Here are my feelings on this heartbreaking incident. The self defense/ castle doctrine is overly broad. The use of deadly force in this incident is unjustified. Even if simply by the fact that the victim was outnumbered. Secondly if you intend to make a citizen's arrest (which was not legal in this case) you must be held to the exact same standards as law enforcement. Namely, reasonable, articulable suspicion of a crime. There was absolutely none here. Secondly you assume personal liability for the outcome. You will be held personally liable for any civil rights violation. You will be held personally liable for unwarranted injury or death. That means you LOSE EVERYTHING. You go to prison. You lose all your possessions in the civil trial. These two assholes need to be screwed hard to serve as an example to the other fuckwads out there.
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The video is pretty damning.
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The two cunts hunted him down and executed him. Because he was black. They deserve life in stir. And the DA deserves a massive kicking.
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The Brunswick Police Department is highly dysfunctional.
The police chief is currently suspended with pay for lying to the GBI about his drug task force pocketing drug dealers' money.
The police force was pilloried last year for responding to a domestic violence call. They arrived onsite, noticed the man accused of domestic violence was a former officer, had a few laughs with him (recorded on body cam), then left with no action taken. The ex-cop then shot his ex-wife, her boyfriend and committed suicide.
And now this absolutely racist incident.
The police chief is currently suspended with pay for lying to the GBI about his drug task force pocketing drug dealers' money.
The police force was pilloried last year for responding to a domestic violence call. They arrived onsite, noticed the man accused of domestic violence was a former officer, had a few laughs with him (recorded on body cam), then left with no action taken. The ex-cop then shot his ex-wife, her boyfriend and committed suicide.
And now this absolutely racist incident.
Amen! Send them to prison for a good long time!
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What would you do if you saw a black man running down the street. These guys were obviously scared for their lives.
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I don't think the Self Defense / Castle Doctrine will apply here. Travis McMichael was not in his home or vehicle (he was outside his truck) when the shooting occurred. Nor should self defense apply, even though his lawyer will argue that, because Travis initiated the shooting by brandishing a firearm. I was taught in CCW class that if you initiate a confrontation with a firearm, the self defense defense is basically forfeit.
I agree that deadly force appears unjustified because McMichael confronted Ahmaud Arbery with a firearm. Arbery attempted to defend himself against an armed assailant, but was killed defending himself. I wonder if Arbery would have been better off to run away, risking the McMichaels shooting him in the back. But we will never know.
It's my understanding that a citizen's arrest requires that a private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge.” Which is a higher bar than law enforcement. The McMichaels had neither.
The McMichaels are going to get sued big time.
I agree that deadly force appears unjustified because McMichael confronted Ahmaud Arbery with a firearm. Arbery attempted to defend himself against an armed assailant, but was killed defending himself. I wonder if Arbery would have been better off to run away, risking the McMichaels shooting him in the back. But we will never know.
It's my understanding that a citizen's arrest requires that a private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge.” Which is a higher bar than law enforcement. The McMichaels had neither.
The McMichaels are going to get sued big time.
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Sued my arse, they deserve life for premeditaded murder.
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From the looks of their arrest video...
Sued for what? Possession of their bass boat?
Sued for what? Possession of their bass boat?
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Murdering an innocent man, perhaps?
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Not the point.
Yes, you can sue them, but how is the lawyer going to get paid,
what are you going to get out of it?
It's a pure criminal case.
This is how things work in America.
Very few lawyers are going to take a win-win case on their dime.
Only a certain type of lawyer would do that, say, a guy like Avenatti...
Yes, you can sue them, but how is the lawyer going to get paid,
what are you going to get out of it?
It's a pure criminal case.
This is how things work in America.
Very few lawyers are going to take a win-win case on their dime.
Only a certain type of lawyer would do that, say, a guy like Avenatti...
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Oh, look, Mr. rent-a-gook himself has decided to weigh in on the Racism of others...
lol
lol
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Hey, speaking of rent-a-gook, how is Princess Little Shit doing these days?
You rarely if ever mention her anymore.
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How totally predictable; rubbery getting caught promoting racism and immediately goes Ad Hom in order to deflect away from his fuckup.
It's so reliable you can set your Timex by it.
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To be fair, RacistDownSouth is a qualified expert on white-trash Georgia racists. At least two-and a half generations back, Pookie-style.
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why the heck not? they racially profiled, chased down, and slaughtered a black man.
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Georgia doesn't have a hate crime law.
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Georgians are the pioneers of hate crimes.
#MAGA
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my lord.
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My criminal law instructor in college, who is black, once told the class that all those "equality laws" shouldn't be necessary. Because the law doesn't see skin color or gender.
Then he told us that because some people only see skin color/gender, that's why those laws exist.
It was rather profound when you get beyond the surface of the words used. I don't have a problem with anyone not wanting to personally associate with other individuals because of their physical characteristics and traits. If they want to take that stupidity into the sphere where the law says they can't do that kind of thing, then they get what they deserve.
I do have a problem with the law treating people differently because of either the defendant or victim's skin color/gender.
Based on the video, those two assholes murdered someone. It doesn't matter if the dead guy was black, white, orange, green, or any other color in the crayon box, he was a human being and it looks like they just murdered him.
Upon conviction there should only be 1 penalty for that. And the degree of punishment shouldn't depend on the color of the victim's skin. If they're guilty, hang 'em. Hanging them from a morally higher branch doesn't change the manner of carrying out the sentence or that they're just as dead afterward.
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Except the law has no bearing on the racism of potentional jurors,
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The original explanation I saw from the idiot in Brunswick was maybe the most illogical thing I ever heard — something along the lines of "If a man aims a gun at you and you make an attempt to defend yourself against him, it automatically becomes a self-defense scenario for the armed man and therefore he's now allowed to shoot you."
Joseph Heller couldn't have dreamed that one up.
Joseph Heller couldn't have dreamed that one up.
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