Slavery reparations proposals could cost US more than $17 trillion

[bellisarius]

I don't understand:
If they're aiming for votes, aren't they shooting themselves in the foot?

I would assume that AfricanAmericans and their relatives/friends would vote (I would too, in their place)
But Whites, Asians and Hispanics will turn to the opposition - otherwise, it would hurt their purse.






**Not intended as meddling in matters of the US system
I'm just fascinated by the global Left turn today.**

The really ignorant among them will buy the scam and those are the ones that are psychologically crippled.

 

[oneblueye]

hey...

'Academics suggest plans could be funded through new taxes or by issuing bonds'

will NEVER happen---!
The white man can't see 'their' way through to making life better for other whites without filling up 'their' own pockets first.

And 'they' gonna pay a black man...?
a First Nations man...?
a Mexican man...?
a China man...?

The white man would rather "PUSH THE BUTTON" first.

I just wish they just hit that nuclear re-set button and start the whole thing over.

 

[cleaver]

Ain't gonna happen.

LOL!!!

As already stated, never happening.

And it shouldn't, nobody today should be punished or compensated for shit that happened to/perpetrated by their ancestors. The very notion is fucking ridiculous.

Actually it's explicitly unconstitutional. If you want to pay reparations you need to amend the constitution first.

Very few give a shit and NO ONE is going to pay for it. The only time reparations comes up is during election season and it's sole purpose is to keep those 'Darkies' voting democrat. Just another race card to be played.

In the minds of the American black only white Americans are guilty of the practice of slavery. Our public schools and universities have done a fine job on that point of indoctrination.

Puppets of the race industry...

Modern Progressivism: The past is an indictment, the present is intolerable, but we, if you just follow us, know the way into a bright, even Utopian future of total and all-encompassing equality (of station, wealth and outcome).

If you have been taught that you're a 'victim', and you internalize that notion, it relieves you of having to take any responsibility for your failures. As a matter of fact it relieves you of having to make any effort at all.

The really ignorant among them will buy the scam and those are the ones that are psychologically crippled.

do you not see that this issue has you twisted into an empirical spin cycle as well?

stomping your foot "no"
and playing the (politically) ignorant "darkies" card
doesn't adequately address any of the underlying issues that give
a resonance to a general concept of reparations.

why?

because there are indeed a set of underlying undeniable factors
that make such a ridiculous proposition (direct cash pay-off)
politically expedient to periodically roust from the ash heap.

if there were not such a tenable factual basis
to propagate some issue of possible redress
then it would not resonate so.

before we knee-jerk foolishly to what is clearly a political stink bomb,
(and truly a disingenuous political expediency)
should we at least come to some basic agreement as to the underlying
facts that continue to give oxygen to the embers?

we don't often do the hard work here.

we've found it more fun to be arsonists.

 

[badbabysitter]

What I find amusing about badbabysitter and Candi, is their (wilful) ignorance:

Muslims had a far, far more extensive and bloody history.

Africans from conquered countries, who refused to convert to Islam were either killed, or neutered and sold in captivity.

Let those nations deal with their own problems... someone doing despicable shit doesnt mean the despical shit you did is no longer shitty

 

[bellisarius]

do you not see that this issue has you twisted into an empirical spin cycle as well?

stomping your foot "no"
and playing the (politically) ignorant "darkies" card
doesn't adequately address any of the underlying issues that give
a resonance to a general concept of reparations.

why?

because there are indeed a set of underlying undeniable factors
that make such a ridiculous proposition (direct cash pay-off)
politically expedient to periodically roust from the ash heap.

if there were not such a tenable factual basis
to propagate some issue of possible redress
then it would not resonate so.

before we knee-jerk foolishly to what is clearly a political stink bomb,
(and truly a disingenuous political expediency)
should we at least come to some basic agreement as to the underlying
facts that continue to give oxygen to the embers?

we don't often do the hard work here.

we've found it more fun to be arsonists.

No. The only time it's discussed is around SOME election cycles when the race baiter's want to bring this particularly cruel hoax up once more. Pointing out to the "suckers" that they're suckers may be futile, but you can't fault me for the trying.

So keep on trying. *chuckle*

 

[Luk]

Very few give a shit and NO ONE is going to pay for it. The only time reparations comes up is during election season and it's sole purpose is to keep those 'Darkies' voting democrat. Just another race card to be played.

Ishtard's 'Darkies' blast surprises no one.

 

[beew]

Let those nations deal with their own problems... someone doing despicable shit doesnt mean the despical shit you did is no longer shitty

But it will affect not only recent immigrants, but other countries too.

 

[badbabysitter]

But it will affect recent immigrants too

So?

Seems to be mostly affecting your feelings right now

 

[beew]

So?

Seems to be mostly affecting your feelings right now

It's not.

I'm just finding the reverberations interesting, because -if let's say in theory it might happen- it would open a can of worms globally. US has always been a trend setter.

Other minorities/majority groups with a history of oppression, might start asking for similar measures.
Some will be followed through, others will just lead to a white-washing of history.

 

[badbabysitter]

It's not.

I'm just finding the reverberations interesting, because -if let's say in theory it might happen- it would open a can of worms globally. US has always been a trend setter.

Other minorities/majority groups with a history of oppression, might start asking for similar measures.
Some will be followed through, others will just lead to a white-washing of history.

Of curse, they are never going to follow through, that would be like the Rapepublican party actually coming up with the healthcare system they've wanted and done literaly nothing about in over 50 years

If those gloabl groups can show they have legal standing based on their experience of being legally discrimanted against in the United Sates; they might have a case

But there's the rub... the descendants of slaves in the US are from the US... unless they can prove they are the descendants of American slaves, they won't have a case

 

[beew]

Of curse, they are never going to follow through, that would be like the Rapepublican party actually coming up with the healthcare system they've wanted and done literaly nothing about in over 50 years

If those gloabl groups can show they have legal standing based on their experience of being legally discrimanted against in the United Sates; they might have a case

But there's the rub... the descendants of slaves in the US are from the US... unless they can prove they are the descendants of American slaves, they won't have a case

There's -in a related vein- the interesting case of expansionist Erdogan's Turkey, who is trying to whitewash Turkey's history.

There's the unresolved controversy of reparations for the Armenian genocide, on top of the Greeks genocide.
Turkish academic articles claim that Europe's occupation by the Ottoman Empire was harmonious and peaceful.
On top of Tidiane N’Diaye's observation about the deliberate silence on the trans-Sahelian and eastern slave trade

If you think it's just an American problem, you're mistaken. There's a movement that seeks to dethrone Christian and White world dominance, through one-sided focus and omission.

 

[badbabysitter]

There's -in a related vein- the interesting case of expansionist Erdogan's Turkey, who is trying to whitewash Turkey's history.

There's the unresolved controversy of reparations for the Armenian genocide, on top of the Greeks genocide.
Turkish academic articles claim that Europe's occupation by the Ottoman Empire was harmonious and peaceful.
On top of Tidiane N’Diaye's observation about the deliberate silence on the trans-Sahelian and eastern slave trade

If you think it's just an American problem, you're mistaken. There's a movement that seeks to dethrone Christian and White world dominance, through one-sided focus and omission.

Yeah, that movement is called the Crackpot White Genocide Scared Racist Movement

Erdogan is extremely socially conservative to the point of far right... people call him a lefty because of his liberal economic policy but his stances on abortion, evolution, lgbt rights, women, free speech etcetera.; speak for themselves

the internment of the Japanese during WW2 hasn't even been dealt with let alone reparations.. so I dont see how a far right crackpot in Turkey is going to affect the citizenship status and history of Americans in the US

 

[von_Bismarck]

Que thinks reparations are laughable, and so does beew. Hmm.

 

[beew]

BadBabysitter:

I'm not implying in any way that African Americans don't have legitimate grievances or don't still suffer the consequences of such a long history of racism/oppression.
That's for you guys to debate.

But one thing is to offer support for what's happening Now (discrimination, inequity),
another - reparation for what happened so many years ago.
Expanding the scope of reparation beyond genocide will have world wide implications.

 

[BotanyBoy]

do you not see that this issue has you twisted into an empirical spin cycle as well?

stomping your foot "no"
and playing the (politically) ignorant "darkies" card
doesn't adequately address any of the underlying issues that give
a resonance to a general concept of reparations.

Not twisted into any spin cycle.

"That's fucking retarded" is adequately addressing it.

because there are indeed a set of underlying undeniable factors
that make such a ridiculous proposition (direct cash pay-off)
politically expedient to periodically roust from the ash heap.

No there aren't.

Promising racial equity (being an ethno-socialist) will always appeal to the racial group you're promising free shit to, especially if you're promising to do so at the expense of their perceived oppressors.

Let those nations deal with their own problems... someone doing despicable shit doesnt mean the despical shit you did is no longer shitty

 

[BotanyBoy]

Que thinks reparations are laughable, and so does beew. Hmm.

What's your argument for them and plan for footing that bill?

 

[cleaver]

No. The only time it's discussed is around SOME election cycles when the race baiter's want to bring this particularly cruel hoax up once more. Pointing out to the "suckers" that they're suckers may be futile, but you can't fault me for the trying.

So keep on trying. *chuckle*

you deftly pirouetted around the point there.

of course, as posed, reparations as some...
quantifiable
me-get-mine-able
step in line-able
payoff
is a cruel and untenable political ploy...

oh... it rumbles in election cycles...

but why?

not just because your "darkies" want mo free...

there are a number of undeniable
long-termed
long-embedded factors
that persist since the abolition of slavery
(and a civil war that waged in great part over it)
that...
continued to subjugate
both by law and practice
primarily by race.

are these factors unaddressable
by any form of institutional redress?

reparations - in the forms by which it is cruelly, expediantly
bandied by the disingenuous
is the hoax.

it is certainly ok to call that by the hoax that it is.
it is intellectually more genuine to call out the hucksters
for what they are in perpetrating such a hoax...

still,
remaining is the underlying set of factors that
give obscured truth
to the "supposed" intent
of the political bullshit.

there is indeed a plausible case for redress
despite the political panderings
in its stead.

 

[von_Bismarck]

What's your argument for them and plan for footing that bill?

Do I need one? I haven't advocated for reparations.

 

[BotanyBoy]

still,
remaining is the underlying set of factors that
give obscured truth
to the "supposed" intent
of the political bullshit.

there is indeed a plausible case for redress
despite the political panderings
in its stead.

Yet I'm willing to bet if we went for a month and 10,000 posts nobody could get you to name any of those factors specifically or make any sort of plausible case for redress.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Do I need one? I haven't advocated for reparations.

You seem to think it interesting that others wouldn't.

So then do you think some are owed reparations?

If so who? And who exactly owes them??

 

[Luk]

Do I need one? I haven't advocated for reparations.

SpazBot2K ascribed you a position that you don't hold to fit his narrative? No way!

 

[BotanyBoy]

SpazBot2K ascribed you a position that you don't hold to fit his narrative? No way!

Oh look Luk still can't read!!!

Asking a question isn't ascription champ.

How about you, do you support reparations or are you a deplorable racist Nazi??

 

[cleaver]

Yet I'm willing to bet if we went for a month and 10,000 posts nobody could get you to name any of those factors specifically or make any sort of plausible case for redress.

i've already done so
in previously published threads.

but socialism, right?

reason is not on the table, is it?

we're good.
you got yours.

 

[Kantarii]

And that's even cheaper then then the completely ineffectual wall!!!!

Then, by all means, feel free to pay reparations. I’m not down to handing my money to the fucking Democrats for shit. Especially, when they want to give it away to fuckers that feel like they are entitled to what I’ve earned.

 

[bellisarius]

you deftly pirouetted around the point there.

of course, as posed, reparations as some...
quantifiable
me-get-mine-able
step in line-able
payoff
is a cruel and untenable political ploy...

oh... it rumbles in election cycles...

but why?

not just because your "darkies" want mo free...

there are a number of undeniable
long-termed
long-embedded factors
that persist since the abolition of slavery
(and a civil war that waged in great part over it)
that...
continued to subjugate
both by law and practice
primarily by race.

are these factors unaddressable
by any form of institutional redress?

reparations - in the forms by which it is cruelly, expediantly
bandied by the disingenuous
is the hoax.

it is certainly ok to call that by the hoax that it is.
it is intellectually more genuine to call out the hucksters
for what they are in perpetrating such a hoax...

still,
remaining is the underlying set of factors that
give obscured truth
to the "supposed" intent
of the political bullshit.

there is indeed a plausible case for redress
despite the political panderings
in its stead.

Any plausible case evaporated long ago. Who is entitled and who should pay? Deep think that one for a bit, it's not anywhere near as clear cut as anyone would think. For example, do you know how many blacks owned slaves in the South? Far more than you might think. Should their descendants receive reparations? How would you go about weeding them out? Should the descendants of those that immigrated after the Civil War pay reparations? Why? This is a can of worms NO ONE wants to open and a sure prescription for setting race relations back a century if not starting a race war.

The problem with calling out the hucksters is that the various politicos opposed to such a measure are too damn gutless to do so in the hypersensitive atmosphere that has been created around race (and in reality any subject that might smack of insulting a 'victim'). So they ignore the issue before AND after an election while the baiter's merely ignore the issue they brought up after the election.