to deal with the galactically stupid.

The 2nd A protects the right for citizens to bear arms for legal purposes, however, the court clearly stated that 2nd A right is not unlimited. The Supreme court ruled that the 2nd A does not bar state regulation of firearms.

Some states regulate magazine capacity to 10 rounds and some states don't. Some states require a permit to carry and some states don't. Under the supremacy clause no state can deny a citizen legal ownership and possession of firearms but does allow for states to regulate as they see fit. You can own an AR-15 in some states and in other states you need a special permit and in other states they're banned.

I stand corrected on that point. I was unaware of this.

 

[CornusKousa]

It's getting harder and harder to deal with the galactically stupid.

The 2nd A protects the right for citizens to bear arms for legal purposes, however, the court clearly stated that 2nd A right is not unlimited. The Supreme court ruled that the 2nd A does not bar state regulation of firearms.

Some states regulate magazine capacity to 10 rounds and some states don't. Some states require a permit to carry and some states don't. Under the supremacy clause no state can deny a citizen legal ownership and possession of firearms but does allow for states to regulate as they see fit. You can own an AR-15 in some states and in other states you need a special permit and in other states they're banned.

Mostly correct, but no state bans AR-15's...only certain accessories on AR-15's.

50 state legal AR-15 and NOT an "assault weapon" ...no pistol grips, bayonet lug, or a flash cage.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/frs_15-tfb.jpeg

As for the 30 round mag? It's not a 30 round mag if it says .458SOCOM on it

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Creepimg Charlie again ignores history and opens its Venus flytrap, thus removing all doubt that it is a fool...... and a racist.

The irritating weed is in deep denial about everything related to social justice and the corrupt status quo.

Potted plants are really dumb......and racist.

Still has yet to cite any racism....just endless accusations and nothing to support them.

Denial about what?? You can't show or point to anything to be in denial about.

 

[Lazaran]

I'm not sure what your referencing exactly.so just say it. I'm presuming you mean programs like affirmative action?

I thought what I stated was pretty clear.

Throughout American history the U.S. government has been used by the wealthy, primarily white elites, to disenfranchise and exploit large segments of the population( and the environment ), which further entrenched a corrupt status quo imported primarily from England and Europe.

Now, as there appears to be a growing movement towards using that same system of government to implement changes to the corrupt status quo, (i.e., taxing the wealthy and corporations proportionally, prioritizing subsidized advanced education and job training, implementing a living wage, addressing climate change, and providing universal healthcare) there are those who want to neuter said government so the corrupt status quo currently in place is permanently cemented in American society.

Ramona's screed was a not so veiled attack on Social Security, Medicare, climate action, and tax reform, as well as an attack on social and economic justice initiatives, and is straight out of the right wing playbook.

If you find that reasonable, then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[CornusKousa]

Ramona's screed was a not so veiled attack on Social Security, Medicare, climate action, and tax reform, as well as an attack on social and economic justice initiatives, and is straight out of the right wing playbook.

Yea, because "Social and economic justice initiatives" or communism....is fucking evil.

 

[NG1274]

Excuse me? Far be it from me to find a local in your country...why don't you find it, and show me it failed?

Which is my whole point, it has not been tried in the US. All I hear is that, if government does try it, people will revolt, or some such bullshit.

Well try it and see? Most gun owners in the US are law abiding, they would comply with sane and sensible gun regulations.

The ones who won't are part of the problem...and have I not pointed out repeatedly, you are part of the problem.

Before I start, exactly which utopia do you hail from?

So let's just look at one, and no, one is not Chicago.

Baltimore, MD. 38.36 per 100K, five year average 2015-19, has assault ban, mag restrictions.

There are quite a few other cities that fit this mold. It has been tried, it has failed.

Attempting to push through policies which have failed nationwide will cause severe backlash from the gun community, which I am guessing you do not have have in your country. It is tough to describe how deep it runs, and I am always willing to discuss, if it can be done in a civil manner.

You don't seem to understand the gun culture, except an something to be feared/hated. Until you at least try to learn about it, you will never understand the obstacles truly faced in solving the problems.

Most gun owners are not willing to throw away their means of defense on laws that don't seem to work, at the same time our glorious leaders are releasing criminals without bail, defunding police and appearing toothless in the face of over a year of rioting, which still continues.

 

[NG1274]

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Ramona pretends that there haven't been deplorables inside and outside of government who have actively obstructed and thwarted progressive lawmakers efforts to redress the insult and injuries perpetrated on systemically disenfranchised Americans. Those perpetuators of the corrupt status quo have constantly been rowing the wrong direction, throwing out anchors, and building dams, to stop the ship of social and economic justice from reaching its destination.

That reality perfectly illustrates why deplorables must be purged from government at all levels.

Demographics and sensibilities are changing, which portends a reprioritization of values, and a recalibration of the status quo by a super majority of progressive lawmakers passing progressive laws.

I can't wait.

So what responsibility does the Democrat side have regarding corruption in the political process?

 

[icanhelp1]

Mostly correct, but no state bans AR-15's...only certain accessories on AR-15's.

50 state legal AR-15 and NOT an "assault weapon" ...no pistol grips, bayonet lug, or a flash cage.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/frs_15-tfb.jpeg

As for the 30 round mag? It's not a 30 round mag if it says .458SOCOM on it



In MA I can't purchase or possess an AR-15, I used to have 100 *20 AND 30
30 RND MAGS* from prior service and had to get rid of them.

MA has tough gun laws:

Attorney General Maura Healey issued a notice on July 20, 2016 to all gun sellers and manufacturers in Massachusetts, warning that her office is stepping up enforcement of the state’s assault weapons ban, including a crackdown on the sale of copycat weapons.

The enforcement notice clarifies what constitutes a “copy” or “duplicate” weapon under the assault weapons ban. Copies or duplicates of banned assault rifles, including copies of the Colt AR-15 and the Kalishnikov AK-47, are prohibited by the Massachusetts assault weapons ban. Despite the law, an estimated 10,000 copycat assault weapons had been sold in Massachusetts in 2015.

MGL 140 SEC 131M GRAND FATHERED ownership pre 1994

I WANT ONE AND CAN'T LEGALLY PURCHASE ONE

 

[phrodeau]

So what responsibility does the Democrat side have regarding corruption in the political process?

Trump drained the swamp, so none.

 

[Lazaran]

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Creepimg Charlie doesn't seem to comprehend that the current push for government supported social and economic justice initiatives, is reasonable advocation for corrective measures to counteract systemic racial and economic abuses codified by previous corrupt and racist governing bodies.

The irritating weed keeps repeating "everything is fine", despite the obviously apparent corrupt status quo induced disparities plaguing society.

Potted plants are really dumb......and blind......and deaf........and racist.......and "borderline" sociopathic.

 

[CornusKousa]

Creepimg Charlie doesn't seem to comprehend that the current push for government supported social and economic justice initiatives, is reasonable advocation for corrective measures to counteract systemic racial and economic abuses codified by previous corrupt and racist governing bodies.

That's a nice radically left wing opinion based on fantasies you can't support.

The irritating weed keeps repeating "everything is fine", despite the obviously apparent corrupt status quo induced disparities plaguing society.

Meaningless word salad....that you can't even try to support.

Potted plants are really dumb......and blind......and deaf........and racist.......and "borderline" sociopathic.

Name calling, that's the most solid thing you can come up with, name calling SAD

 

[NG1274]

Trump drained the swamp, so none.

That does seem to be the point of view of many. Not that Trump drained the swamp, but that only one side is responsible for all this garbage.

 

[WillJ8787]

I thought what I stated was pretty clear.

Throughout American history the U.S. government has been used by the wealthy, primarily white elites, to disenfranchise and exploit large segments of the population( and the environment ), which further entrenched a corrupt status quo imported primarily from England and Europe.

Now, as there appears to be a growing movement towards using that same system of government to implement changes to the corrupt status quo, (i.e., taxing the wealthy and corporations proportionally, prioritizing subsidized advanced education and job training, implementing a living wage, addressing climate change, and providing universal healthcare) there are those who want to neuter said government so the corrupt status quo currently in place is permanently cemented in American society.

Ramona's screed was a not so veiled attack on Social Security, Medicare, climate action, and tax reform, as well as an attack on social and economic justice initiatives, and is straight out of the right wing playbook.

If you find that reasonable, then we will have to agree to disagree.

I'll have to go back a re-read it....I'm confused but that happens to me sometimes. I must have missed it....and it was a lot to read through after a long day.

If he is saying what your suggesting, I'm definitely not gonna be in support of his ideas.

 

[YDB95]

So let's just look at one, and no, one is not Chicago.

Baltimore, MD. 38.36 per 100K, five year average 2015-19, has assault ban, mag restrictions.

And is about an hour's drive from Pennsylvania and Virginia, both of which have ridiculously lax gun laws.

Well....did you ever consider that across all the individuals in the demographic, there might be a disproportionately high number of individuals that might be lacking???

I would if there were any evidence of that. But there isn't.

In a culture that CELEBRATES getting out of having to work, CELEBRATES resorting to crime to get rich quick, wears a prison sentence for such activities like a badge of honor....there MIGHT MAYBE be a work ethic issue???

Well, of course there would be. But African-American culture does NOT celebrate those things. At all.

It's a stereotype because that's what they project...not shockingly a disproportionately high number of them, especially young males, embrace and celebrate it.

According to the "news" sources you use? Undoubtedly.

And they do only vote (D) for free shit....that's the only reason anyone votes (D).....that's why (D)'s are ALWAYS promising "free" shit. If they weren't promising "free" shit you all would call them Nazis and vote for the folks promising "free" shit.

We've been over this before. I asked for a cite and you posted a link to Democrats calling for tax-paid services, not "free" ones. If you can't tell the very substantial difference between those two things, that's your problem.

All the black people who reject the (D)'s promise of free shit because they are OWED!! For all their suffering of white people existing...horrible horrible whiteness!!! ???

Are conservatives....LOL

All 5% or so of them, yeah.

Because the progressive taxation and "living wages" (taxes) punishes them for their success by taking more of their rewards for their labor.

Nope. I know you're going to go on repeating that mantra until the sun burns out, but it just ain't so. And no progressive tax plan anywhere would raise taxes on the working poor.

That's because the only thing those in poverty need to have a realisitc chance of working their way out of it is for the fucking government to stop telling them "No, and if you do, we'll throw you in prison for it, only RICH well connected elites who can afford the million dollar licensed get to participate in this industry." . Which is exactly what (D)'s do, their states/cities exemplify and prove this irrefutably.

I'd ask for a cite, but we all know what that will get us: a link to Biden (or Harris or Warren or Sanders or whomever) saying something completely different from that.

So then why are black Americans so disproportionately poor then??

And why are all the ones who aren't poor not??

Do you think it might have something to do with their culture? Their behaviors??

Or is it all that evil whiteness???

No, it's not all evil whiteness. But 400 years of abuse have taken their toll. Anyone who can't see that isn't just racist, they're downright stupid.

 

[CuttingEdge]

This subject has been beaten to death on lit for years. If you give people free shit they will vote for you, the more free shit the bigger the crowd, the bigger the crowd the more votes. That's how the progressive socialist movement operates. Just look at the spending bills, bills in general coming out of the house dems, it's all about free shit and consolidating power. How you ask? giving away the store, taking your shit and giving it to fat, dumb, lazy and illegals in the name of virtue, systemic racism and white privilege.

And you don't have a right to question it because your rights don't count only the right of the collective counts.

Yep, that is how communism came to roost in Russia. They convinced the populace that the rich were evil... Of course as soon as they got in power they took everything away that they had given them.

It was too bad. France, Germany, Japan and the USA could have stopped them had they been serious during the Siberian Expedition in 1918-1920.

 

[CornusKousa]

I would if there were any evidence of that. But there isn't.

You mean other than the observable reality we all live in?? LOL

Well, of course there would be. But African-American culture does NOT celebrate those things. At all.

Damn near every rap album and music video in the last 25 years.

Who are you trying to lie to here??? Me or yourself???

We've been over this before. I asked for a cite and you posted a link to Democrats calling for tax-paid services, not "free" ones. If you can't tell the very substantial difference between those two things, that's your problem.

Taxes paid for by RICH!!

Yea, it's "Free" (at the point of use) shit they are promising. It's the lefts whole shtick....has been for 150 years now and you guys got nothing new.

All 5% or so of them, yeah.

Amazing how well off they tend to be whenever they reject the self destructive hedonism and wealth envy mentality the left promotes.

Nope. I know you're going to go on repeating that mantra until the sun burns out, but it just ain't so. And no progressive tax plan anywhere would raise taxes on the working poor.

No, but the working and middle class get their sacks ripped off like wet paper towels.

That makes it very difficult to accrue enough capital to be your own boss.

I'd ask for a cite, but we all know what that will get us: a link to Biden (or Harris or Warren or Sanders or whomever) saying something completely different from that.

Look at California....most hostile to bidnizz state in the union for like 15 years running now. Top 20 are all blue.

You guys, via your ENDLESS ability to pile regulations on regulations just for the sake of regulating..... make starting a businesses a rich and well connected people only opportunity.

No, it's not all evil whiteness. But 400 years of abuse have taken their toll. Anyone who can't see that isn't just racist, they're downright stupid.

Taken their toll? What the fuck does that even mean?

Especially with regard to the support for institutionalized racism to pursue racial equity???

I bet you can't answer that one