Democratic Primary Fucktussle!

[JKendallDane]

JKendallDane writes: "And yet...nine years later...the ACA still consistently maintains a substantially higher approval rating across America than 45 does."

May favorite thing about the ACA was how it DESTROYED Democratic Party power in both the House & Senate, J-Kendall - I mean...Deflect-deflect-deflect-deflect-deflect and deflect some more until I can scream my favorite two words:

"Gropin' Joe!"

Gawd, Dump. You are such a one trick pony.

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[Dumpington]

JKendallDane writes: "Gawd, Dump. You are such a one trick pony."

If you dislike my calling him "Gropin' Joe" Biden so much, I suppose I could always come up with something new.

How does "Creepy-Sleepy Joe" strike you, Jay-Kendall? Is that better?

I understand that, deep down, MANY Democrats are desperate that their party find another candidate to run for president in 2020, but Sleepy-Creepy Joe continues to hold all of the levers of power, just as Hillary did in 2016. He'll end-up winning the nomination, and then pick somebody like Kamala Harris to run with, which will make Trump's re-election that much easier! The Democratic Party is a mess right now!

 

[JackLuis]

Dump why aren't you posting on the Rethuglican Fucktussle thread? Now that the rethug's are getting all froggy? Gee I set it up for you to get your groove on and you don't care that "Great Leader" is being slandered by wingnuts?

 

[JKendallDane]

JKendallDane writes: "Gawd, Dump. You are such a one trick pony."

If you dislike my calling him "Gropin' Joe" Biden so much, I suppose I could always come up with something new.

Followed by seven full lines of: Deflect on the deflection mode engaged! Deflect! Deflect! Deflect at every turn!

I'm only responding at this point so I can see you embarrass yourself next with a reply that deflects into gay bashing, transgender bashing, Mexican bashing, how we should extinguish the eternal flame on JFK's grave because he banged Marilyn Monroe, and how anyone that doesn't dry hump the flag like 45 isn't a REAL patriot.

It's a tall order, but as you've proven so many other times, it's one I'm sure you can pull off.

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[YDB95]

The Democrats have been playing the long game since Jan 20, 1977, a plan to convert our constitutional republic into an authoritarian socialist state. Warren and her freebie economic policies would completely destroy our economy.

Jan 20, 1977...still angry at Jimmy Carter for asking ALL Americans to take responsibility for their own actions and not just the disenfranchised, are we? Since his administration amounted to the end of the New Deal era, that's a funny way to play a long game. Were we aiming to have the left bounce back a full generation later after incalculable damage had been done? Gee, I guess we are a bunch of geniuses then!

YDB95 writes: "If that is what you meant, then you should have said that."

You obviously weren't around in the late 1990, when the Democrats (and their media allies) were making every excuse under the sun as to why Bill's behavior with Monica Lewinsky wasn't anything serious!

As I already said, I was living in DC and working in politics at the time. I heard exactly what was said, and I never heard what you claimed in your earlier post - which even you have effectively backed off from - we both know you never actually heard anyone say that. Which is why now you're now focusing on far less extreme things that were in fact said.

And the Democrats and their allies were NOT saying what Clinton did wasn't serious. They were saying it wasn't an impeachable offence. Big difference. (Oh, and a Republican-controlled Senate agreed.)

But today they're busy sweeping all of those old, pre-Harvey-Weinsten opinions under the rug! Current Democratic Party presidential candidate (and U.S. Senator) Kirsten Gillibrand was asked by The New York Times if President Clinton should have resigned over the Lewinsky affair. "Yes, I think that would have been the appropriate response," she answered. Only Bill & Hillary were upset with her reply!

You obviously know nothing about what the left in general thinks of Gillibrand (no surprise there). We don't like her a bit. That sort of thing is exactly why.

Back in '92, during Bill's first presidential run, most media outlets ignored those honest allegations by Gennifer Flowers that she'd had a 12-year relationship with candidate Clinton.

How do you know they were honest? Were you there? Or is it just that you wanted the allegations to be true, which is always enough for you to conclude that something is true? (I say this as someone who thinks Bill probably did mess around with Gennifer. But that's beside the point.)

After a protracted legal struggle, Clinton entered into an out-of-court settlement with Paula Jones in her own sexual harassment lawsuit against the president, and Bill's license to practice law was suspended for five years. Kathleen Willey accused Clinton of groping her in the Oval Office. Democrats and their media allies mostly ridiculed Jones and ignored Willey.

Correction: we pointed out that it was rather cynical for people like you to suddenly believe an accuser's every word. And it was. Your kind fought tooth and nail against ERA, Roe v Wade, the Violence Against Women Act and (more recently) the Lily Ledbetter Act. You supported Clarence Thomas at the top of your lungs. But someone accuses a Democrat of sexual impropriety and suddenly you're Andrea Dworkin without the overalls. THAT is what we pushed back against, not the question of Clinton's guilt (most of us were very much aware the man couldn't keep his pants up to save his life, and we didn't like it either).

Dolly Kyle recently published a book about her long affair with Clinton. Over the years, the names of other women involved with “Slick Willie” have also surfaced. Everybody knew what Clinton was doing, and everybody chose to look the other way!

Because it was a private failing, and because the women making the accusations were bankrolled by people who otherwise never gave a damn about women's rights.

Feminist icon Gloria Steinhem insisted that Clinton's defense of abortion rights was more important than the imbalance of power between himself and White House intern Monica Lewinsky. "If all the sexual allegations now swirling around the White House turn out to be true, President Clinton may be a candidate for sex addiction therapy," she wrote in the New York Times in 1998. "But feminists will still have been right to resist pressure by the right wing and the media to call for his resignation or impeachment."

First of all, it's Steinem, not Steinhem. Secondly, I see nothing wrong with what she wrote. The issue wasn't whether Clinton had done anything wrong - EVERYONE I knew agreed that he had - it was whether the punishment fit the crime.

But that kind of thinking changed in the post Harvey Weinstein era - there was actually a headline in The New York Times reading: "I Believe Juanita" - by liberal columnist Michelle Goldberg. Broaddrick had accused the former president of raping her while he was attorney general of Arkansas.

Yes, but she also testified under oath in December 1998 that Clinton didn't rape her. And again, she was bankrolled by right-wingers who otherwise never gave a damn about violence against women.

Atlantic magazine writer Caitlin Flanagan recently wrote the following about the Clinton scandals: "The Democratic Party needs to make its own reckoning of the way it protected Bill Clinton... The party was on the wrong side of history, and there are consequences for that." She continued: "The party needs to come to terms with the fact that it was so enraptured by their brilliant, Big Dog president and his stunning string of progressive accomplishments that it abandoned some of its central principles."

What progressive accomplishments? There was the Family and Medical Leave Act and...that's about it.

"And there's no mystery as to why Obama's numbers slipped a bit in 2012: the economy was still in a slump thanks to the Republicans sabotaging his every effort at improving it."

Nonsense - in 2010, Barack Obama almost-single-handedly DESTROYED his own party's HUGE majorities in the U.S. House & Senate with his badly-flawed health care legislation - the Dems losing 63-House & 6-Senate seats! Barack's was a WEAK presidency, and everybody knew it! 3,580,921 of own voters ABANDONED him in 2012! But that was a nice attempt at re-writing history!

Backlash against Obamacare was another issue, yes. People tend to be afraid of change, and there was an extremely well-funded campaign pushing to fuel that fear. But that wasn't the only issue. The economy is almost always the deciding factor in a presidential election, and in 2012 we still hadn't recovered from Bush's mess.

But despite both that and the backlash against Obamacare, Obama still won.

 

[JackLuis]

Is the DNC Rigging a Presidential Primary — Again?

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) ruled that Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, the young Hawaii Democrat who became an instant internet sensation after the last Democratic presidential primary debate, is ineligible to compete in the next round.

The DNC ruled that in order to secure a spot on the September debate stage, candidates must have procured donations from at least 130,000 individual donors and earned 2 percent support in at least four qualifying polls.

Gabbard exceeded 2 percent support in 26 national and early state polls, but only two of those are on the DNC’s "certified" list.

The Gabbard team shot back that "many of the uncertified polls, including those conducted by highly reputable organizations such as The Economist and the Boston Globe, are ranked by Real Clear Politics and FiveThirtyEight as more accurate than some DNC 'certified' polls."

Her campaign said in a Friday press release, "the Gabbard campaign is calling on the DNC to hold true to their promise and make adjustments to the process now to ensure transparency and fairness."

 

[JackLuis]

Elizabeth Warren Manages to Woo the Democratic Establishment

SAN FRANCISCO—Joe Biden is ostensibly the candidate of the Democratic establishment. But it was Elizabeth Warren—who’s built her career on trying to challenge the status quo—who spent the weekend wowing party insiders.

At this point in Warren’s campaign, it’s not a surprise anymore when she spends hours working a “selfie line” after a major event, as she did following two massive rallies she’s held in the past week. But it was a surprise when more than 150 of the Democratic Party’s biggest donors similarly lined up on Thursday night after her speech at a dinner here—and it struck even some of the Democrats waiting to take photos with her.

“These are people who should not like her,” said one attendee, who spoke to me on the condition of anonymity to avoid showing favoritism. “And they love her.”

“Most of all, she’s smart as shit,” Fowler told me as he tried to put his finger on why he and others like her. “You don’t want a dumb-ass president.”

Has Wall Street lost control of the DNC?

 

[JackLuis]

'This Man Can Beat Trump': Sanders Viewed Most Favorably of 2020 Democratic Candidates

New Gallup poll shows Sen. Bernie Sanders has better image than Joe Biden in eyes of Democratic voters

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) walks in the Independence Day parade with supporters in Ames, Iowa. (Photo: Gage Skidmore/flickr/cc)Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) walks in the Independence Day parade with supporters in Ames, Iowa. (Photo: Gage Skidmore/flickr/cc)A new Gallup poll showed that Bernie Sanders is the most favorably viewed contender for the Democratic presidential ticket.

Gallup released the results of the poll on Friday. It was conducted July 1-12, after first round of Democratic debates, and measured 10 Democratic White House hopefuls.

Sanders led the pack, with 72 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters viewing him favorably. Former Vice President Joe Biden followed at 69 percent. Rounding off the top half of the pack were Sen. Elizabeth Warren at 59 percent, Sen. Kamala Harris at 54 percent, and Sen. Cory Booker at 44 percent.

Journalist, activist, and Sanders supporter Shaun King pointed to the polling on Twitter:

Brand new poll shows what it has shown for 3 straight years - @berniesanders is the most liked elected official in the nation.

LISTEN TO ME. This man can beat Donald Trump. He knows it. I know it.

Now I need you to know it.

 

[JackLuis]

New 2020 National Poll Shows Sanders and Warren Tied for First Place as Biden Drops 13 Points

Monmouth's survey comes as the two progressive senators continue to draw large and enthusiastic crowds across the nation


Published on
Monday, August 26, 2019
by
Common Dreams
New 2020 National Poll Shows Sanders and Warren Tied for First Place as Biden Drops 13 Points

Monmouth's survey comes as the two progressive senators continue to draw large and enthusiastic crowds across the nation
by
Jake Johnson, staff writer
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Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) take the stage at the beginning of the Democratic presidential debate at the Fox Theatre July 30, 2019 in Detroit, Michigan.

Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) take the stage at the beginning of the Democratic presidential debate at the Fox Theatre July 30, 2019 in Detroit, Michigan. (Photo: Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

A Monmouth University poll released Monday showed Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren tied for first place in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary race, while former Vice President Joe Biden fell to second as his support dropped 13 points since June.

The survey found Sanders and Warren are even at 20 percent support from registered Democrats and Democratic-leaning independent voters. Sanders saw the largest jump in support of any candidate in the survey, gaining six points since Monmouth's June poll.

Biden, who leads most national surveys, polled at 19 percent support, down from 32 percent in June.

OHJ is starting to fade even before Iowa votes!

 

[YDB95]

OHJ is starting to fade even before Iowa votes!

Some of us have been predicting as much all along!

 

[Dumpington]

JackLuis asks: "Dump why aren't you posting on the Rethuglican Fucktussle thread?"

I will, Jack, if it ever appears that a serious candidate emerges to challenge Trump in 2020 - but as it now stands, there isn't a single state I see where the Republicans want another candidate. Trump's already got his party's nomination locked-up!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ - New polling numbers released from the RealClearPolitics.com national polling averages still show the two old white men holding down the top two spots:

27.5% - Joe Biden - (Creepy-Sleepy Joe continues to remain comfortably ahead of the pack!)

16.7 - Bernie Sanders - (Bernie's hold on 2nd-place is tenuous, at best!)

16.2 - Elizabeth Warren - (I keep hearing that Liz is making her move, but it never happens!)

7.3 - Kamala Harris - (Kamala had her chance, but Tulsi Gabbard ended it in the last debates!)

4.8 - Pete Buttigieg - (Let's be honest here - Mayor Pete is jockeying for a cabinet post!)

2.8 - Francis O'Rourke - (No, I'm afraid "Beto" won't even be offered a cabinet position!)

2.5 - Cory Booker - (I'm beginning to doubt if Cory Booker will even win New Jersey's primary!)

The remaining fifteen (or sixteen) Democratic Party presidential candidates are fighting over the remaining 22.6% with "undecided" and "none of the above."

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "And the Democrats and their allies were NOT saying what Clinton did wasn't serious. They were saying it wasn't an impeachable offence."

I'd have to argue that what President Clinton did was far more serious than those trumped-up (false) charges of Russia-collusion & obstruction that the Democrats & their media allies were peddling for over two-years before Robert Mueller's report showed it to be so much bullsh*t.

"You obviously know nothing about what the left in general thinks of Gillibrand (no surprise there). We don't like her a bit."

Somebody should have explained to Kirsten Gillibrand years ago that you NEVER, EVER speak out against the Clintons! Bill & Hillary play hardball!

"I say this as someone who thinks Bill probably did mess around with Gennifer."

I'd think less of you if you continued to deny it, YDB95 - but you're nowhere near that dumb!

"You supported Clarence Thomas at the top of your lungs."

What Clarence Thomas was accused of doing and what Governor Clinton was accused of doing were not even close!

"...and because the women making the accusations were bankrolled by people who otherwise never gave a damn about women's rights."

That fully supports what Time magazine journalist Nina Burleigh said about being ""happy to give [Bill Clinton] a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal." The Hollywood-left felt the same way towards producer Harvey Weinstein while he was contributing all of those millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood!

"The economy is almost always the deciding factor in a presidential election, and in 2012 we still hadn't recovered from Bush's mess."

TRANSLATION: President Bush engineered the Democratic Party's complete congressional COLLAPSE in the 2010 midterms with his "economic mess" from 2008? Sixty-three-House & six-Senate seats lost, and it was all Bush's doing? Seriously, Bush was THAT smart?

 

[YDB95]

I'd have to argue that what President Clinton did was far more serious than those trumped-up (false) charges of Russia-collusion & obstruction that the Democrats & their media allies were peddling for over two-years before Robert Mueller's report showed it to be so much bullsh*t.

Of course you would, Dump, of course you would.
It goes without saying you didn't read the Mueller report, since you claim it said the exact opposite of what it really did say.

"You obviously know nothing about what the left in general thinks of Gillibrand (no surprise there). We don't like her a bit."

Somebody should have explained to Kirsten Gillibrand years ago that you NEVER, EVER speak out against the Clintons! Bill & Hillary play hardball!

That's got nothing to do with why we don't like her. By and large we don't like the Clintons very much either.

"You supported Clarence Thomas at the top of your lungs."

What Clarence Thomas was accused of doing and what Governor Clinton was accused of doing were not even close!

Neither was the way their accusers were treated. Not even close.

"...and because the women making the accusations were bankrolled by people who otherwise never gave a damn about women's rights."

That fully supports what Time magazine journalist Nina Burleigh said about being ""happy to give [Bill Clinton] a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal."

Again, sounds like a joke to me. But either way, that was in reference to Monica Lewinsky, who was a consenting adult.

The Hollywood-left felt the same way towards producer Harvey Weinstein while he was contributing all of those millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood!

If you're implying that the left didn't care about his abusive behaviour towards women because of his contributions, you're conveniently forgetting that it wasn't known at the time.

"The economy is almost always the deciding factor in a presidential election, and in 2012 we still hadn't recovered from Bush's mess."

TRANSLATION: President Bush engineered the Democratic Party's complete congressional COLLAPSE in the 2010 midterms with his "economic mess" from 2008? Sixty-three-House & six-Senate seats lost, and it was all Bush's doing? Seriously, Bush was THAT smart?

It wasn't that so much as it was the voters expecting a miracle worker rather than a president. It happens a lot, in case you hadn't noticed: Republicans trash the economy, Democrats get elected as a result and take steps to clean things up, but the damage can only be repaired so quickly, so the voters punish them by electing more Republicans, who once again trash the economy. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[JackLuis]

Critics denounce Biden’s use of tragic family story to attack Medicare for All as both ‘manipulative’ and ‘cynical’

“This is easily the cruelest, dirtiest, and most manipulative thing Joe Biden has done so far.”

A new ad by former Vice President Joe Biden released Tuesday uses his personal story of familial loss as an attack line against Medicare for All is being panned by critics as a cynical ploy that obfuscates the similar kind of pain that millions of people could endure under a Biden plan that would leave them un- or under-insured.

OHJ is using Trump tactics to prove he's a humanitarian? I wonder how much Insurance Co money he's collecting?

 

[magicalmoments]

Maybe he will say something about it.

Good thing he has no authority to do any of those things.

Well... He seems to think he has the authority, he is the chosen one after all and being God trumps the constitution, surely?
Even if it turns out you are right, for a change, the question is: do you really want to go all the places his dementia will take you as he tears your society apart chasing his fantasies of being a totalitarian leader like his good friends little rocket man and mr Putin.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "It goes without saying you didn't read the Mueller report, since you claim it said the exact opposite of what it really did say."

The Mueller Report - compiled by Hillary-Clinton-donors out to end the Trump presidency - revealed that there wasn't any evidence of Trump/Russia collusion, and not enough evidence to bring charges of obstruction. Ask Nancy Pelosi if you don't believe me!

"By and large we don't like the Clintons very much either."

Now that you mention it, it's difficult nowadays finding anybody who admits to voting for Mrs. Clinton in 2016.

"Neither was the way their accusers were treated. Not even close."

There were around a DOZEN women accusing Governor/President Bill Clinton of sexual harrassment (and worse), and he lost his license to practice law as a result of the investigation that followed. There was only ONE woman accusing Clarence Thomas of any impropriety, and one of the U.S. Senators who treated her shabbily is currently leading the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential field!

"...in reference to Monica Lewinsky, who was a consenting adult."

Monica, perhaps... Paula Jones, however, was a NON-CONSENTING adult!

"If you're implying that the left didn't care about his abusive behaviour towards women because of his contributions, you're conveniently forgetting that it wasn't known at the time."

Harvey Weinstein's behavior was WIDELY KNOWN at the time - it's just that everybody also knew that he had deep & powerful ties to everybody in Hollywood and in the Democratic Party's circle of power-brokers! You don't just go making wild & damaging accusations against the man who gives millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood and the Clintons without serious repercussions!

"Republicans trash the economy, Democrats get elected as a result and take steps to clean things up..."

Barack Obama's eight-years of stagnant economic growth definitely played a role in Donald Trump's beating Mrs. Clinton, as did ObamaCare and the $10-trillion that Barack's reckless spending added to our national debt! Remember when Obama asked if Trump was going to wave a magic wand to bring back all of those lost manufacturing jobs? Well apparently, HE WAS!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "It goes without saying you didn't read the Mueller report, since you claim it said the exact opposite of what it really did say."

The Mueller Report - compiled by Hillary-Clinton-donors out to end the Trump presidency - revealed that there wasn't any evidence of Trump/Russia collusion, and not enough evidence to bring charges of obstruction. Ask Nancy Pelosi if you don't believe me!

I'm quite familiar with Nancy Pelosi and her attitude about taking action on the Mueller report. That doesn't change the fact that you've got it all wrong here.

"By and large we don't like the Clintons very much either."

Now that you mention it, it's difficult nowadays finding anybody who admits to voting for Mrs. Clinton in 2016.

Among your friends? Undoubtedly.

"Neither was the way their accusers were treated. Not even close."

There were around a DOZEN women accusing Governor/President Bill Clinton of sexual harrassment (and worse), and he lost his license to practice law as a result of the investigation that followed. There was only ONE woman accusing Clarence Thomas of any impropriety, and one of the U.S. Senators who treated her shabbily is currently leading the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential field!

Actually there were at least three women accusing Thomas. And you've pinpointed why Biden's support among Democrats is incredibly soft.

"...in reference to Monica Lewinsky, who was a consenting adult."

Monica, perhaps... Paula Jones, however, was a NON-CONSENTING adult!

Yes, and Democrats did not treat her the way the Republicans - and some Democrats - treated Anita Hill. Again, not even close.

"If you're implying that the left didn't care about his abusive behaviour towards women because of his contributions, you're conveniently forgetting that it wasn't known at the time."

Harvey Weinstein's behavior was WIDELY KNOWN at the time - it's just that everybody also knew that he had deep & powerful ties to everybody in Hollywood and in the Democratic Party's circle of power-brokers! You don't just go making wild & damaging accusations against the man who gives millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood and the Clintons without serious repercussions!

And you know this because you read it on some right-wing website with no citations, no doubt.

"Republicans trash the economy, Democrats get elected as a result and take steps to clean things up..."

Barack Obama's eight-years of stagnant economic growth definitely played a role in Donald Trump's beating Mrs. Clinton, as did ObamaCare and the $10-trillion that Barack's reckless spending added to our national debt! Remember when Obama asked if Trump was going to wave a magic wand to bring back all of those lost manufacturing jobs? Well apparently, HE WAS!

You actually believe Trump brought manufacturing jobs back? Whatever.
And let's get one thing straight: the Republicans don't really care about the national debt at all. If they did, they wouldn't always push for economic policy that makes it much bigger while fighting tooth and nail against policies that reduce it. They just see it as a useful excuse to argue we can't afford Medicare for all, decent infrastructure, etc. And yet somehow we can always afford another tax cut for the richest of the rich. Funny that.

 

[JackLuis]

New York Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand has ended her 2020 campaign after failing to make the cut for the September debates. In a video, Gilliband says, "It's important to know when it's not your time," and that Democrats (and Never Trumpers, and everyone else) should focus on defeating Donald Trump in 2020.

Another one bites the dust!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "I'm quite familiar with Nancy Pelosi and her attitude about taking action on the Mueller report."

The Democratic Party's Speaker of the House HAS read the Mueller Report, and she's doing her part to BLOCK any further impeachment votes.

"Among your friends? Undoubtedly."

Yes, I'm quite certain that YOU still know people who will admit to supporting Mrs. Clinton in 2016 - only not quite as many as you ONCE knew!

"And you've pinpointed why Biden's support among Democrats is incredibly soft."

Very soft - and yet he's STILL in first-place in the RealClearPolitics.com averaging of all the national polls (see below).

"And you know this because you read it on some right-wing website with no citations, no doubt."

I don't see how it's in any ways outrageous for me to point out that Democrats & wealthy Hollywood liberals tend to like & admire those mega-donors like Harvey Weinstein who are loved & revered by the folks running Planned Parenthood!

"And let's get one thing straight: the Republicans don't really care about the national debt at all."

I disagree - while I'd agree with you that BOTH parties have been reckless when it comes to spending too much, I think the G.O.P. is MUCH MORE fiscally responsible, ESPECIALLY when you look at the cost of this New Green Deal that the Democratic Party's presidential candidates are currently peddling!

And... speaking of the Democrats, here are the latest polling numbers from https://www.realclearpolitics.com - and who currently ranks where:

28.9% - Joe Biden - (Creepy-Sleepy Joe maintains his double-digit lead in the polls!)

17.1 - Bernie Sanders - (The OTHER old white guy remains in second-place!)

16.5 - Elizabeth Warren - (Liz can't seem to pick-up any momentum!)

7.0 - Kamala Harris - (As soon as Barack & Michelle began supporting her, Kamala began to fall!)

4.6 - Pete Buttigieg - (Mayor Pete has never ranked higher than 5th-place!)

2.5 - Andrew Yang - (Yang replaces a falling "Beto" in the ranking!)

2.4 - Cory Booker - (Booker remains in 7th-place!)

What a sorry bunch of nobodies are running on behalf of the Democratic Party to challenge Trump in 2020!

 

[KeithD]

New York Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand has ended her 2020 campaign after failing to make the cut for the September debates. In a video, Gilliband says, "It's important to know when it's not your time," and that Democrats (and Never Trumpers, and everyone else) should focus on defeating Donald Trump in 2020.

Another one bites the dust!

Good. I think she should sit in the corner for a while after hounding Franken out of the Senate and then turning around and shielding sexual harassment going on within her own staff.

 

[ishtat]

Good. I think she should sit in the corner for a while after hounding Franken out of the Senate and then turning around and shielding sexual harassment going on within her own staff.

Agreed. Basically a flawed character and it was starting to show. Sorry to see that Gabbard is not there, she couldn't win, but I thought she might be the one to take on the parasite Sanders.

I have always liked Klobuchar but she has been a bit bland so far. Someone has to compete with Biden for the centre. He doesn't impress, and gives the impression that he thinks he does not need to. But early days.

So Amy, start (in the words of Francis Urquhart) 'putting a bit of stick about.'

 

[YDB95]

"Among your friends? Undoubtedly."

Yes, I'm quite certain that YOU still know people who will admit to supporting Mrs. Clinton in 2016 - only not quite as many as you ONCE knew!

If you're suggesting some of my friends who voted for Clinton have gone over to supporting Trump, that is incorrect. I can't think of a single person I know who has.

"And you've pinpointed why Biden's support among Democrats is incredibly soft."

Very soft - and yet he's STILL in first-place in the RealClearPolitics.com averaging of all the national polls (see below).

RealClearPolitics is decidedly right-leaning. Of course they're going to do their best to make the case that Biden is still miles in the lead. It's not what we're seeing among actual Democratic activists.

"And you know this because you read it on some right-wing website with no citations, no doubt."

I don't see how it's in any ways outrageous for me to point out that Democrats & wealthy Hollywood liberals tend to like & admire those mega-donors like Harvey Weinstein who are loved & revered by the folks running Planned Parenthood!

It wouldn't be, if that were what you had actually said.

"And let's get one thing straight: the Republicans don't really care about the national debt at all."

I disagree - while I'd agree with you that BOTH parties have been reckless when it comes to spending too much, I think the G.O.P. is MUCH MORE fiscally responsible, ESPECIALLY when you look at the cost of this New Green Deal that the Democratic Party's presidential candidates are currently peddling!

Then how do you explain the reality that Reagan and Dumbya gave us the biggest deficits in history while Clinton balanced the budget and Obama greatly reduced the deficit?

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "If you're suggesting some of my friends who voted for Clinton have gone over to supporting Trump, that is incorrect. I can't think of a single person I know who has."

I believe that there are a LOT of Americans out there who sincerely believed the wild & hysterical fear-mongering brought about against Donald Trump in 2016, and they voted for Hillary Clinton because they feared that Trump would begin jailing gay people and massacring illegals & Muslims if elected! These people now see the Democratic Party's & its media allies' lies for what they were, and MANY of them will happily cast their votes to re-elect Trump in 2020!

"RealClearPolitics is decidedly right-leaning."

The RealClearPolitics averaging of national polls simply takes ALL of the existing polls and averages them out. If you don't like seeing Creepy-Sleepy Joe Biden running away with your Democratic Party's 2020 presidential nomination, DON'T blame RCP! The Dems are simply a party that would greatly prefer an older white man to be its standard-bearer next year - just accept it!

"It wouldn't be, if that were what you had actually said."

Harvey Weinstein has LONG been a loyal supporter & friend of the Democratic Party, and he was one of the first of the wealthy Hollywood libs to recognize the fact that Planned Parenthood runs that party today!

"Then how do you explain the reality that Reagan and Dumbya gave us the biggest deficits in history while Clinton balanced the budget and Obama greatly reduced the deficit?"

You're trying to re-write history again, YDB95 - back in 2008, Senator Barack Obama called President Bush "unpatriotic" for allowing our national-debt to increase by $4-trillion under Bush's watch. But then, just eight-years after he made that charge, PRESIDENT Obama had increased that SAME national-debt by a whopping TEN-TRILLION-DOLLARS! How is that "reducing the deficit?"

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "If you're suggesting some of my friends who voted for Clinton have gone over to supporting Trump, that is incorrect. I can't think of a single person I know who has."

I believe that there are a LOT of Americans out there who sincerely believed the wild & hysterical fear-mongering brought about against Donald Trump in 2016, and they voted for Hillary Clinton because they feared that Trump would begin jailing gay people and massacring illegals & Muslims if elected! These people now see the Democratic Party's & its media allies' lies for what they were, and MANY of them will happily cast their votes to re-elect Trump in 2020!

Of course you believe that, Dump. Of course you do. But let me guess: you haven't actually heard anyone say such a thing, have you?

"RealClearPolitics is decidedly right-leaning."

The RealClearPolitics averaging of national polls simply takes ALL of the existing polls and averages them out.

Even if that's true (and I doubt it), that is not a scientifically sound method. Polls should be weighted differently depending on their sample size; they all use at least slightly different methodology (if nothing else, the wording of the questions can make a difference), and some polls are unreliable and shouldn't be considered at all.

If you don't like seeing Creepy-Sleepy Joe Biden running away with your Democratic Party's 2020 presidential nomination, DON'T blame RCP! The Dems are simply a party that would greatly prefer an older white man to be its standard-bearer next year - just accept it!

I might, if there were any evidence of that beyond your own wishful thinking.

"It wouldn't be, if that were what you had actually said."

Harvey Weinstein has LONG been a loyal supporter & friend of the Democratic Party, and he was one of the first of the wealthy Hollywood libs to recognize the fact that Planned Parenthood runs that party today!

First of all, you've also said it the other way around recently - that the Democratic Party runs PP. They can't both be true, Dump.
But if PP is that all-powerful...yeah, I can't even think of an analogy there. It's absurd.

"Then how do you explain the reality that Reagan and Dumbya gave us the biggest deficits in history while Clinton balanced the budget and Obama greatly reduced the deficit?"

You're trying to re-write history again, YDB95 - back in 2008, Senator Barack Obama called President Bush "unpatriotic" for allowing our national-debt to increase by $4-trillion under Bush's watch. But then, just eight-years after he made that charge, PRESIDENT Obama had increased that SAME national-debt by a whopping TEN-TRILLION-DOLLARS! How is that "reducing the deficit?"

Simple: you're talking about the debt and the deficit as if they're one and the same, and they're not. You're also ignoring the Great Recession, a condition in which deficit spending is really the best policy. But even given that, percentage-wise, the debt grew at a slower annual rate under Obama than under any of the previous three Republican presidents: https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckj...-than-reagan-h-w-bush-or-w-bush/#58255d8f1917
Note also that the deficit grew steadily smaller under Obama until the Republicans took over the Senate, at which point it rose again.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Of course you believe that, Dump. Of course you do. But let me guess: you haven't actually heard anyone say such a thing, have you?"

Back in 1980, a LOT of liberals were calling Ronald Reagan an alarming right-wing extremist who would get us into a nuclear war with the U.S.S.R. - but hardly anbody listened to the Dems, as Reagan won in a landslide. And then, four-years later, after the voters had actually experienced what Reagan was like as president, he added an additional 10,552,242 popular votes to his total from four years earlier to win an ever BIGGER landslide the second time around!

Jump ahead to 2000, and the Democrats are FURIOUS that George W. Bush has won the White House without winning a majority of the popular vote. But then the voters actually experienced what Bush was like as president, and when he then ran for re-election in 2004, Bush was able to add an additional 11,577,160 to his earlier popular vote total to easily win re-election!

And now it's Donald Trump's turn! Liberals warned us all that Trump would terrorize innocent American Muslims, lock-up people for being gay, persecute American citizens for looking hispanic, and grab women by their pussies. Of course, none of that has happened. Instead, Trump has greatly expanded our economy, protected our borders, and destroyed ISIS. When he runs for re-election in 2020, he's going to win EASILY!

"Polls should be weighted differently depending on their sample size..."

Is THAT why all of the polls were so wrong about Hillary Clinton winning in 2016? They weren't "weighted differently depending on their sample size?"

"First of all, you've also said it the other way around recently - that the Democratic Party runs PP. They can't both be true, Dump."

Democratic Party legislators vote to give taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood, and in return, Planned Parenthood contributes money to Democratic Party candidates. But yes, it's the abortion-providers (like Planned Parenthood) who play the tune, to which every Democrat must dance! As long as PP continues destroying the lives of babies in the womb (e.g. performing abortions), they'll continue to get Democratic Party financial backing in Washington!

"Simple: you're talking about the debt and the deficit as if they're one and the same, and they're not."

Yes, it's simple - Senator Obama called President Bush "unpatriotic" for allowing our national debt to increase by $4-trillion - but then, economic simpleton Barack Obama increased that same debt by a whopping TEN-TRILLION-DOLLARS as president! The Obama years were DISASTROUS for America's financial stability! And when Barack ran for re-election in 2012, a whopping 3,580,921 of his supporters didn't turn-out to vote for him the second time around!