Are You an Reasonable Conservitive or A Reactionaly Asshole??

[JackLuis]

The extreme ends of the political spectrum have to ask themselves if what they are doing is constructive or destructive of our society. I think this is more important for the Right than the Left, because there are really very few Radical Leftists and many more RWNJs who can not deal with reality.

Here is an article about how we got to this fucking dysfunctional point.


This historian saw is all coming 30 years ago: How America’s failure is pushing us ‘off the cliff’

What do Democrats need to do, not just to help America recover from the profound damage of the Trump presidency, but to address the long-term underlying problems that made it possible in the first place? To help answer that question, I turned to the man who took the measure of those problems in the first place, sociologist and historian Jack Goldstone, whose 1991 book, “Revolution and Rebellion in the Early Modern World,” revolutionized our understanding of revolutions as products of organizational failure in coping with demographic pressures.

Are you willing to build the "Shining City on the Hill" or the "Stinking Cesspit in the Swamp"?

 

[LLCox]

Democraps are not much better than repukes. I denounce them all. I am an Independent asshole.

 

[Dribble]

If you support a Fascist traitor...you are a Fascist traitor.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

The far right I can identify as KKK, Proud clowns and other militia types but what the far left consists of and what danger they pose is unclear to me. BLM, Antifa?

 

[bhurry]

The extreme ends of the political spectrum have to ask themselves if what they are doing is constructive or destructive of our society. I think this is more important for the Right than the Left, because there are really very few Radical Leftists and many more RWNJs who can not deal with reality.

Here is an article about how we got to this fucking dysfunctional point.


This historian saw is all coming 30 years ago: How America’s failure is pushing us ‘off the cliff’



Are you willing to build the "Shining City on the Hill" or the "Stinking Cesspit in the Swamp"?

Back to the swamp now.

 

[CornusKousa]

The extreme ends of the political spectrum have to ask themselves if what they are doing is constructive or destructive of our society. I think this is more important for the Right than the Left, because there are really very few Radical Leftists and many more RWNJs who can not deal with reality.

Says the RAW reader....LOL!!!

Here is an article about how we got to this fucking dysfunctional point.


This historian saw is all coming 30 years ago: How America’s failure is pushing us ‘off the cliff’

You radical leftist think America failed?? LOL

America didn't fail, it was wildly successful, pissing you leftist off to no end.

The far right I can identify as KKK, Proud clowns and other militia types but what the far left consists of and what danger they pose is unclear to me. BLM, Antifa?

What about the left wing militia types?? Militia types aren't specific to right or left.

Not shocking you can't see what the dangers of radical leftism......despite having deliberately murdering over half a BILLION people in the last 110 years, you think folks like Mao and Stalin were just WONDERFUL!!! SO MUCH PROGRESS!!!

If you support a Fascist traitor...you are a Fascist traitor.

Good thing we don't have any of those around.

 

[jaF0]

The far right I can identify as KKK, Proud clowns and other militia types but what the far left consists of and what danger they pose is unclear to me. BLM, Antifa?

The problem is that what constitutes far right or far left changes every few years. The far right examples you mention used to be the far left. People can't even agree on which, if either is facist, socialist or something else.

George Wallace was an Alabama Democrat. (Former Judge) Roy Moore is an Alabama Republican. To me they are essentially the same person.

 

[JackLuis]

Well now that we have hear from the Reactionaries, how about the intellectuals on the board?

Anyone?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Says the RAW reader....LOL!!!



You radical leftist think America failed?? LOL

America didn't fail, it was wildly successful, pissing you leftist off to no end.




What about the left wing militia types?? Militia types aren't specific to right or left.

Not shocking you can't see what the dangers of radical leftism......despite having deliberately murdering over half a BILLION people in the last 110 years, you think folks like Mao and Stalin were just WONDERFUL!!! SO MUCH PROGRESS!!!



Good thing we don't have any of those around.

I am unfamiliar with left-wing militias. Do you have any evidence of their existence?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

The problem is that what constitutes far right or far left changes every few years. The far right examples you mention used to be the far left. People can't even agree on which, if either is facist, socialist or something else.

George Wallace was an Alabama Democrat. (Former Judge) Roy Moore is an Alabama Republican. To me they are essentially the same person.

I'm aware of the historic change of parties in the south resulting from the "southern strategy," but I'm comparing the far right and far left of today. As much as the Bo Bos want to propagandize the far left, to me they don't equate.

 

[CornusKousa]

I am unfamiliar with left-wing militias. Do you have any evidence of their existence?

Leftist militias fucking pioneered modern unconventional warfare tactics and perfected them in the jungles of SE Asia by a very famous left wing militia called the Viet Cong, maybe you've heard of them??

Let us not forget one of the leftist most overly romanticized militiamen, the literal George Washington of socialism, is (ironically and hysterically) used to sell shit loads of T-shirts to "progressives".

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/713NSp9NZdL._AC_UX342_.jpg

Then in the US you have the RR....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck_Revolt

And BLM/AntiFa as well.

 

[CornusKousa]

I'm aware of the historic change of parties in the south resulting from the "southern strategy," but I'm comparing the far right and far left of today. As much as the Bo Bos want to propagandize the far left, to me they don't equate.

What do you mean?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I was kind of hoping for an exchange of ideas with you based in reality. At the present time, in the US there are right-wing armed militias that carry rifles, threaten fellow citizens, and plan kidnappings of elected representatives. Once again, in the real world, can you offer proof of a left-wing equivalent?

 

[CornusKousa]

The problem is that what constitutes far right or far left changes every few years. The far right examples you mention used to be the far left. People can't even agree on which, if either is facist, socialist or something else.

George Wallace was an Alabama Democrat. (Former Judge) Roy Moore is an Alabama Republican. To me they are essentially the same person.

It's the parties that change from left to right and from liberal to authoritarian about it....or the other ways around.

What's right or left or hasn't changed but parties ideological platforms have and continue to do.

The problem is that most folks don't actually know what the fuck left or right is.

They often think parties define ideology, which is not at all true....parties can associate with an ideology but they usually change. Our own two parties are proof of this.

The left is defined by their pursuit of equity, the right by their acceptance or enforcement of inequity or hierarchy...have been since ancient times and unless there is a major shift in political science for some unknown unknown clobbering humanity in a truly revolutionary way??? (which could happen)

I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[CornusKousa]

I was kind of hoping for an exchange of ideas with you based in reality. At the present time, in the US there are right-wing armed militias that carry rifles, threaten fellow citizens, and plan kidnappings of elected representatives. Once again, in the real world, can you offer proof of a left-wing equivalent?

Everything I posted was in reality, verifiable facts.

But if you want to move the goalpost from the left wing militias existing to their being actively engaging in violence and destruction in the USA??

BLM....weapon carrying, cop killing, gunfight picking left wing terrorist who have done billions in property damage in 2020 alone.

Does this year count or are you going to tighten that goalpost up some more to today to keep ignoring the fact that the left has assholes of it's own??

 

[JackLuis]

Okay Dogwood, you proved your point, you are a Reactionary Asshole, now move along and let the adults talk of Social Science and demographic development in the 21st Century.

I doubt you even read the article, 'cause RAW, Salon is bad ju ju.

No one wants to read your ravings and deflections.

Oh PS:
If they are verifiable facts, that there are LEFT WING Militias, post at least two facts that haven't come for a RWNJ fever dream source?

Can't can you?

 

[CornusKousa]

Okay Dogwood, you proved your point, you are a Reactionary Asshole, now move along and let the adults talk of Social Science and demographic development in the 21st Century.

Nothing I posted is "reactionary asshole" lol

Unless you're defining "reactionary asshole" as not being "progressive" totalitarian??

Then I guess by your definition of "reactionary asshole"...not a big fan of you control freaks.

I doubt you even read the article, 'cause RAW, Salon is bad ju ju.

No one wants to read your ravings and deflections.

Yea they are pretty laughable sources. Like InfoWarz.

Oh PS:
If they are verifiable facts, that there are LEFT WING Militias, post at least two facts that haven't come for a RWNJ fever dream source?

Can't can you?

Wiki is a "RWNJ fever dream" source?? You're so far left you've lost any sort of perspective.

You really need citation for the existence of BLM and their terrorist activities??

You need citation for Che being an icon of the left? Seriously??

Your partisan hackery is hanging out....flagrantly...just floppin' about.

If you want to pretend the left wing has never formed a militia then you keep your head buried where it's all warm and smelly.

 

[KeithD]

I'm an Eleanor Roosevelt liberal. With Eleanor, it was progressive, but it wasn't just talk. I support progressive, people-supportive programs. But I want them actually costed out and demonstrated as doable, and able to be realized by working the system of actually getting it done. Incrementable, yes, but not the wheels spinning of what I see in the current progressive wing of the Democratic Party--other than Elizabeth Warren. She's seems very must an Eleanor Roosevelt liberal.

 

[Dingobaby]

Bobo thinks blm and antifa are militia groups, what a (R)etard...lol

 

[CornusKousa]

I'm an Eleanor Roosevelt liberal. With Eleanor, it was progressive, but it wasn't just talk. I support progressive, people-supportive programs. But I want them actually costed out and demonstrated as doable, and able to be realized by working the system of actually getting it done. Incrementable, yes, but not the wheels spinning of what I see in the current progressive wing of the Democratic Party--other than Elizabeth Warren. She's seems very must an Eleanor Roosevelt liberal.

Warren is a rather authoritarian collectivist and democratic socialist.

Outside of abortion she's not liberal about much of anything.

Roosevelt was a social liberal, they didn't see a need to bully and shut down private commerce to provide good public services, and actually did concentration camps, current "progressives" would have called them fascist Nazis.

 

[CornusKousa]

Bobo thinks blm and antifa are militia groups, what a (R)etard...lol

Fit the definition.

 

[phrodeau]

I’d like a citation of BLM’s terrorist activities, please.

Not the first time I’ve asked.

 

[Lazaran]

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I consider myself conservative but some might not see me that way.

I see climate change as an existential threat to the economy and national security, as well as the environment and life.

I see lack of public healthcare and the poor Covid response as a short and long term threat to the economy as well as the quality and quantity of life.

I see gun laws that ban assault rifles, bump stocks, extended clips, sales loopholes, etc, as a boon to law enforcement and public safety.

I see extending the public funding of education beyond K-12 as a boon to national security and the economic future of the country.

I see addressing income inequality as a cost effective way of promoting social harmony which would reduce the outrage that fuels the rioting and looting and is having a chilling effect on local businesses.

I see comprehensive immigration reform as a national security issue, both in the benefit from dreamers contributions to society, as well as finally designating who will be allowed to claim dreamer status moving forward. Deportation of illegal immigrants AND prosecution of those who employ them should be streamlined. Refugees and those seeking asylum must be addressed in a multinational compact.

I see reaffirming a woman's right to control over medical decisions involving her body as another important move towards social harmony. Strengthening protections of women's rights in society and in the workplace would also improve social harmony.

I see separation of church and state as being mutually beneficial because they both get tainted when they get intertwined.

I see decriminalization of drugs as a positive for economic and humanitarian reasons. However, I do not advocate for drug use or unsupervised drug usage. Much like people who engage in irresponsible or unsafe sexual activities, irresponsible drug users should have resources available to address the negative consequences of their behavior, while simultaneously receiving psychological and educational assistance to help avoid future relapses.

I know none of my positions are traditionally conservative, but I can't bring myself to subscribe to the "fuck em' all, kill em' all" school of thought.

 

[CornusKousa]

I’d like a citation of BLM’s terrorist activities, please.

Not the first time I’ve asked.

Linked numerous times before, your continued willful ignorance won't make it go away.

I consider myself conservative but some might not see me that way.

Maybe it has something to do with the long list of progressive political positions antithetical to conservatism (classical liberalism in the case of the USA) you listed??

I know none of my positions are traditionally conservative, but I can't bring myself to subscribe to the "fuck em' all, kill em' all" school of thought.

Not in the USA, not at all, which is why you're not a conservative.

"fuck em' all, kill em' all" isn't any sort of conservative school of though of any kind.

That's what leftist think conservatism is because they're uneducated.

 

[PaxNurgle]

I consider myself a reasonable conservative but with more centrist leanings. "Center right" if you will, but yet alienated by the direction of the Republican party over the last four years in particular.

The extremist right-wing violence has been well documented, but let's not let AntiFa off the hook here, either.

I tend to dislike the welfare state or the culture of dependency fostered by liberalism. I dislike socialism, but I grow increasingly irritated at how the term "Socialism" has been so abused lately- seems like almost any government policy that isn't strictly social darwinist or extreme crony capitalist/ corporotist or militarist, is mislabeled as "Socialism."

And I am disgusted with the past four years of blatant mis-rule by the "conservative" Donald Trump. Conservative or liberal, divisive and ineffective policies need to be called out as such. Not labeled "Fake News" if the mere presentation of hard facts don't happen to portray leadership in a positive light. Yes, I do strongly believe in a free press (that is not just a propaganda spokesman for the leader.) Reactionary far-right does not.

I find myself at odds with many conservatives when I say that climate change is a real problem that needs addressing- hard science should not be politicized, nor denied. And I do believe in racial equality and social justice- again; many conservatives oppose these things.

I support elimination of redundant government bureaucracy (like many conservatives do) but not to the extent that public health and safety are compromised (like the far right does).

I support strong national defense and isolationist foreign policy (like conservatives) but not outright militarism or abdicating our responsibilities to our allies, nor pulling out of established treaties meant to keep the peace in the world (like Donald Trump does.)