Socialism for rich people

[phrodeau]

McConnell refers to $2000 checks going to those earning $75,000/yr or less as “socialism for rich people.”

What other similar examples can you think of? And how do you define “socialism for rich people,” CornusKousa?

 

[nowisthetime]

That's rich, according to him?

He is pure evil, worse than Dump.


At least we had a choice to vote Pig out, but his broke, toothless, obese redneck constituents in Kentucky are responsible for this hateful man.

I hope Georgians have the sense to vote Dem for the Senate.

Shame we lost McCain and Lewis, but evil turds still kicking.

 

[CornusKousa]

McConnell refers to $2000 checks going to those earning $75,000/yr or less as “socialism for rich people.”

What other similar examples can you think of? And how do you define “socialism for rich people,” CornusKousa?

Examples of what??

Collective ownership of the means of production......as for the "for the rich" part, I guess for rich people??

The term doesn't make much sense, cocaine Mitch is a tard.

 

[Lazaran]

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Creeping Charlie calls Mitch a "tard" for knowing exactly what he's saying and doing, when in reality, the boards resident potted plant is a "tard" for not understanding that Mitch knows exactly what he's saying and doing.

Trump, McConnell, and republicans have been catering to the TRULY rich.

Every piece of legislation and judicial appointment republicans approve is predicated upon how it benefits the top 1-10 percent.

 

[missyunderstanding]

The entire concept is insane.

The idea of the government "giving" anything to anyone is insane. It is a myth and a lie. Governments are abstract concepts. They only exist in the minds of men. They have no wealth to give. All that the government claims to "give" is either taken from people and then given back to them or to others (redistribution of wealth also known as stealing)

Or, it is borrowed in the name of the people and thus sticking people and unborn people with bills that they can never hope to pay off.

Or printing money that has no wealth behind it. That waters down the value of the existing money so in effect robs people of the value of the money they once thought they had.

Anyway you look it at, the $2000 or the $600 or anything else... food, housing, education, police, fire control, military protection, the roads, the government buildings and payroll and retirement... it is all coming from one of the 3 sources that I listed above. Let me repeat. 1. Taken from people in the form of taxes. 2. Borrowed in the name of the people and leaving the people with the impossible debt load. 3. Printing fake money with nothing tangible behind it and thus watering down the value of any money the people may have.

It is a scam. Left right or in the middle. It is a scam. It can't work. It doesn't work. For thousands of years and with one failed political idea after another and with blood and war fought over the ideas... it never works. It always fails in the end and the lesson of history is ignored by each new generation to pop on the scene with an empty head full of wisdom pulled out of their imaginations or a location a bit further south.

 

[CornusKousa]

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Creeping Charlie calls Mitch a "tard" for knowing exactly what he's saying and doing, when in reality, the boards resident potted plant is a "tard" for not understanding that Mitch knows exactly what he's saying and doing.

Trump, McConnell, and republicans have been catering to the TRULY rich.

Every piece of legislation and judicial appointment republicans approve is predicated upon how it benefits the top 1-10 percent.

(D)'s do the same shit.

And they keep us happy by keeping you commie crybabies at bay and your hands out of our pockets.

 

[icanhelp1]

The idea of the government "giving" anything to anyone is insane. It is a myth and a lie. Governments are abstract concepts. They only exist in the minds of men. They have no wealth to give. All that the government claims to "give" is either taken from people and then given back to them or to others (redistribution of wealth also known as stealing)

Or, it is borrowed in the name of the people and thus sticking people and unborn people with bills that they can never hope to pay off.

Or printing money that has no wealth behind it. That waters down the value of the existing money so in effect robs people of the value of the money they once thought they had.

Anyway you look it at, the $2000 or the $600 or anything else... food, housing, education, police, fire control, military protection, the roads, the government buildings and payroll and retirement... it is all coming from one of the 3 sources that I listed above. Let me repeat. 1. Taken from people in the form of taxes. 2. Borrowed in the name of the people and leaving the people with the impossible debt load. 3. Printing fake money with nothing tangible behind it and thus watering down the value of any money the people may have.

It is a scam. Left right or in the middle. It is a scam. It can't work. It doesn't work. For thousands of years and with one failed political idea after another and with blood and war fought over the ideas... it never works. It always fails in the end and the lesson of history is ignored by each new generation to pop on the scene with an empty head full of wisdom pulled out of their imaginations or a location a bit further south.

Well, at least Pakistan is getting a great bang for our buck!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Governments are abstract concepts. They only exist in the minds of men.

Ummm maybe you shouldn't post after your friend comes over and you smoke dope and watch CNN....I am fairly sure the Government of the United States exists.

They have no wealth to give.

So quick question for you, way back in 1775, where did the money come from? Like where did Washington and Jefferson and crew come up with Continental currency?

All that the government claims to "give" is either taken from people and then given back to them or to others (redistribution of wealth also known as stealing)

Well strangely enough there are other options than just the one listed above or below....

Or, it is borrowed in the name of the people and thus sticking people and unborn people with bills that they can never hope to pay off.

Or printing money that has no wealth behind it. That waters down the value of the existing money so in effect robs people of the value of the money they once thought they had.

^^^^^^

If you understand "confidence" as it applies to a countries monetary system, then you know most of what you posted above is not the whole story...So what is it, you don't know, or are failing to use all the information to "scare" peopl?

Anyway you look it at, the $2000 or the $600 or anything else... food, housing, education, police, fire control, military protection, the roads, the government buildings and payroll and retirement... it is all coming from one of the 3 sources that I listed above. Let me repeat. 1. Taken from people in the form of taxes. 2. Borrowed in the name of the people and leaving the people with the impossible debt load. 3. Printing fake money with nothing tangible behind it and thus watering down the value of any money the people may have.

Which is the better long term debt, to finance short term forgivable loans, or to have multi billions of assets values tumble to next to zero value?

Remember in most cases, that money, be it 600, or 2000 will go directly back into the economy, it will not just get thrown upon a pile of money somewhere and do nothing. Isn't that what a tax break is supposed to do? Free up cash so a person can spend it, and stimulate the economy?

It is a scam. Left right or in the middle. It is a scam. It can't work. It doesn't work. For thousands of years and with one failed political idea after another and with blood and war fought over the ideas... it never works. It always fails in the end and the lesson of history is ignored by each new generation to pop on the scene with an empty head full of wisdom pulled out of their imaginations or a location a bit further south.

Well what is your solution? Let all these people who are struggling to feed their family, or pay their bills or about to be evicted or lose their home's just go bankrupt?

What do you want them to do? Starve? Stand on the street corner and beg for money? Die from a virus, which they really don't need to, just to allow you, your "individual freedom"?

If that is your idea of what your society should look like, well I for one am glad you have no ability to have a voice ( vote) in my Countries society....

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Well, at least Pakistan is getting a great bang for our buck!

True, and that came from Trump's administration's budget request in case you missed that minor detail....

 

[icanhelp1]

True, and that came from Trump's administration's budget request in case you missed that minor detail....

Yah, that’s why Trump vetoed it? The house is responsible for spending bills, Nancy P’s bloated bill Mixed all the pork with defense spending and Trump still vetoed it. Pelosi’s omnibus bill was akin to a bag of pork rinds.

A president’s budget request is a mere formality.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yah, that’s why Trump vetoed it? The house is responsible for spending bills, Nancy P’s bloated bill Mixed all the pork with defense spending and Trump still vetoed it. Pelosi’s omnibus bill was akin to a bag of pork rinds.

A president’s budget request is a mere formality.

Umm I really don't think Trump had a clue as to what WAS in the bill. All he cared about was what was NOT in the bill, the repeal of 230...

 

[icanhelp1]

Ummm maybe you shouldn't post after your friend comes over and you smoke dope and watch CNN....I am fairly sure the Government of the United States exists.



So quick question for you, way back in 1775, where did the money come from? Like where did Washington and Jefferson and crew come up with Continental currency?




Well strangely enough there are other options than just the one listed above or below....






^^^^^^

If you understand "confidence" as it applies to a countries monetary system, then you know most of what you posted above is not the whole story...So what is it, you don't know, or are failing to use all the information to "scare" peopl?



Which is the better long term debt, to finance short term forgivable loans, or to have multi billions of assets values tumble to next to zero value?

Remember in most cases, that money, be it 600, or 2000 will go directly back into the economy, it will not just get thrown upon a pile of money somewhere and do nothing. Isn't that what a tax break is supposed to do? Free up cash so a person can spend it, and stimulate the economy?



Well what is your solution? Let all these people who are struggling to feed their family, or pay their bills or about to be evicted or lose their home's just go bankrupt?

What do you want them to do? Starve? Stand on the street corner and beg for money? Die from a virus, which they really don't need to, just to allow you, your "individual freedom"?

If that is your idea of what your society should look like, well I for one am glad you have no ability to have a voice ( vote) in my Countries society....

You missed the point, governments are abstract in the context that governments don’t create wealth, they take and then redistribute most times forgetting that that wealth belongs to the taxpayers and not the other way around. Taxpayers don’t want their money given to Pakistan or any other country, prioritizing above the needs of their own citizens.

 

[icanhelp1]

Umm I really don't think Trump had a clue as to what WAS in the bill. All he cared about was what was NOT in the bill, the repeal of 230...

Repealing 230 was part of it, I don’t think anyone had a chance to read it. He did insist on redirecting the pork spending to the American people’s needs first.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You missed the point, governments are abstract in the context that governments don’t create wealth, they take and then redistribute most times forgetting that that wealth belongs to the taxpayers and not the other way around. Taxpayers don’t want their money given to Pakistan or any other country, prioritizing above the needs of their own citizens.

Governments do create wealth, and they are not some abstract idea? WTF, are you the dude bringing Shelly the pot and watching CNN....*chuckles*

I can't comment on what the US taxpayers do, or do not want their Tax dollars spent on.

 

[icanhelp1]

Governments do create wealth, and they are not some abstract idea? WTF, are you the dude bringing Shelly the pot and watching CNN....*chuckles*

I can't comment on what the US taxpayers do, or do not want their Tax dollars spent on.

Give me an example where a government creates wealth? Democracies of course.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Give me an example where a government creates wealth? Democracies of course.

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

Think about it....how much wealth was created by JFK and this little speech.

You obviously do not agree with ( or possible know about or understand) Keynesian economics... no surprise here....

 

[phrodeau]

Give me an example where a government creates wealth? Democracies of course.

Ever hear of bonds?

 

[WillJ8787]

Give me an example where a government creates wealth? Democracies of course.

Ah, an invasion of a foreign country under bogus intelligence(Iraq) that creates massive wealth for military sub contractor such as Haliburton and other. Coincidentally, the VP of the USA at the time happened to be in the board of Haliburton.

Currently, pouring massive amounts of money at Pharma companies, manufacturing companies, logistics companies to develop, manufacturing and deliver a vaccine to everyone in the USA and potentially the world.

 

[icanhelp1]

Ah, an invasion of a foreign country under bogus intelligence(Iraq) that creates massive wealth for military sub contractor such as Haliburton and other. Coincidentally, the VP of the USA at the time happened to be in the board of Haliburton.

Currently, pouring massive amounts of money at Pharma companies, manufacturing companies, logistics companies to develop, manufacturing and deliver a vaccine to everyone in the USA and potentially the world.

How on God's green earth is invading a country, paying contractors with tax dollars or pouring money into big Pharma creating wealth? Each of those transactions requires the government to pay with your tax dollars. Entrepreneurs create wealth, the government spends it.

 

[icanhelp1]

Ever hear of bonds?

Bonds are another form of government debt.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Bonds are another form of government debt.

Bonds are a way of generating revenue. The theory is, if you sell one today, and pay it back in 30 years, the revenue saved today by not "borrowing" is offset by the inflation factor, when you return the money, with interest at a later date.

Now keep in mind Governments are not supposed to make a "profit". Making a profit, is in reality over taxing it's citizens.

You said "wealth", not a Government becoming "wealthy". There have been three examples of "creating wealth", and you have disavowed two.

Yet the reality is, you are ignorant on the subject. Since in all three cases wealth was created. The Countries GDP increases due directly to Government actions.

 

[Dribble]

I would toss the ball back in McConnell court...if 75k is too much...what about 35k for an individual and 70 for a couple?

 

[CornusKousa]

Ah, an invasion of a foreign country under bogus intelligence(Iraq) that creates massive wealth for military sub contractor such as Haliburton and other. Coincidentally, the VP of the USA at the time happened to be in the board of Haliburton.

Currently, pouring massive amounts of money at Pharma companies, manufacturing companies, logistics companies to develop, manufacturing and deliver a vaccine to everyone in the USA and potentially the world.

Along with Wal Mart and Amazon, it's no wonder COVID= END OF THE WORLD!!!! hype is being pushed as hard as it is.

 

[WillJ8787]

How on God's green earth is invading a country, paying contractors with tax dollars or pouring money into big Pharma creating wealth? Each of those transactions requires the government to pay with your tax dollars. Entrepreneurs create wealth, the government spends it.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...

Detective Spooner, that is the right question!

You ask how....it is the true welfare state.

Not understanding this is the key to staying oblivious to how real wealth and power move through US society.

More in this later...I'll be back

 

[icanhelp1]

Bonds are a way of generating revenue. The theory is, if you sell one today, and pay it back in 30 years, the revenue saved today by not "borrowing" is offset by the inflation factor, when you return the money, with interest at a later date.

Generating revenue is not generating wealth. Taxing your citizens is also generating revenue. Are you hitting the bottle so early?

Now keep in mind Governments are not supposed to make a "profit". Making a profit, is in reality over taxing it's citizens.

You're conflating a budget surplus with wealth creation,

You said "wealth", not a Government becoming "wealthy". There have been three examples of "creating wealth", and you have disavowed two.

The OP was discussing government creation of wealth, keep up with the class!

Yet the reality is, you are ignorant on the subject. Since in all three cases wealth was created. The Countries GDP increases due directly to Government actions.

GDP measures domestic productivity of final goods and services within a country's domain not wealth creation.