Anne Sacoolas

[captainblackadder67]

What's the view in the USA, of this lady driving on the wrong side of the road, killing a lad on a motorbike, admitting being on the wrong side of the road to a witness, again to a police officer the following day, then leaving the country and pleading diplomatic immunity?

 

[RoryN]

Our President's response: these things happen. So, y'know...no big deal.

(It sucks, and I hope she faces justice for his death.)

 

[seeshelly]

Sanctuary cities.

Sounds like she needs to find a sanctuary city. There are lots of them in the USA. They draw criminals and refuse to help law enforcement. Even creeps that rape kids are welcome by the socialist sanctuary cities. But to your question: I think people that take human life need to be held accountable. That is why mommies that kill their unborn and the doctors and nurses that help out all need to face justice. Tragically, there is very little justice in this world.

 

[captainblackadder67]

Interesting, thanks folks

 

[dolf]

She would have faced a slap on the wrist, had she stayed. If she was sober, within the speed limit, and just made a horrible mistake then she wouldn't face jail time.
I can understand her running though. It's the wrong thing to do, but she must have been traumatised and scared. Unless she's having a full breakdown, her family should be supporting her to face the music and try to make amends.

The "shit happens" brush off statement was just callous. He should be paying someone to teach him to feign compassion.

 

[HisArpy]

She would have faced a slap on the wrist, had she stayed. If she was sober, within the speed limit, and just made a horrible mistake then she wouldn't face jail time.
I can understand her running though. It's the wrong thing to do, but she must have been traumatised and scared. Unless she's having a full breakdown, her family should be supporting her to face the music and try to make amends.

The "shit happens" brush off statement was just callous. He should be paying someone to teach him to feign compassion.

She is the spouse of an American diplomat. As such, under the Geneva conventions she has diplomatic immunity. Through that immunity she couldn't even be arrested let alone prosecuted.

What happened is tragic. But as was said, this kind of shit happens every day. Singling out Scaooolas for "special treatment" because she's American and it can be used politically is just fucking not cool. You either support the law or you don't and the law says she is immune (unless the US State Dept revokes that immunity which is exceedingly rarely done.).


In the end it comes down to a simple statement - grow the fuck up.

 

[heathergives]

I suppose, given that the US and UK both being signatories to the Geneva Conventions, if a similar incident had occurred here, the UK national in question would be free to leave the US as well.

Just sayin'...

 

[dolf]

She is the spouse of an American diplomat. As such, under the Geneva conventions she has diplomatic immunity. Through that immunity she couldn't even be arrested let alone prosecuted.

What happened is tragic. But as was said, this kind of shit happens every day. Singling out Scaooolas for "special treatment" because she's American and it can be used politically is just fucking not cool. You either support the law or you don't and the law says she is immune (unless the US State Dept revokes that immunity which is exceedingly rarely done.).


In the end it comes down to a simple statement - grow the fuck up.

Diplomatic immunity would cover arrest and prosecution, but that doesn't mean that the right and proper thing to do isn't to stay and help with enquiries. Skipping the country isn't ok.

The spirit of the law is that diplomats and their families can't be used as pawns by hostile government, not that diplomats shouldn't be expected to give all possible help in inquiries after they accidentally kill someone.


Grow some sense of decency.

 

[captainblackadder67]

Apparently, he's not a diplomat. He was in the security forces, and diplomatic immunity might well not apply

 

[jaF0]

Anne Sacoolas, U.S. Diplomat's Wife, to Face British Court for Crash That Killed Harry Dunn

Sacoolas, accused of causing the 2019 accident that caused the death of 19-year-old Dunn in Britain, will reportedly see British court in some form in January.


https://www.newsweek.com/anne-sacoo...sh-court-crash-that-killed-harry-dunn-1659007

 

[Champakian]

No one cared two years ago.
Why do you think they care now?

 

[oggbashan]

No one cared two years ago.
Why do you think they care now?

We in the UK care. If she had gone on trial, the penalty might have been minimal. There is severe doubt that she or her husband actually had diplomatic immunity.

there is also the unequal treaty between the US and UK on extradition. UK citizens can be easily extradited to the US, but the other way around? Very, very unlikely.

It is not the death she caused that brought upset in the UK, but her flight with so-called (but unproven) diplomatic immunity. We expect that from a rogue state, but from the US, the upholder of the rule of law? It stinks - but may not be her fault but that of US authorities who have consistently blocked any semblance of a trial.

 

[jaF0]

Bitch never should have gotten out of the airport back then. Put her on the next plane back.

 

[oggbashan]

Imagine the reverse situation;

A woman, married to a Brit working in Washington, kills an American motorcyclist by driving on the wrong side of the road. Would the US let her return to the UK, claiming diplomatic immunity? I don't think so.

 

[Champakian]

Who would care?


Have you seen the daily death count there?

 

[JohnnySavage]

I remember something like this happening when I was in DC. I don't recall what country the diplomats were from, but I recall at least three incidence of drunk drivers killing people and then leaving the country.

I agree with the Dolf though, this isn't the situation the immunity is intended to apply to.

 

[jaF0]

^^ There was a bigger case a while back with some mid-eastern prince accused of diddling girls that didn't want to be diddled.

 

[Champakian]

If you aren't extremely liberal with rules for their diplomats,
just imagine what they would do to your diplomats...

It's pure quid pro quo by necessity.

 

[JohnnySavage]

They are still supposed to follow the host nation's laws. In DC it was common to see double parked cars with diplomatic plates. No tickets and if you were blocked in, there was nothing the police could do.

 

[islandman]

We in the UK care. If she had gone on trial, the penalty might have been minimal. There is severe doubt that she or her husband actually had diplomatic immunity.

there is also the unequal treaty between the US and UK on extradition. UK citizens can be easily extradited to the US, but the other way around? Very, very unlikely.

It is not the death she caused that brought upset in the UK, but her flight with so-called (but unproven) diplomatic immunity. We expect that from a rogue state, but from the US, the upholder of the rule of law? It stinks - but may not be her fault but that of US authorities who have consistently blocked any semblance of a trial.

Those who do not treat justice as a malleable construct also care.

 

[Champakian]

They are still supposed to follow the host nation's laws. In DC it was common to see double parked cars with diplomatic plates. No tickets and if you were blocked in, there was nothing the police could do.

There's always the crowbar in the trunk.

Then you tell them that was a Russian diplomat when they show up for their car.

 

[oggbashan]

They are still supposed to follow the host nation's laws. In DC it was common to see double parked cars with diplomatic plates. No tickets and if you were blocked in, there was nothing the police could do.

The US embassy in London owes more parking fines than all the other countries' embassies combined. They don't care and won't pay.

The flipside is the diplomatic immunity on parking for embassies in Washington.

 

[HUNGRYHOLLOW]

Libturds the scourge of the earth

 

[hobbit.]

probably shouldve just launched a drone strike (from a shipping container in Lincolshire - very apt) killed an entire family who had no connection to the incident at all - declared the war on terror to be going well....... its Amurica, home of the gun culture, who gives a shit if someone goes old school and kills some sap using a car?

 

[thør]

They are still supposed to follow the host nation's laws. In DC it was common to see double parked cars with diplomatic plates. No tickets and if you were blocked in, there was nothing the police could do.

In Moscow, the gangsters park on the sidewalk. Don't even think of walking close enough that your jacket might brush the car.