More on the Flynn case

[icanhelp1]

Stop playing games

Flynn was guilty of violating the Logan act, and acting as an unregistered paid agent for a foreign power(Turkey), he just wasn't prosecuted for it and found guilty in a court of law. The dropping of that charge was actually part of Flynns plea deal.
Just like Flynn was guilty of having "supposedly unsanctioned by Trump" conversations with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak regarding US sanctions imposed on Russia for their attack on US elections. Those were the conversations he lied to the FBI about, leading to the charges(lying to the FBI) he WAS prosecuted for in a court of law, and those were the charges he pled GUILTY to.

Judge Sullivan actually wondered aloud why Flynn wasn't charged with treason for his actions.

Flynn is guilty of a lot more than he was prosecuted for, and ultimately pled guilty to.

Stop playing games.

And yet it was OK for Clinton to run the State Debt on an unsecured server in clear violation of U.S. code 18 sect 1924 and 798 which had clear national security implications. Col. Vindman attempted to depose a duly elected president and Flynn's the criminal. It's the same FBI in both cases and wrong on both counts

 

[Conager]

Sullivan reads the same planted news stories you do and his reliance on "facts" not in evidence indict him for this miscarriage of justice, not Flynn.

There are procedural rules and rules of evidence to prevent just the sort of injustice that you are openly advocating. Distinctly unamerican attitude towards the rule of law by all of the usual shallow twits with no respect for or understanding of the law that protects them, whether they appreciate it or not.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

And yet it was OK for Clinton to run the State Debt on an unsecured server in clear violation of U.S. code 18 sect 1924 and 798 which had clear national security implications. Col. Vindman attempted to depose a duly elected president and Flynn's the criminal. It's the same FBI in both cases and wrong on both counts

Your aware that Colin Powell did basically the same thing right?

https://www.vox.com/2016/9/8/12846988/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email

“What I did do was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient.)” Powell wrote on January 23, 2009. “So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without going through the State Department servers. I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.”

 

[Conager]

#Whataboutism

 

[icanhelp1]

Sullivan reads the same planted news stories you do and his reliance on "facts" not in evidence indict him for this miscarriage of justice, not Flynn.

There are procedural rules and rules of evidence to prevent just the sort of injustice that you are openly advocating. Distinctly unamerican attitude towards the rule of law by all of the usual shallow twits with no respect for or understanding of the law that protects them, whether they appreciate it or not.

The Flynn case is just a minute symptom of a much larger miscarriage of justice which has been researched to death on GB. The left is great at designer criminal accusations WHILE IGNORING THEIR OWN BACK YARD. How many process crimes is Weissmann responsible for promoting, his favorite being obstruction of justice.

 

[icanhelp1]

Your aware that Colin Powell did basically the same thing right?

https://www.vox.com/2016/9/8/12846988/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email

“What I did do was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient.)” Powell wrote on January 23, 2009. “So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without going through the State Department servers. I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.”

That's not the same.

 

[Lazaran]

^^^^^^

The original 302s is critical evidence, it's documentary evidence which is the basis and foundation of all other documents derived from the original source.

What your missing is that the investigation had no predicate to begin with much like the Mueller report. It's all fruit of the poison tree.
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The original notes written by the agents interviewing Flynn, as well as the final draft of the 302 which is predicated on those notes, were made available to Flynns counsel.

The tress fruit is untainted.

Flynn was an unregistered agent of Turkey and was having clandestine conversations with Russian ambassador Kislyak about US sanctions against Russia right after Russia had attacked the US elections, and you think the FBI investigation was unwarranted???

Are you even an American???

 

[Fuzzy1975]

That's not the same.

Your correct, Powell did set up a government account, whereas Clinton never did. That is the ONLY difference...

 

[Lazaran]

#Whataboutism

Your fucking kidding right???


One of your bots just brought up Climtons E-Mails, and some wild deflection about Vindman trying to depose Trump, in response to being "educated" on the Flynn case.

GMAFB

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Your fucking kidding right???


One of your bots just brought up Climtons E-Mails, and some wild deflection about Vindman trying to depose Trump, in response to being "educated" on the Flynn case.

GMAFB

I am not even following the Flynn case, but I can tell you there is a whole lot of uneducated people defending Flynn here on the BB.

 

[Conager]

The original notes written by the agents interviewing Flynn, as well as the final draft of the 302 which is predicated on those notes, were made available to Flynns counsel.

The tress fruit is untainted.

Flynn was an unregistered agent of Turkey and was having clandestine conversations with Russian ambassador Kislyak about US sanctions against Russia right after Russia had attacked the US elections, and you think the FBI investigation was unwarranted???

Are you even an American???

What bullshit. There are no original notes, there is no such thing as a "final" 302 and nothing was provided to Flynn's original counsel that advised him to take a plea and what little has been provided had to be pried out of the government by court order after government false statements that no Brady material existed. The reluctantly and quite belatedly produced Brady material is the entire basis for withdrawing the coerced plea, and the reason that the government had to drop the case or be reversed on appeal.

You don't even have the basics right.

 

[jomar]

The "court appointed..l

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Nothing personal, but I edited because there was a bunch of unintelligible stuff in there that didn’t make any sense whatsoever (are you posting from a phone?).

Fuckery afoot aside, I’m happy if true justice will be served. Is that even possible?

 

[icanhelp1]

The original notes written by the agents interviewing Flynn, as well as the final draft of the 302 which is predicated on those notes, were made available to Flynns counsel.

The tress fruit is untainted.

Flynn was an unregistered agent of Turkey and was having clandestine conversations with Russian ambassador Kislyak about US sanctions against Russia right after Russia had attacked the US elections, and you think the FBI investigation was unwarranted???

Are you even an American???

In the original interview by the FBI they state in their original notes on jan 24 that they believed Flynn was telling the truth and that the case should be dropped. Powell's case is the 302s were manipulated later on and the originals were never produced. Even McCabe agreed that flynn did not lie, so at this stage why does the case go any further, Peter Strzok had a mission to complete and that mission was destroy Flynn at all cost. Strzok was the same FBI agent that dismissed Clinton. You don't see a bias there then you're un-american.
To suggest Sullivan is an impartial jurist is laughable on it's face.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

In the original interview by the FBI they state in their original notes on jan 24 that they believed Flynn was telling the truth and that the case should be dropped. Powell's case is the 302s were manipulated later on and the originals were never produced. Even McCabe agreed that flynn did not lie, so at this stage why does the case go any further, Peter Strzok had a mission to complete and that mission was destroy Flynn at all cost. Strzok was the same FBI agent that dismissed Clinton. You don't see a bias there then you're un-american.
To suggest Sullivan is an impartial jurist is laughable on it's face.

Did Flynn lie?

 

[KeithD]

Did Flynn engage directly with the Russians in, he thought, secret, assuring them of pro-Russian policies to come? Did Flynn take money to promote Turkish interests and inject them into U.S. foreign policy and not register as an agent for a foreign government?

 

[Conager]

Nothing personal, but I edited because there was a bunch of unintelligible stuff in there that didn’t make any sense whatsoever (are you posting from a phone?).

Fuckery afoot aside, I’m happy if true justice will be served. Is that even possible?

It would already be served if Sulivan had ruked appropriately or rule inappropriately and been reversed. Putting Flynn in limbo is certainly not justice.

 

[Conager]

Did Flynn engage directly with the Russians in, he thought, secret, assuring them of pro-Russian policies to come? Did Flynn take money to promote Turkish interests and inject them into U.S. foreign policy and not register as an agent for a foreign government?

No.

Did Flynn lie?

No.

 

[Lazaran]

What bullshit. There are no original notes, there is no such thing as a "final" 302 and nothing was provided to Flynn's original counsel that advised him to take a plea and what little has been provided had to be pried out of the government by court order after government false statements that no Brady material existed. The reluctantly and quite belatedly produced Brady material is the entire basis for withdrawing the coerced plea, and the reason that the government had to drop the case or be reversed on appeal.

You don't even have the basics right.

Give it up. You have lost.

Judge Sullivan already ruled that the final version of the 302 tracked with the interviewing agents original notes. He also determined that nobody made Flynn lie in his FBI interview.

The fuckery as some like to call it, is the legal smokescreen Flynns new counsel Sidnee Powell is puffing out by splitting hairs over a first draft of the 302 based on the interviewing agents notes that was discarded after the final draft of the 302 was completed. Again, all documents go through a drafting process to fix grammar and prepare them for presentation. There is no murky mystery to solve.

Just like there is no murky mystery about Bill Priestap's notes regarding how they should conduct Flynns interview. He himself just made clear that Bill Barr lied when he used his notes to suggest that the government knowingly and maliciously entrapped Flynn. His notes were meant to warn the interviewing agents about crossing the line and causing political drama. The agents heeded those warnings and there was no undue coercion in the interview. By the way, it is actually legal for investigators to lie to a witness to get them to incriminate themselves, but the agents interviewing Flynn didn't do that. The agents actually gave Flynn opportunities to correct the lies he made. When Flynn lied during the interview, and the agents knew he lied, based on his recorded conversations with Kislyak, they gave him information to help him tell the truth, like exact phrases he used in his recorded calls, but Flynn stuck to his lies.

Seriously, you can just give up now. Your attempt at rewriting history has been exposed.

If you want to know the truth just read the Lawfare report titled "Flynn Redux: What Those Documents Really Show.

Everything you need to educate yourself is in that one article.

 

[Conager]

The only thing "rewritten" was the 302.

You just described hearsay evidence. The original agent who wrote the 302 is the witness. His 302 is the contemporaneous record of that interview. Subsequent edits and revisions, especially by people not present at the interview render that evidence non-existent.

Quoting the partisan hacks at Lawfare-blog (who have been wrong on the law and wrong on every prediction of outcome throughout obstruction, Mueller, Ukraine, and the trumped-up impeachment) rather than the actual transcript of the call and the actual charging document is giggle-worthy.

You just lectured us the other day about how you would never cite a blog as an authority, and here you ate doing it, because they have "law" in their title.

 

[phrodeau]

In the original interview by the FBI they state in their original notes on jan 24 that they believed Flynn was telling the truth and that the case should be dropped. Powell's case is the 302s were manipulated later on and the originals were never produced. Even McCabe agreed that flynn did not lie, so at this stage why does the case go any further, Peter Strzok had a mission to complete and that mission was destroy Flynn at all cost. Strzok was the same FBI agent that dismissed Clinton. You don't see a bias there then you're un-american.
To suggest Sullivan is an impartial jurist is laughable on it's face.

Strzok was head of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI, with experience in ferreting out Russian spies. Sounds to me like he was doing his job.

 

[Conager]

Strzok was head of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI, with experience in ferreting out Russian spies. Sounds to me like he was doing his job.

Orly?

Why is it he didn't find any, then?

 

[Lazaran]

The only thing "rewritten" was the 302.

You just described hearsay evidence. The original agent who wrote the 302 is the witness. His 302 is the contemporaneous record of that interview. Subsequent edits and revisions, especially by people not present at the interview render that evidence non-existent.

Quoting the partisan hacks at Lawfare-blog (who have been wrong on the law and wrong on every prediction of outcome throughout obstruction, Mueller, Ukraine, and the trumped-up impeachment) rather than the actual transcript of the call and the actual charging document is giggle-worthy.

You just lectured us the other day about how you would never cite a blog as an authority, and here you ate doing it, because they have "law" in their title.

I just cited Lawfare because they shared Judge Sullivan's rulings on the 302 and on the claim of coercion. The article "Flynn Redux: What those FBI Documents Really Show", specifically and convincingly debunks every claim you have made. You're the one claiming that the original notes taken from the Flynn interview somehow don't reflect what is contained in the final draft of the 302. You also claim Flynn was coerced into a confession and that somehow the FBI had maliciously sought to entrap Flynn. Bill Priestap just revealed that the infamous notes warning about how the government should proceed when interviewing Flynn were just that. A warning. He also revealed that Bill Barr failed to include his personal explanation about the purpose of those notes when he moved to end the Flynn prosecution. That is one of the reasons Judge Sullivan didn't go along with the DOJ's decision to drop the case. Many of Barrs justifications for dropping the case are bogus.

Your claims and Barrs justifications are not supported by any evidence I have been able to find. On the contrary, all the evidence points to Flynn being exactly who he appeared to be; an unregistered agent for a foreign government (Turkey), and a tool for the Russian government who lied under oath, in a fairly administered FBI interview about conversations he had with the Russian ambassador concerning sanctions levied against Russia by President Obama in response to Russia attacks on the 2016 US election.

As far as Lawfare is concerned, I haven't read any of their other reports, but if you say they got it wrong, I'm guessing they probably got it exactly right.

Trump is impeached forever, Mueller did not exonerate Trump in the Russia investigation, and Trumps abuse of his office when leveraging the Ukrainians was part of his impeachment.

You really do suck at this.

 

[KeithD]

You really do suck at this.

Why, yes, yes he is and there's nothing to be gained by just pointing out repeatedly how bogus his position is. What's going to happen is going to happen. If Trump can't cheat a win, he and a whole bunch of his cronies are for the slammer.

 

[Rightguide]

No.



No.

In reality the case against Flynn should be dropped for the simplest of reasons. The charge that Flynn lied in a "material" way to the FBI can not be prosecuted beyond a reasonable doubt. The two agents didn't believe Flynn lied and Comey himself said Flynn's guilt was a "close call" which isn't anywhere near "beyond a reasonable doubt." Put that on top of the facts now known that the case against Flynn was not legally predicated in the first place and you have one big loser. Sullivan's intransigence is more about his reputation and animus towards Flynn than it is about any wrongdoing on Flynn's part.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

In reality the case against Flynn should be dropped for the simplest of reasons. The charge that Flynn lied in a "material" way to the FBI can not be prosecuted beyond a reasonable doubt. The two agents didn't believe Flynn lied and Comey himself said Flynn's guilt was a "close call" which isn't anywhere near "beyond a reasonable doubt." Put that on top of the facts now known that the case against Flynn was not legally predicated in the first place and you have one big loser. Sullivan's intransigence is more about his reputation and animus towards Flynn than it is about any wrongdoing on Flynn's part.

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