Democratic Primary Fucktussle!

[JKendallDane]

Which of the above two sounds like a clueless economic SIMPLETON to you with his law degree that's taught him ZILCH about basic everyday economics!

In economic matters, he was an acknowledged dumbass!

Illinois state senator Barack Obama knew NOTHING about basic economics

Question for ya', Dump. Does your inability to use critical thinking skills just occur naturally or is it something you have to make a special effort at?

Even most all two year community colleges require a minimum of macro and micro economics in their degree programs. I had to take three plus an additional concentrated course for my bachelor degrees. Using that as a factual foundation, let's look at your claims about Obama.

To have them be anything but hyperbolic bullshit, we would have to believe that Obama spent two years at Occidental College, two more years at Columbia, and another three years at Harvard Law where he graduated Magna Cum Laude with a Juris Doctorate...yet managed to get through those seven years without even successfully completing a basic Econ 101 class? REALLY? That's the story you want to run with?

Considering that all three of those institutions are respected for their reputation of being top-of-the-line educational facilities with highly rigorous academic requirements, it's much more likely that he had a pretty intense and varied economics course load beyond just macro and micro classes...probably more like at least four if not five or six increasingly advanced economics classes.

Even if he were an "acknowledged economic dumbass" at least he had the common sense to surround himself with people who had real qualifications and were capable of giving him sound economic advice to drag the country from the ditch of the worst recession in seventy years that he inherited.

Let's compare that to 45's choice of advisors...headed up by a guy whose entire resume consists of "I'm not a respected economist, but I played one on television" and "I'm not an experienced and proven economic guru, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."

Putting Obama side-by-side with 45 and Obama comes across as the second coming of Adam Smith while Donnie Bankruptcy looks like a third grade bully who's trying to figure out if he's making a profit mugging first graders for their lunch money.

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[Dumpington]

KeithD writes: "Obama was humming "We can all get along" for too long."

I think that Barack was a weak president who didn't know what he was doing.

YDB95 writes: "To be fair, you did NOT forget that fiscal austerity during an economic downturn would most likely have brought on a second Great Depression..."

Bullsh*t - there was NEVER going to be any second Great Depression - our economy moves in cycles - if Obama had done absolutely nothing the economy would have righted itself long before it actually did! Obama used Rahm Emanuel's "never let a crisis go to waste" ploy to spend trillions of dollars on "shovel ready" jobs that never materialized! He was (and remains) and economic SIMPLETON!

JKendallDane writes: "Even if he were an "acknowledged economic dumbass" at least he had the common sense to surround himself with people who had real qualifications..."

Barack was an economic simpleton who let "big government" Democrats go on a multi-trillion-dollar spending spree that ultimately added $10-trillion to our nation's debt, after that very same dumbass had earlier said that Bush was "unpatriotic" for increasing our debt by $4-trillion! Obama NEVER understood how business works, Jay-Kendall! He STILL doesn't know!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Question for ya', Dump. Does your inability to use critical thinking skills just occur naturally or is it something you have to make a special effort at?

Even most all two year community colleges require a minimum of macro and micro economics in their degree programs. I had to take three plus an additional concentrated course for my bachelor degrees. Using that as a factual foundation, let's look at your claims about Obama.

To have them be anything but hyperbolic bullshit, we would have to believe that Obama spent two years at Occidental College, two more years at Columbia, and another three years at Harvard Law where he graduated Magna Cum Laude with a Juris Doctorate...yet managed to get through those seven years without even successfully completing a basic Econ 101 class? REALLY? That's the story you want to run with?

Considering that all three of those institutions are respected for their reputation of being top-of-the-line educational facilities with highly rigorous academic requirements, it's much more likely that he had a pretty intense and varied economics course load beyond just macro and micro classes...probably more like at least four if not five or six increasingly advanced economics classes.

Even if he were an "acknowledged economic dumbass" at least he had the common sense to surround himself with people who had real qualifications and were capable of giving him sound economic advice to drag the country from the ditch of the worst recession in seventy years that he inherited.

Let's compare that to 45's choice of advisors...headed up by a guy whose entire resume consists of "I'm not a respected economist, but I played one on television" and "I'm not an experienced and proven economic guru, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."

Putting Obama side-by-side with 45 and Obama comes across as the second coming of Adam Smith while Donnie Bankruptcy looks like a third grade bully who's trying to figure out if he's making a profit mugging first graders for their lunch money.

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Good luck talking any sense into numbskull over there. He's basically an Austrian School or Chicago School Neanderthal like I used to be. The difference is that I can look at facts, my own RL experience, and the gulf between my past ideology and reality and wake the fuck up!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Anyone ever notice that whenever "austerity" is imposed, it's only the poor and other working class schmucks who have to face the hardships and sacrifice. The rich never pay a penny extra toward such concessions. It all comes out of the emptiest purses. Austerity is just an excuse to impoverish the poor even more to pay for fatter pockets for the rich. The poor and middle class pay for the "balanced budgets" that strangely never balance amid tax cuts for the rich and a massive, bloated war machine used to bully people for oil (and no, I don't fault the soldiers, just the political bosses).

 

[Dumpington]

New polling numbers from the RealClearPolitics.com https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ web-site show that Creepy-Sleepy Joe Biden maintains his double-digit lead over the collection of LOSERS vying with him for the 2020 Democratic Party's presidential nomination!

30.4% - Joe Biden - (The progressives are still unable to stop this idiot!)

17.1 - Elizabeth Warren - (Liz isn't much less of an embarrassment than is Gropin' Joe!)

16.3 - Bernie Sanders - (The old white socialist senator can't seem to get any traction!)

6.6 - Kamala Harris - (Once Barack & Michelle began to support her candidacy, Kamala was doomed!)

4.6 - Pete Buttigieg - (Mayor Pete's gone about as far as he can possibly go!)

2.6 - Andrew Yang - (This sorry-assed clown is black in 6th-place!)

2.4 - Cory Booker - (Cory isn't going anywhere fast!)

It'll be interesting to see which candidates begin dropping out following the next series of Democratic Party debates this month.

 

[JackLuis]

Howard Schultz, We Hardly Knew You And We Couldn't Be Happier About That

Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, the pumpkin spice latte of presidential candidates, officially declared today the end of his officially annoying campaign. This greatly disappoints every voter in his bathroom. Schultz offered Americans an independent voice, one that dared to say, "Don't tax me just because I'm insanely wealthy!" We're not sure how independent those ideas are because Republicans have expressed them for decades. It's like re-releasing Garth Brooks albums from the 1990s on an indie label.

Schultz decided to call it quits because his overpaid advisers probably sold him enough invisible clothing to comfortably retire. There was no harm now in telling him that an independent run would definitely help re-elect Donald Trump. We pointed this out for free in February. It's not a shocking concept. Third party candidates historically screw over Democrats (and no, Ross Perot didn't help Bill Clinton win). But Schultz spent months dismissing this legitimate concern.

Another 0%'er steps down!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Is it just me, or have all of the other polls had Joe Biden dropping like a rock?

 

[Dumpington]

SEVERUSMAX writes: "Is it just me, or have all of the other polls had Joe Biden dropping like a rock?"

You'd certainly THINK SO, wouldn't you? Creepy-Sleepy Joe is a complete embarrassment to the Democratic Party, and yet according to the RealClearPolitics.com averaging of all the national polls, he continues to comfortably lead the rest of the pack:

30.1% Joe Biden - ("Gropin' Joe" holds all the levers of power, just like Hillary did in 2016!)

17.6 - Elizabeth Warren - (Liz is way back in a distant 2nd-place!)

16.9 - Bernie Sanders - (When Bernie loses his second-straight shot at the nomination, he's gonna be pissed!)

6.7 - Kamala Harris - (Kamala's day in the sun appears to be over!)

4.4 - Pete Buttigieg - (Mayor Pete can seemingly fundraise, but he CAN'T seem to attract actual voters!)

2.6 - Andrew Yang - (6th-place is about as good as it gets for the Yangster!)

2.4 - Cory Booker - (Cory's not going anywhere!)

And there's still ANOTHER twenty-or-so loser nobodies following the above clown-show!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Nearly all of the polls that I've seen have had Biden dropping, so what polls are they averaging?

Boston Globe, Emerson, several others, had Biden in free fall.

 

[magicalmoments]

I guess this is the problem with political parties that have such a diverse base, it's difficult to find a candidate who has the charisma that appeals to all. You don't need brains, trump ha proved that as did W before him, but you need the X factor, hard to describe but unmissable when it's there.
I agree Biden has to go, although more eloquent than trump he shares the same dementia and appears to be going downhill fast.
Warren should stand down as well. She's smart, articulate, but lacks the X factor and most importantly she's a woman. Americans are not yet mature enough to accept a woman president, her place is in the kitchen.
The others, well the mayor looks like he has potential and I guarantee if he were straight he'd be leading by a country mile. Again Americans are not mature enough to accept a gay president. Maybe in 12 years if he can maintain a national profile, but not now.
No, none of them are looking good.
Americas only chance is if the right republican takes on trump and defeats him in the primary, or of the democrats grow a spine and impeach him, or if trump does a Nixon and resigns with full pardon.

 

[JackLuis]

Or!
If Mike seizes the opportunity to 25th his ass and dumps the chump Trump due to stupidity and brain fade, perhaps he could beat Bernie?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I still think that Tulsi is the most electable option once she could get into the general, which is why she never will. The DNC loves to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It's their talent, that and sabotaging any candidate with a decent shot at winning, i.e. any progressives. We've gone the centrist route already. It led to defeat. Gee, I wonder why?

Bernie or Warren are halfway presentable at least. Biden is a sure-fire loser in 2020 barring an act of the Gods. Harris is a sick joke. Especially given that she has given Trump so much oppo research potential that it's scary. Her and Biden alike.

 

[JackLuis]

I still think that Tulsi is the most electable option once she could get into the general, which is why she never will. The DNC loves to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It's their talent, that and sabotaging any candidate with a decent shot at winning, i.e. any progressives. We've gone the centrist route already. It led to defeat. Gee, I wonder why?

Bernie or Warren are halfway presentable at least. Biden is a sure-fire loser in 2020 barring an act of the Gods. Harris is a sick joke. Especially given that she has given Trump so much oppo research potential that it's scary. Her and Biden alike.

I agree that Tulsi is the "Centrist Choice" over Biden but I'd take Liz, with Bernie as VP with either of them.

 

[YDB95]

Warren should stand down as well. She's smart, articulate, but lacks the X factor and most importantly she's a woman. Americans are not yet mature enough to accept a woman president, her place is in the kitchen.

And that's why Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by three million votes. Watch your assumptions, my friend.

Nearly all of the polls that I've seen have had Biden dropping, so what polls are they averaging?

Dump uses RealClearPolitics, which 1) is right-leaning and 2) just averages all the polls its editors like, without any regard for their reputation or their methodology. Hey, anything to believe Biden is still way out in front. (I'm not sure why when polls have also shown Biden would clobber Trump, but never mind.)

 

[Dumpington]

SEVERUSMAX writes: "Nearly all of the polls that I've seen have had Biden dropping, so what polls are they averaging?"

There are SEVERAL different polls being averaged out, including Economist/YouGov, Politico/Morning Consult, IBD/TIPP, Harvard-Harris, Emerson, Quinnipiac, & The Hill/HarrisX. They're all listed here: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e..._democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

YDB95 writes: "And that's why Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by three million votes. Watch your assumptions, my friend."

And on the early morning of November 9, 2016, Hillary Clinton called Donald Trump to concede defeat. Did they discuss her winning the popular vote? I seriously doubt it. The U.S. Constitution makes it pretty clear that you need to win the ELECTORAL VOTE to win the White House!

"Dump uses RealClearPolitics, which 1) is right-leaning and 2) just averages all the polls its editors like, without any regard for their reputation or their methodology."

HOW exactly is it "right-leaning?" It's just polling. But I can certainly understand why so many Democrats would be upset that Creepy-Sleepy Joe is running away with their party's 2020 presidential nomination! He's a TERRIBLE candidate!

 

[magicalmoments]

A lot of talk in this thread on polls and a lot of ignorance on display.
Polling is a complicated science and if correct methodology is followed a poll can provide highly accurate information. To know how reliable a poll might be you need to study the methodology adopted in conducting it. If the poll is reputable the methodology will be published with the results.
However unless you've studied statistics your chances of being able to assess the methodology is fairly remote.
Your average layman will have to rely on the integrity of the polling agency and more specifically the integrity of the individual manager who was responsible for running the poll.

 

[Dumpington]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdyq69ci6Fc - ("This Magic Moment" by Jay & the Americans - runs 3:05)

magicalmoments writes: "A lot of talk in this thread on polls and a lot of ignorance on display. Polling is a complicated science and if correct methodology is followed a poll can provide highly accurate information."

Yes, and when those polls are conducted wrongly (e.g. trying to get a fabricated result) they can produce ridiculous falsehoods (such as the forecasts of a Hillary Clinton landslide victory in 2016!)

"To know how reliable a poll might be you need to study the methodology adopted in conducting it. If the poll is reputable the methodology will be published with the results."

A LOT of progressive Democrats today really DON'T WANT Creepy-Sleepy Joe Biden to be their party's standard-bearer in 2020, and they bristle with anger everytime they see another poll showing "Gropin' Joe" firmly in the lead! What they fail to understand is that Biden controls the LEVERS OF POWER within that party today (just as Hillary Clinton did in 2016, or Jimmy Carter did in 1980!)

In the American south, for example, where BLACK Democrats dominate that party, Joe remains far more popular than the white socialists from the northeast. Joe will, like Hillary in '16, win nearly ALL of the southern delegates to his party's convention next summer, and he'll win just enough of the delegates in the north & west to defeat all of his many neo-socialist challengers. And then he'll go and do something stupid (like asking Michelle Obama to be his running-mate) to unify his fractured party.

 

[JackLuis]

Dump, Joe hasn't had time to self destruct yet. People haven't paid attention to "the race" yet. Bikini season still isn't over and you want people to "Decide" who should be the next fertilizer of our "Waves of Grain"?

Football is just starting, polls are still based on Name Recognition for the most part. But yes, Joe has the leverage of the establishment and the history of being mentioned for the last 30 years.

Things will change after the impeachment.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I agree that Tulsi is the "Centrist Choice" over Biden but I'd take Liz, with Bernie as VP with either of them.

Irony that on many issues, especially environment and health care, Tulsi's pretty far left. I love that she's a progressive that can still win moderate votes.

 

[magicalmoments]

Wwwhhhooooooooosssshhhhhh.
What was that?
That my friend was the sound of a debateble point going over dumbs head!

 

[YDB95]

For Pete's sake, Dump, the original and best version of "This Magic Moment" was by The Drifters. You can't even get that right!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bacBKKgc4Uo

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "For Pete's sake, Dump, the original and best version of "This Magic Moment" was by The Drifters. You can't even get that right!"

No way, YDB95!

I can understand, however, how some libs in the modern Democratic Party might frown on a musical act using the words: "and the Americans" in its name. Colin Kaepernick has already stated that he'll never listen to "Jay and the Americans" as that name sounds a tad too white supremacist to him.

But while Colin at least has the support of the Nike shoe company, YOU most certainly do NOT, and I will therefore disregard your criticism. For those wishing to judge for themselves, here's your chance to listen to both versions of that song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdyq69ci6Fc - ("This Magic Moment" by Jay and the Americans - runs 3:05)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul041CSNJto - ("This Magic Moment" by the Drifters - runs 2:26)

 

[YDB95]

I can understand, however, how some libs in the modern Democratic Party might frown on a musical act using the words: "and the Americans" in its name.

The really hilarious thing about this, Dump, is there are indeed some hypersensitive lefties who have a problem with that particular group, but not because if its name. Go ahead and see if you can figure out the real reason. I'll wait.

Colin Kaepernick has already stated that he'll never listen to "Jay and the Americans" as that name sounds a tad too white supremacist to him.

Either show us where he said that, or admit you just pulled it out of your wherever.

Incidentally, I like a lot of Jay and the Americans songs. My two favourites are "Cara Mia" and "Let's Lock the Door and Throw Away the Key". But their version of "This Magic Moment" bores me.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I've never had an issue with "Jay and the Americans" myself, and I'm a bit of a lefty.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "The really hilarious thing about this, Dump, is there are indeed some hypersensitive lefties who have a problem with that particular group, but not because if its name. Go ahead and see if you can figure out the real reason."

No idea, YDB95 - I was going to guess that perhaps lead singer John "Jay" Traynor had contributed to the Trump campaign, but then I noticed that he'd passed away back in 2014, so that can't be it.

"Incidentally, I like a lot of Jay and the Americans songs. My two favourites are "Cara Mia" and "Let's Lock the Door and Throw Away the Key". But their version of "This Magic Moment" bores me."

I also liked "She Cried" - which was one of the group's first hits, way back in 1961!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBpm8tITIiE - ("She Cried" by Jay and the Americans - runs 2:35)

SEVERUSMAX writes: "I've never had an issue with "Jay and the Americans" myself, and I'm a bit of a lefty."

I'm curious as to WHY some lefties have a problem with them, as alluded to above by YDB95.