More on the Flynn case

[Rightguide]

There is a final 302.

The lies Flynn told contained in that 302 were contradicted by evidence obtained through other sources. (Taped phone calls, other people's testimony, etc.)

His failure to inform that he was a paid Turkish agent is relevant because the government dropped that charge as part of his plea deal.

He couldn't be coerced by a threatened investigation of his son if his son did nothing wrong. His son was also his business partner and his aide at the time Flynn was acting as a foreign agent of Turkey and making side deals with Russia . The government was well within its rights to investigate him.

There has been no known testimony by the interviewing agents, or anyone else, that Peter Strzok or anyone else materially altered the content iof the original draft of the 302 in the final draft of the 302.

There is no known testimony that the agents who conducted the interview disagree with the content of the final draft of the 302.

Every point people cite that they say proves Flynn was set up and coerced is weak. Even the hand written notes showing that the former FBI head of counterintelligence Bill Priestap mulled over how the FBI should approach the Flynn interview is standard procedure.

The only references I could find related to the agents who conducted the interview show that while they thought Flynns body language showed no signs of deception, they found his statements were inconsistent with what they knew to be true from other sources. They even gave him opportunities to reconsider his statements and provided additional information they had to try and get Flynn to tell the truth but he stuck with his lies.

Barrs decision to stop the Flynn prosecution was a corrupt act triggered by an improper request from a corrupt president.

Flynn lied to the FBI about his improper/treasonous actions and testified under oath that he lied. He got caught and was prosecuted just like the rest of Trumps criminal cabal.

He's just another shit stain on Trumps presidency.

^^^^

A demonstrable mountain of steaming BS.

 

[Lazaran]

Points and laughs at the idea of a "final 302"

Which, not incidentally, was not produced to his original counsel, and still does not correctly align with the actual words in the transcript of the call.

The agents original notes from the interview were the basis for the final draft of the 302. Every document goes through a drafting phase to produce the final draft.

From my understanding, his original counsel was not initially given a copy of the 302 for multiple reasons, most notably, because the FBI had not yet charged Flynn, and was not required to give his counsel the information before beginning their prosecution.

Once Flynn was charged and being prosecuted, the government provided Flynns team with the FBI agents interview notes and the final draft of the 302.

Flynns legal counsel had access to the interviewing agents notes and the final draft of the 302.

Judge Sullivan also looked at the interviewing agents notes and the final draft of the 302 and concluded that there was no material difference between them.

The "Lawfare" site has the most comprehensive analysis of the Flynn case I have found to date. The summary titled "Flynn Redux: What those FBI Documents really show", should be required reading for anyone interested in justice regarding the Flynn case.

You won't like it of course, because it debunks every claim you have made.

 

[bestone4ever]

Just to be clear, he's not wrong about the final 302, your pointing, laughing, and childish eyerolling notwithstanding.

 

[Rightguide]

m.

The "Lawfare" site has the most comprehensive analysis of the Flynn case I have found to date. The summary titled "Flynn Redux: What those FBI Documents really show", should be required reading for anyone interested in justice regarding the Flynn case.

You won't like it of course, because it debunks every claim you have made.

They make legal points but they a left wing site with the appropriate left wing anti-Trump bent.

 

[bestone4ever]

They make legal points but they a left wing site with the appropriate left wing anti-Trump bent.

Fucking Deep State!

 

[KeithD]

It's fun to watch the board Trumpettes searching for "outs" from what is obvious: Flynn is a scumbag who tried to use his position to line his pockets in ways that are classified as treason in the United States. He was caught at it, he lied about it, he then admitted it and pleaded guilty to it, and he was convicted of it. Since he's friends (and probably is blackmailing) a corrupt and criminal president, efforts are being made, supported here by board Trumpettes, to squirm his way out of it.

At no time has a board Trumpette demonstrated--or even tried to--that Flynn didn't do the treasonous acts.

 

[bestone4ever]

It's fun to watch the board Trumpettes searching for "outs" from what is obvious: Flynn is a scumbag who tried to use his position to line his pockets in ways that are classified as treason in the United States. He was caught at it, he lied about it, he then admitted it and pleaded guilty to it, and he was convicted of it. Since he's friends (and probably is blackmailing) a corrupt and criminal president, efforts are being made, supported here by board Trumpettes, to squirm his way out of it.

At no time has a board Trumpette demonstrated--or even tried to--that Flynn didn't do the treasonous acts.

Rightguide hasn't found fault in the Republican Party since Nixon.

 

[knottagain]

Explain to me again why it was illegal for @GenFlynn to make a standard phone call in his official capacity as NatSec Adviser but perfectly fine for @JohnKerry to meet in Paris with Iranian state sponsor of terror officials to subvert US foreign policy and @realDonaldTrump.

 

[Rightguide]

The general said nothing in appropriate to the Ambassador of Russia, as the declassified transcripts prove.

 

[Lazaran]

Explain to me again why it was illegal for @GenFlynn to make a standard phone call in his official capacity as NatSec Adviser but perfectly fine for @JohnKerry to meet in Paris with Iranian state sponsor of terror officials to subvert US foreign policy and @realDonaldTrump.

Are you aware how dumb your question makes you appear???

You can't seriously be comparing the established proof of Flynns actions with an Internet conspiracy theory, can you???

The fact that you aren't even aware of the reason why Flynn was prosecuted only further demonstrates your ignorance.

Epic fail. Go to the back of the class.

 

[KeithD]

Nope, still haven't seen a single believable "he didn't do it" comment on the acts of treason the slimeball money-grubbing Flynn is clearly identified as having done. Everything involves mealy-mouthed efforts to squirm out of what followed in the legal wrangling.

 

[jomar]

Nope, still haven't seen a single believable "he didn't do it" comment on the acts of treason the slimeball money-grubbing Flynn is clearly identified as having done. Everything involves mealy-mouthed efforts to squirm out of what followed in the legal wrangling.

Well, according to this article there’s fuckery afoot...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...dada24-aa81-11ea-9063-e69bd6520940_story.html

...but it’s an extreme left wing progressive rag so it’s hard to take seriously, of course.

 

[bestone4ever]

Flynn is still guilty, right?

 

[Conager]

Never was, according to everyone that gets an actual say in that.

 

[bestone4ever]

Oh, he's just another liar.

 

[KeithD]

Never was, according to everyone that gets an actual say in that.

You can cite a source that claims he wasn't receiving--and giving favors from/to the Russians while becoming a U.S. foreign policy official or that he wasn't working for the Turks also--and proof/evidence that he had registered as a lobbyist for a foreign power?

You can cite any evidence he wasn't guilty of this? Stop avoiding this. This isn't about efforts to slip out from underneath legal wrangling. This is a guilty slimeball.

 

[Adre]

Rightguide hasn't found fault in the Republican Party since Nixon.

He doesn’t look for them. Lazy man’s politics.

 

[Conager]

Well, according to this article there’s fuckery afoot...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...dada24-aa81-11ea-9063-e69bd6520940_story.html

...but it’s an extreme left wing progressive rag so it’s hard to take seriously, of course.

The "court appointed advisor" which no court has yet held any court can appoint was appointed by the court after writing an OP-ed asserting, without merit all of those things.

This isn't a case where the court was puzzled, and sought "advice." This was a case where a partisan hack, just as invested as say FakeSpyPilot or whoever Lazareth is the latest incarnation of is auditioned for the job by cobbling together a silly legal theory and penning an OP-ed for Sullivan to grasp at.

If his legal theory holds, every defendant that is every freed as new evidence exonerating them comes to light after they were coerced into "confessing" things they did not do in order to avoid the peril of greater charges would have to go right back to prison for perjuring themselves with the elocution they made of their guilt.

I think the percentage of cases that plead out are in the high nineties. The entire concept of accusations of systemic racism in the criminal justice system where any merit is to be found is in the fact that impoverished defendants, which are disproportionately minority, are unable to afford robust defense that makes rolling the dice at an actual trial, with more jail time at stake, a viable option.

Public defenders and prosecutors have a cozy relationship involving "let's make a deal" that both saves both sides a lot of actual lawyerin' work but is actually necessary to keep the case loads from grinding to a halt.

Flynn was, by design, effectively bankrupted with what should have been effective and was expensive expensive laeyerin' that was no better than a rookie P.D. because they were illegally intimidated by Weissman's minions into looking the other way while Flynn was rolled.

They probably justified it in their minds because the deal they got for their client involved no jail time. "Sign here, and this legal nightmare ends."

Where Wiseman fucked-up was reneging on that deal and deciding that they wanted to go after jail time after all when the Mueller farce fell apart, just to put Trump in an awkward position. That brought in Sydney Powell pro-bono and she has exposed and beaten Weissman before and knew what to look for because she knows how the slimeball lawyer operates.

I'm pretty sure the Washington Post which is pretending that this breatless rehash of his op-ed audition piece is actual news was the same paper Gleeson planted his audition in.

 

[Conager]

You can cite a source that claims he wasn't receiving--and giving favors from/to the Russians while becoming a U.S. foreign policy official or that he wasn't working for the Turks also--and proof/evidence that he had registered as a lobbyist for a foreign power?

You can cite any evidence he wasn't guilty of this? Stop avoiding this. This isn't about efforts to slip out from underneath legal wrangling. This is a guilty slimeball.

Story Ideas forum is still over ----> there, you fraud.

Flynn was never charged with any such thing. No one is prosecuted for any such thing. Why would I bother to deconstruct your strawmen?

 

[HisArpy]

Story Ideas forum is still over ----> there, you fraud.

Flynn was never charged with any such thing. No one is prosecuted for any such thing. Why would I bother to deconstruct your strawmen?

Worse, since WHEN does anyone have to prove their innocence?

 

[Conager]

Worse, since WHEN does anyone have to prove their innocence?

Depends.

Are we talking about a connected Democrat? If not, the "not exonerated" legal standard applies.

How does Weissman and his merry band of miscreants hold on to their legal credentials?

 

[HisArpy]

Depends.

Are the a Democrat? If not, the "not exonerated" legal standard applies.

How does Weissman and his merry band of miscreants hold on to their legal credentials?

The idjits seem to always start with "he's guilty" in their rants. Yet they also say they're clued up legal experts at the same time.

 

[icanhelp1]

The agents original notes from the interview were the basis for the final draft of the 302. Every document goes through a drafting phase to produce the final draft.

From my understanding, his original counsel was not initially given a copy of the 302 for multiple reasons, most notably, because the FBI had not yet charged Flynn, and was not required to give his counsel the information before beginning their prosecution.

Once Flynn was charged and being prosecuted, the government provided Flynns team with the FBI agents interview notes and the final draft of the 302.

Flynns legal counsel had access to the interviewing agents notes and the final draft of the 302.

Judge Sullivan also looked at the interviewing agents notes and the final draft of the 302 and concluded that there was no material difference between them.

The "Lawfare" site has the most comprehensive analysis of the Flynn case I have found to date. The summary titled "Flynn Redux: What those FBI Documents really show", should be required reading for anyone interested in justice regarding the Flynn case.

You won't like it of course, because it debunks every claim you have made.

^^^^^^

The original 302s is critical evidence, it's documentary evidence which is the basis and foundation of all other documents derived from the original source.


The writer seems to be sketching out thoughts—it is not clear whose—on how the bureau should navigate the politically tricky investigation, particularly regarding whether or not the FBI should allow Flynn to lie or confront him with evidence of his falsehood. The notes appear to show the writer moving toward the argument that the bureau should take the latter path. “What’s urgent?” the writer asks. “Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” The notes go on:

We regularly show subjects evidence with the goal of getting them to admit their wrongdoing

I don’t see how getting someone to admit their wrongdoing is going easy on him
If we get him to admit to breaking the Logan Act, give this to DOJ and have them decide

Or, if he initially lies, then we present him [redacted] and he admits it, document for DOJ, and let them decide how to address it

If we’re seen as playing games, WH [White House] will be furious
Protect our institution by not playing games

That logic appears to be an attempt by the FBI at predetermining an outcome.

Flynn was never charged with a FARA VIOLATION!

The threat of a LOGAN violation has no precedent and is so Andrew Weissmann like.

What your missing is that the investigation had no predicate to begin with much like the Mueller report. It's all fruit of the poison tree.

 

[Lazaran]

Story Ideas forum is still over ----> there, you fraud.

Flynn was never charged with any such thing. No one is prosecuted for any such thing. Why would I bother to deconstruct your strawmen?

Stop playing games

Flynn was guilty of violating the Logan act, and acting as an unregistered paid agent for a foreign power(Turkey), he just wasn't prosecuted for it and found guilty in a court of law. The dropping of that charge was actually part of Flynns plea deal.
Just like Flynn was guilty of having "supposedly unsanctioned by Trump" conversations with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak regarding US sanctions imposed on Russia for their attack on US elections. Those were the conversations he lied to the FBI about, leading to the charges(lying to the FBI) he WAS prosecuted for in a court of law, and those were the charges he pled GUILTY to.

Judge Sullivan actually wondered aloud why Flynn wasn't charged with treason for his actions.

Flynn is guilty of a lot more than he was prosecuted for, and ultimately pled guilty to.

Stop playing games.

 

[KeithD]

Story Ideas forum is still over ----> there, you fraud.

Flynn was never charged with any such thing. No one is prosecuted for any such thing. Why would I bother to deconstruct your strawmen?

There you go on the deflecting/distracting afterwards legal wrangling again. We all know what he did. It's right out in the open. He colluded with the Russians, working on Russia's agenda, not that of the United States, and he was in the employ of the Turks, working the Turk's agenda, not that of the United States--and without declaring as an agent of Turkey. He did this as he was becoming a top-ranked U.S. foreign policy official (and he was a U.S. military general to boot). You haven't disputed this. You can't dispute this. You have to mealy-mouth on legal minutia because you can't refute the treason the slimeball was engaged in where we have all seen it just to line his pockets with money.

If you are an American, you are being the same treasonous slimeball that Flynn is. If you're not, you're just being a slimeball. (Congrats or something)