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[Que]

I understand the frustration from the Ds. I've read the report and it's not easy. Someone needs to do a Cliff note version for easy consumption by the voting public.

Barr did that.

The Dems could do their version, except there is nothing to refute Barr's version.

The report has it's own internal summary. There is nothing there that is unknown and every single instance that Trump expressed frustration ,or contemplated, or discussed, or plotted to end what any honest assessment would show was ultimately a waste of time is well documented and has been rehashed endlessly.

In short, NO American (the subset including Trump and each and every person on his campaign is an included subset of "NO Americans) had anything to do with Russians doing what Russia, the US m, and every other country tries to do to see an outcome they prefer in election cycles.

Trump knew this, as far as any conversations or briefings that he had internally with his campaign.

Comey knew this, both as far as all of the things Trump knew, as well as more information that Trump did not know because he had not listened in on the number of calls that the FBI had.

Comey told Trump that he was not a target of the investigation. That it is not always the truth because law enforcement and prosecutors can lie to defendants in order to gain their trust but in this case there was no reason to make Trump himself the target of the investigation and nothing that they gathered suggested that they might have a reason to make Trump the target of the investigation. So when Comey told Trump he was not a target, Trump believed Comey and Comey in this instance, was not lying.

Comey refused to so state this publicly, which Trumo off so he did what the Dems had been urging and fired the sanctimonious prick. Call me self-serving sanctimonious blather since being fired is in sharp contrast to the way Mueller comports himself for example and shows that firing him was a very good call indeed.

Comey violated the law with a leak in order to trigger a special counsel to get back at Trump for firing him.

Trump knew this. This quite reasonably pissed off Trump. Trump had every legal authority to simply end all of that. That would have been politically stupid, so he didn't. If we are being honest here, he was talked out of it and or delayed and or obstructed from doing so by cooler heads.

He whined, wronged, carped, and complained about it as it dragged on for two years which was a ridiculous amount of time considering from the very outset it was well known that Trump himself had absolutely nothing to do with the Russians and they had no information whatsoever that any American did.

The end.

Any and all of Trump's actions that he contemplated did thought about or considered to end a probe that he had the authority to end is not obstruction of justice. No matter how much you want itto be, it isn't.

If you want to impeach him because you don't think he should have even thought about it he shouldn't have said those things he said and that kid isn't very presidential because of all of those things that is perfectly within the Constitutional purview of the House of Representative to initiate impeachment proceedings. Which will die in the Senate.

Go for it.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I have a copy of Congresses report on Iran/ Contra. It was written for mass consumption, the Mueller report is not.

It's a disservice to American citizens to not expose all relevant facts to sunlight.

 

[Que]

Oh; I thought maybe he was afraid of flying, I figured maybe hitch a ride with SKY PILOT in his SR-69. LMAO!!!!

You know I hadn't thought about that that might be why shitter won't get on a plane. Maybe he's terrified of heights if he's not tied off. I don't think much about fear of flying although it's pretty common because I was flying general aviation before I could walk.

Nubby, as you call him, is fine with flying. It was an international sexploitation tour that caused him to be put back on monitoring, after all.

 

[Que]

I have a copy of Congresses report on Iran/ Contra. It was written for mass consumption, the Mueller report is not.

It's a disservice to American citizens to not expose all relevant facts to sunlight.

Iran-Contra was a gotcha document. It has nice little sound bites in order to serve its purpose. They actually caught the Reagan Administration committing actual acts that reasonable people could easily be persuaded were questionable, at best.

What facts in particular do you suppose are out there that are not well-known? I don't mean that in the somewhat sarcastic way that sentence has to be constructed because I realize none of us know things that we are unaware of or facts that we don't feel we have been made privy to I get what you're saying.

But I mean in general what category of facts about what happened would change anyone's mind about what the proper course of action going forward would be?

He definitely left the door open for the Democrats to just decide hey we don't like a president throwing tantrums and contemplating a Saturday night Massacre even if he didn't actually follow through with it so we're done with him and we hereby feel that he's unfit for office and we impeach him. You can do that. Finding more instances where he did those things isn't likely because it sounds like through extensive interviews they pretty much know everything he ever said to anyone about anything. That's assuming that they didn't even go so far as bugging his office and phones.

We aren't looking for missing minutes of a Watergate tape to find out what the president knew and when he knew it.

I'm assuming that the facts that you feel are not readily available are relevant to the side about whether or not he interfered in any way with Mueller's investigation. If you still have questions about the Russians I don't know what to tell you. Trump's Behavior regarding the Mueller probe is as far as I understand that the only thing anybody has to quibble about. And that's a highly partisan issue that isn't going to be changed no matter how you parse the incidents.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Iran-Contra was a gotcha document. It has nice little sound bites in order to serve its purpose. They actually caught the Reagan Administration committing actual acts that reasonable people could easily be persuaded were questionable, at best.

What facts in particular do you suppose are out there that are not well-known? I don't mean that in the somewhat sarcastic way that sentence has to be constructed because I realize none of us know things that we are unaware of or facts that we don't feel we have been made privy to I get what you're saying.

But I mean in general what category of facts about what happened would change anyone's mind about what the proper course of action going forward would be?

He definitely left the door open for the Democrats to just decide hey we don't like a president throwing tantrums and contemplating a Saturday night Massacre even if he didn't actually follow through with it so we're done with him and we hereby feel that he's unfit for office and we impeach him. You can do that. Finding more instances where he did those things isn't likely because it sounds like through extensive interviews they pretty much know everything he ever said to anyone about anything. That's assuming that they didn't even go so far as bugging his office and phones.

We aren't looking for missing minutes of a Watergate tape to find out what the president knew and when he knew it.

I'm assuming that the facts that you feel are not readily available are relevant to the side about whether or not he interfered in any way with Mueller's investigation. If you still have questions about the Russians I don't know what to tell you. Trump's Behavior regarding the Mueller probe is as far as I understand that the only thing anybody has to quibble about. And that's a highly partisan issue that isn't going to be changed no matter how you parse the incidents.

In the case of Iran/Contra there was a televised congressional hearing. Sunlight exposed The Reagan administration for selling arms, paid for by American taxpayers, to Iran during a US led arms embargo.

I don't know if you've bothered to read Mueller's report and as sure as fuck it doesn't exonerate the Trumpster of anything.

 

[HisArpy]

In the case of Iran/Contra there was a televised congressional hearing. Sunlight exposed The Reagan administration for selling arms, paid for by American taxpayers, to Iran during a US led arms embargo.

I don't know if you've bothered to read Mueller's report and as sure as fuck it doesn't exonerate the Trumpster of anything.

First of all, the Mueller report wasn't supposed to be for public consumption. The statute says very specifically that the report is to be given to the AG and it was at the AG's sole discretion how much, if any, to release. Mueller wrote the report for Barr and no one else. People say he wrote it for Congress, but Mueller couldn't know if Barr would release it or not. And, since the statute is pretty specific that it's BARR'S sole discretion on what to disclose, I don't know if Congress could subpoena it and get it even after a court hearing.

Secondly, the Government doesn't "exonerate" anyone. They investigate and, if there's evidence of a crime, they charge and prosecute. UNLESS they do so, one can safely assume that there is no evidence sufficient to constitute a crime. Without such, the failure of the Gov to charge is an implicit exoneration.

Third, it would be nice if all you TDS sufferers would stop ignoring these details instead of regurgitating the unsupportable D narrative endlessly and repeatedly. It's not like this is new news or anything.

 

[Kantarii]

First of all, the Mueller report wasn't supposed to be for public consumption. The statute says very specifically that the report is to be given to the AG and it was at the AG's sole discretion how much, if any, to release. Mueller wrote the report for Barr and no one else. People say he wrote it for Congress, but Mueller couldn't know if Barr would release it or not. And, since the statute is pretty specific that it's BARR'S sole discretion on what to disclose, I don't know if Congress could subpoena it and get it even after a court hearing.

Secondly, the Government doesn't "exonerate" anyone. They investigate and, if there's evidence of a crime, they charge and prosecute. UNLESS they do so, one can safely assume that there is no evidence sufficient to constitute a crime. Without such, the failure of the Gov to charge is an implicit exoneration.

Third, it would be nice if all you TDS sufferers would stop ignoring these details instead of regurgitating the unsupportable D narrative endlessly and repeatedly. It's not like this is new news or anything.

Did you happen to read this article today?

https://apple.news/A8soMD4UOQcSmLEflpnuvDQ

 

[Que]

In the case of Iran/Contra there was a televised congressional hearing. Sunlight exposed The Reagan administration for selling arms, paid for by American taxpayers, to Iran during a US led arms embargo.

I don't know if you've bothered to read Mueller's report and as sure as fuck it doesn't exonerate the Trumpster of anything.

It says right in it that it doesn't exonerate. Barr repeated that, Mueller repeated that today and put a fine point on it by emphasizing that is they could have exonerated him, they would.

I'm not sure what your point is.

It isn't the job of the accused to get himself exonerated. It's his job to avoid getting indicted or in this case impeached. If Mueller thought that the Congress would have a solid case for impeachment and by solid I mean that which the public would understand and support he would have angled the report that way. He left it ambiguous on purpose.

I doubt that word was even understood by 95% of the population before it started being bandied about after weirdly appearing in the circumlocutory language of the Mueller report.

It's well-known what Trump did and did not do. And by did I mostly means thought about doing but didn't actually do. Regardless ...everything that can be known is known and if you think that that's a reason to impeach you just simply take a vote.

The Dems don't want to take that vote because they know there is no spub leak support.

So instead they have this vague plan to drag this out all the way through 20/20 both the crippled his presidency which was the entire point of this exercise and to hopefully improve their rather dim chances for 2020.

They would have a better chance in 2020 if they had had a better bench but they have no bench.

They have no bench because the Affordable Care Act cost the Democrats over 1,000 Democrat seats Nationwide. That's 1,000 politicians that haven't been in office for the last six years developing name recognition having policy achievements and learning and growing is politicians.

Thanks, Obama!

 

[LincolnDuncan]

First of all, the Mueller report wasn't supposed to be for public consumption. The statute says very specifically that the report is to be given to the AG and it was at the AG's sole discretion how much, if any, to release. Mueller wrote the report for Barr and no one else. People say he wrote it for Congress, but Mueller couldn't know if Barr would release it or not. And, since the statute is pretty specific that it's BARR'S sole discretion on what to disclose, I don't know if Congress could subpoena it and get it even after a court hearing.

Secondly, the Government doesn't "exonerate" anyone. They investigate and, if there's evidence of a crime, they charge and prosecute. UNLESS they do so, one can safely assume that there is no evidence sufficient to constitute a crime. Without such, the failure of the Gov to charge is an implicit exoneration.

Third, it would be nice if all you TDS sufferers would stop ignoring these details instead of regurgitating the unsupportable D narrative endlessly and repeatedly. It's not like this is new news or anything.

I never thought or said that the Mueller report was written for public review. That is why we need televised hearings. Both sides get to ask questions and play politics. Sunlight being an effective disinfectant of political scum, let’s get it all out....Clinton, Obama, Trump. After all evidence is considered congress can release their majority and minority report as was done in Iran/Contra. I have no fear of truth, do you?

 

[cowslinger64]

Easy.

Listen up fuck head. I make ten times what you make. I'm not wasting any of my time delivering myself to you. You can miss out on the 50 bucks you may make on any given day and end up with a free flight here. If you wanna put on your big boy panties and do what you say you will, that's the deal. You're not even worth the cost of a ticket, you're a spineless little fuck..and remember that I've seen your picture.

So for me to waste hundreds of my dollars as well as my time for something that won't last more than a few minutes is asinine.

It's hilarious and sad how you've turned this into some sort of win for you. You're even more pathetic than I thought...

So it's a stalemate..You'll continue to run your mouth, too much of a bitch to own your words..and I'll keep fucking with you when I please. Out of the two of us, I was the only one willing to put up the money to show you what you'd say...which is nothing. Just like your little life is... Nothing.

Start saving the crumpled up dollars you get for hand jobbing your fares..maybe one day you'll come up with the money and balls to head this way.

That is the deal. Period.

 

[Que]

I never thought or said that the Mueller report was written for public review. That is why we need televised hearings. Both sides get to ask questions and play politics. Sunlight being an effective disinfectant of political scum, let’s get it all out....Clinton, Obama, Trump. After all evidence is considered congress can release their majority and minority report as was done in Iran/Contra. I have no fear of truth, do you?

If we were talking about this two years ago I would agree with you. Mueller and his team of how many 17 angry Democrats including did the guy who got slapped down by the Supreme Court for prosecutorial misconduct in the Enron case did everything they could to keep a cloud over the Trump presidency for two full years. The Democrats have run the clock out it is over.

They don't get to play this game for an entire four years of Trump's presidency; it is beyond unreasonable.

At this point it's not even a matter of what's right just or Fair. That's hardly the point as people say politics ain't beanbag. At this point it's becoming politically stupid for the Democrats anyway the general public is tired of this. We've had two years of SR-71 pilot style breathless imaginings by the news media. Hardly a week went by that there wasn't some bombshell that was finally going to get Trump. Finally the Mueller report comes out and it was a nothingburger. You can have hearings for 10 more years it's still going to be exactly as I just described. No more and no less. Time to move on. I don't really care if they do or don't because polling says it's hurting them so keep it up I'm just saying it's a waste of time.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

If we were talking about this two years ago I would agree with you. Mueller and his team of how many 17 angry Democrats including did the guy who got slapped down by the Supreme Court for prosecutorial misconduct in the Enron case did everything they could to keep a cloud over the Trump presidency for two full years. The Democrats have run the clock out it is over.

They don't get to play this game for an entire four years of Trump's presidency; it is beyond unreasonable.

At this point it's not even a matter of what's right just or Fair. That's hardly the point as people say politics ain't beanbag. At this point it's becoming politically stupid for the Democrats anyway the general public is tired of this. We've had two years of SR-71 pilot style breathless imaginings by the news media. Hardly a week went by that there wasn't some bombshell that was finally going to get Trump. Finally the Mueller report comes out and it was a nothingburger. You can have hearings for 10 more years it's still going to be exactly as I just described. No more and no less. Time to move on. I don't really care if they do or don't because polling says it's hurting them so keep it up I'm just saying it's a waste of time.

Trump is is own worst enemy. He does everything imaginable to look guilty. My tax dollars paid for that investigation and the issues of Trump playing kissy face with Vlad and all of his attempts to obstruct justice have not been adjudicated.

 

[RoryN]

1. fake FISA 2. fake surveillance 3. fake Mueller report 4. fake collusion 5. fake obstruction 6. fake impeachment

^^^^ Yet another Deplorable meltdown.

 

[Que]

Listen up fuck head. I make ten times what you make. I'm not wasting any of my time delivering myself to you. You can miss out on the 50 bucks you may make on any given day and end up with a free flight here. If you wanna put on your big boy panties and do what you say you will, that's the deal. You're not even worth the cost of a ticket, you're a spineless little fuck..and remember that I've seen your picture.

So for me to waste hundreds of my dollars as well as my time for something that won't last more than a few minutes is asinine.

It's hilarious and sad how you've turned this into some sort of win for you. You're even more pathetic than I thought...

So it's a stalemate..You'll continue to run your mouth, too much of a bitch to own your words..and I'll keep fucking with you when I please. Out of the two of us, I was the only one willing to put up the money to show you what you'd say...which is nothing. Just like your little life is... Nothing.

Start saving the crumpled up dollars you get for hand jobbing your fares..maybe one day you'll come up with the money and balls to head this way.

That is the deal. Period.

You sound very angry at my "win."

 

[icanhelp1]

^^^^ Yet another Deplorable meltdown.

OH Rory; cut it out. :caning:

 

[Que]

Trump is is own worst enemy. He does everything imaginable to look guilty. My tax dollars paid for that investigation and the issues of Trump playing kissy face with Vlad and all of his attempts to obstruct justice have not been adjudicated.

I can't really disagree with the first part but you really got to drop the Russian angle. That's a dead horse.

That's approaching Rory level obtuse. Never go full Rory.

I don't think anybody's actually concerned about tax dollars anymore the Democrats never were in the Republican certainly aren't. The Republicans didn't mind spending an awful lot of money being obstructed by Hillary in various investigations including Benghazi so what's a few million dollar among friends?

Keep in mind that despite the fact that he has cartoonish anger management issues and without question has contributed to the general reasonable impression that his behavior looks guilty his actual actions to obstruct this investigation are nonexistent. The most important piece to consider if you're wanting to be fair-minded about this is that there are an awful lot of things that he definitely had the legal right to his cir Tigs accutive privilege over. He could have stonewalled on a myriad of different issues many of the people who were called in to testify absolutely could have refused on the grounds of executive privilege. The previous administration had no hesitation whatsoever when invoking executive privilege because they had the full backing of a fairly compliant press that that was reasonable and proper. Which from a legal standpoint it actually was. Trump did not have that luxury, and he knew it, or more accurately the people around him knew it and somehow managed to convince him of that. He would have looked far more guilty and would have suffered more politically had he invoked executive privilege. That's the only reason that he didn't. Had he done so this investigation would have taken less time and would have been less exhaustive and we would know less but he would have been more damage because there would have been innuendo still hanging over his head. Even though in this country we are presumed innocent until proven guilty that isn't really how are culture operates. We tend to believe that people that look like criminals are criminals.

You're kind of doing that now. Not unreasonably so but you are basically saying he sounds guilty acts guilty he's probably guilty so there might be something there even though he's had a colonoscopy and we know that there's no there there. And by we I mean myself and where you should be but aren't for whatever reason.


There's lots of reasons that someone who is not conservative would not like Trump and would prefer that he go away. That's not going to happen voluntarily you're not going to get him out of office through impeachment so the only option left is to defeat him in 2020. I'm puzzled by people who more or less like the policies that the Trump Administration is promoting but can any way shape or form not be embarrassed by him as how he presents himself. None of that though is grounds for removal we knew we had a loose cannon when we elected him as a country. Both sides of the aisle knew what they were getting.

Trump is by far His Own Worst Enemy and in a rational world he would be easily defeatable in 2020. My view of this entire thing with a benefit of hindsight is that the Dems gambled and lost. They went all in on the idea that they could harangue and embarrass him out of office and he stood pat. You cannot blame them for trying because it has always worked Republicans. It worked with Nick's and it worked with George Bush Senior it worked with George Bush jr. It worked in my state with a couple of different Republican governors. Trump refused to fold.

When the Democrats went all in... and let's be frank about how much support the Democrats got for the whole Russian collusion angle from the media..they are sort of stuck. They can't just quietly drop the whole thing at this point because Trump is going to Crow Victory. On the other hand there is no win available for them here. The plan to drag this out and grumble about it all the way through 2020 is not realistic.

I'm sure that you can understand that I'm not sad about that.

Nothing is certain. 20/20 is quite a ways away and all kinds of things could happen from some sort of major world event that goes sideways to the overheated stock market taking enough of a diye that Rory will finally be right for once.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I can't really disagree with the first part but you really got to drop the Russian angle. That's a dead horse.

That's approaching Rory level obtuse. Never go full Rory.

I don't think anybody's actually concerned about tax dollars anymore the Democrats never were in the Republican certainly aren't. The Republicans didn't mind spending an awful lot of money being obstructed by Hillary in various investigations including Benghazi so what's a few million dollar among friends?

Keep in mind that despite the fact that he has cartoonish anger management issues and without question has contributed to the general reasonable impression that his behavior looks guilty his actual actions to obstruct this investigation are nonexistent. The most important piece to consider if you're wanting to be fair-minded about this is that there are an awful lot of things that he definitely had the legal right to his cir Tigs accutive privilege over. He could have stonewalled on a myriad of different issues many of the people who were called in to testify absolutely could have refused on the grounds of executive privilege. The previous administration had no hesitation whatsoever when invoking executive privilege because they had the full backing of a fairly compliant press that that was reasonable and proper. Which from a legal standpoint it actually was. Trump did not have that luxury, and he knew it, or more accurately the people around him knew it and somehow managed to convince him of that. He would have looked far more guilty and would have suffered more politically had he invoked executive privilege. That's the only reason that he didn't. Had he done so this investigation would have taken less time and would have been less exhaustive and we would know less but he would have been more damage because there would have been innuendo still hanging over his head. Even though in this country we are presumed innocent until proven guilty that isn't really how are culture operates. We tend to believe that people that look like criminals are criminals.

You're kind of doing that now. Not unreasonably so but you are basically saying he sounds guilty acts guilty he's probably guilty so there might be something there even though he's had a colonoscopy and we know that there's no there there. And by we I mean myself and where you should be but aren't for whatever reason.


There's lots of reasons that someone who is not conservative would not like Trump and would prefer that he go away. That's not going to happen voluntarily you're not going to get him out of office through impeachment so the only option left is to defeat him in 2020. I'm puzzled by people who more or less like the policies that the Trump Administration is promoting but can any way shape or form not be embarrassed by him as how he presents himself. None of that though is grounds for removal we knew we had a loose cannon when we elected him as a country. Both sides of the aisle knew what they were getting.

Trump is by far His Own Worst Enemy and in a rational world he would be easily defeatable in 2020. My view of this entire thing with a benefit of hindsight is that the Dems gambled and lost. They went all in on the idea that they could harangue and embarrass him out of office and he stood pat. You cannot blame them for trying because it has always worked Republicans. It worked with Nick's and it worked with George Bush Senior it worked with George Bush jr. It worked in my state with a couple of different Republican governors. Trump refused to fold.

When the Democrats went all in... and let's be frank about how much support the Democrats got for the whole Russian collusion angle from the media..they are sort of stuck. They can't just quietly drop the whole thing at this point because Trump is going to Crow Victory. On the other hand there is no win available for them here. The plan to drag this out and grumble about it all the way through 2020 is not realistic.

I'm sure that you can understand that I'm not sad about that.

Nothing is certain. 20/20 is quite a ways away and all kinds of things could happen from some sort of major world event that goes sideways to the overheated stock market taking enough of a diye that Rory will finally be right for once.

You haven't read the Mueller report, have you?

 

[RobDownSouth]

You haven't read the Mueller report, have you?

"Reading" and "200+ Pists Per Day" would seem to be mutually exclusive, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Que]

You haven't read the Mueller report, have you?

No. It is not my obsession.

I've read every single excerpt that's ever been cited by anyone on the left to suggest that Trump is in trouble. Are there some passages that you personally feel that I should read that somehow says something different than what I just typed?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I can't really disagree with the first part but you really got to drop the Russian angle. That's a dead horse.

That's approaching Rory level obtuse. Never go full Rory.

I don't think anybody's actually concerned about tax dollars anymore the Democrats never were in the Republican certainly aren't. The Republicans didn't mind spending an awful lot of money being obstructed by Hillary in various investigations including Benghazi so what's a few million dollar among friends?

Keep in mind that despite the fact that he has cartoonish anger management issues and without question has contributed to the general reasonable impression that his behavior looks guilty his actual actions to obstruct this investigation are nonexistent. The most important piece to consider if you're wanting to be fair-minded about this is that there are an awful lot of things that he definitely had the legal right to his cir Tigs accutive privilege over. He could have stonewalled on a myriad of different issues many of the people who were called in to testify absolutely could have refused on the grounds of executive privilege. The previous administration had no hesitation whatsoever when invoking executive privilege because they had the full backing of a fairly compliant press that that was reasonable and proper. Which from a legal standpoint it actually was. Trump did not have that luxury, and he knew it, or more accurately the people around him knew it and somehow managed to convince him of that. He would have looked far more guilty and would have suffered more politically had he invoked executive privilege. That's the only reason that he didn't. Had he done so this investigation would have taken less time and would have been less exhaustive and we would know less but he would have been more damage because there would have been innuendo still hanging over his head. Even though in this country we are presumed innocent until proven guilty that isn't really how are culture operates. We tend to believe that people that look like criminals are criminals.

You're kind of doing that now. Not unreasonably so but you are basically saying he sounds guilty acts guilty he's probably guilty so there might be something there even though he's had a colonoscopy and we know that there's no there there. And by we I mean myself and where you should be but aren't for whatever reason.


There's lots of reasons that someone who is not conservative would not like Trump and would prefer that he go away. That's not going to happen voluntarily you're not going to get him out of office through impeachment so the only option left is to defeat him in 2020. I'm puzzled by people who more or less like the policies that the Trump Administration is promoting but can any way shape or form not be embarrassed by him as how he presents himself. None of that though is grounds for removal we knew we had a loose cannon when we elected him as a country. Both sides of the aisle knew what they were getting.

Trump is by far His Own Worst Enemy and in a rational world he would be easily defeatable in 2020. My view of this entire thing with a benefit of hindsight is that the Dems gambled and lost. They went all in on the idea that they could harangue and embarrass him out of office and he stood pat. You cannot blame them for trying because it has always worked Republicans. It worked with Nick's and it worked with George Bush Senior it worked with George Bush jr. It worked in my state with a couple of different Republican governors. Trump refused to fold.

When the Democrats went all in... and let's be frank about how much support the Democrats got for the whole Russian collusion angle from the media..they are sort of stuck. They can't just quietly drop the whole thing at this point because Trump is going to Crow Victory. On the other hand there is no win available for them here. The plan to drag this out and grumble about it all the way through 2020 is not realistic.

I'm sure that you can understand that I'm not sad about that.

Nothing is certain. 20/20 is quite a ways away and all kinds of things could happen from some sort of major world event that goes sideways to the overheated stock market taking enough of a diye that Rory will finally be right for once.

The reason that there was no quid pro quo between Trump and Russia was that Russia had already decided to attempt to unbalance the scale in favor of Trump. Trump and his band of cutthroat pirates were aware and more than willing to take help from anyone. You should read about Flynn and Kishlak and their conversations about lifting sanctions.

 

[Kantarii]

Hahaha....



https://apple.news/A2g9xHkFTSuK1cW-Y5CpXpA

 

[Que]

The reason that there was no quid pro quo between Trump and Russia was that Russia had already decided to attempt to unbalance the scale in favor of Trump. Trump and his band of cutthroat pirates were aware and more than willing to take help from anyone. You should read about Flynn and Kishlak and their conversations about lifting sanctions.

Again.

So?

If there was no quid pro quo, there was no quid pro quo. It goes beyond that there was no quid pro quo (which by the way the Democrats and their compliant media were anywhere on the range from snidely implying to outright saying that happened) ...and there wasn't even any coordination.

With not one thing to do with any potential controversy about whether the Russians were going to help Trump or not help Trump trump was already criticizing the Obama's administration stance in Ukraine. Those are policy differences. He's entitled to decide to do whatever he'd like with foreign policy he's actually the president.

Pressure from the never saw a Pinko commie they didn't like previously Democrats to suddenly Warhawk we hate the Russian Democrats has caused Trump to be much more of a hardliner versus Russia then he would have been which may or may not be good on a geopolitical standpoint but we shouldn't be making those kind of decisions based on political pressure based on absolute lies about things that didn't actually happen.

I will read up on kislyak because that's interesting but I don't think that particularly changes where the Democrats are now they've got a shity hand and they're still trying to Bluff that their hand is impeachment and it isn't it isn't even close to impeachment.

Impeachment is also their only actual move. Anything short of impeachment looks weak. Impeachment will likely cost them the election.

Trump didn't put them in that position they did that to themselves.

Some of these things that look interesting on the surface and out of context look a little less so when you look into them. For example the tower meeting which wouldn't have been a crime would look a lot more interesting if it wasn't for the fact that the fibbies had intercepted a text from Junior saying that this meeting is a waste of time get me out of here. And if you follow that rabbit hole deep enough you find that the woman setting up the meeting is looking more and more like a Christopher Steele plant. It looks like she was bait and Trump didn't take the bait. Either because it was poorly dangled it had no meat on it or they sensed that it was off. But regardless they didn't take the bait and there's lots and lots of examples just like that. Every time you see a gotcha thr bunking of the AHA makes more sense then the gotcha did initially.

. . .and then you circle back to the conclusions of the Mueller report that there was no active participation. I get what you're saying is that while they didn't need to actively participate coz Russians were going to do with the Russians were going to do and they didn't really need the help from the Trump campaign in at the Trump campaign had knowledge of that well there's no reason they can't just accept the help and move on. What was their alternative Barack Obama was the actual president United States and he didn't deem it worthy of taking any particular decisive action at against the Russians what's Trump supposed to say hey I got a bunch of Russians that support me. That's not a good campaign selling point it's not his responsibility and we don't know that he knew that.

 

[Que]

Meanwhile, apparently I have to do some math.

$69 x 8 hours is $552.

Going from Detroit to Phoenix and back tomorrow is about $950 but give it a week or two and it's more like $350, let's say.

There's a lot of variables here that really haven't been discussed. For example how much time is spent sitting around the union hall waiting for the other fat government contract versus actually working? Is he currently working on an actual job site and when is that particular gravy train over?

Is there overtime currently available? Is he actually working any of that?

How many hours a week or we actually talking? Weekends free?

I mean I realize that Joy has her little in-town vacations with "the girls" or whomever, but they are practically newlyweds, one would assume that when she married a guy with such a big fat paycheck that she would have anticipated some travel. Why not Phoenix? Make a weekend of it; weather's been unseasonably nice lately.

I had a little staycation myself the other day at the San Carlos. I highly recommend it. You plan ahead you could get the Marilyn Monroe Suite of three rooms right next to the third-story pool. Nothing like a 1928 Historic Hotel. Or you could go bit more modern we got lots of great hotels downtown I'd recommend the Palomar. I get a little bit if a gay-vowboy vibe off of CowShitter, he might like the Found RE. They've got a huge mural of Burt Reynolds from the Playgirl spread but wearing a blond wig that he might find entertaining.

The problem I'm having with his using math as an excuse is it just doesn't seem to hold up to scrutiny.. His position seems to be that he makes so much more money than me he can't afford to come here. How does that make sense? If I make so much less , then loss of income would be more dear to me than him wouldn't it?

It just seems to me that if you're making $69 an hour and you can't afford to take a couple of days off there's something dramatically wrong with your expenses. I think what we're dealing with here is a spending problem not a income loss problem. The fact that he's willing to "reimburse," round trip airfare to a stranger so that the stranger can embarrass him in person over the self same issues that get him so lathered up over the internet does not seem like a good use of his limited resources. I don't think Marie Kondo would find this to be a purchase that would bring him joy. Considering he should still be in the honeymoon phase of his marriage it doesn't sound like Joy is bringing him joy for that matter. Maybe what we need is a Dave Ramsey consult to figure out how he can afford to come to Phoenix.

I do understand the drive to keep your head down and earn. I kind of admire it. I pretend that I have to work six nights a week 12 hours a night but the reality is some nights it's only 8 to 10 hours and about once every two weeks I find that I'm ending up taking a day off. Oddly when I take that day off just because I'm exhausted I feel guilty about it and I also seem to have a bad week. On the rare occasion I just decide to take a day off and enjoy that time I find my weekly revenue is pretty much the same as if I didn't take that recreational day off because I come back refreshed eager and I work a little harder and work a little longer. Maybe that would work for him as well.

He does seem rather stressed out.

I guess I'll ponder that a bit before I suggest any of it to him because right now I don't think he's sounds very approachable about any of that.

 

[cleaver]

Let me help 1. fake FISA 2. fake surveillance 3. fake Mueller report 4. fake collusion 5. fake obstruction 6. fake impeachment

you enter a certain pantheon with this post

 

[cleaver]

Mueller's job today was simply to make enough ambiguous statements to keep hope alive for the fake news, Democrats and a morale boost for the ongoing coup d'état participants. It will fail.

you as well.

this "coup" only legally needs 285 confederates.
keep bailing, seaman.