constitutional crisis ?

[SgtSpiderMan]

I'm glad Vetteman finally came back. I was getting tired of being accused of being him.

You were only accused of that because you admitted to being Vetteman.

 

[icanhelp1]

refresh my memory please...
did not "the liar, comey" hold a press conference
some 10 days before the election?

were not the 'lost' emails - amongst other issues -
in the scrutiny of an fbi
under then democrat(ic) stewardship?

the issues, though similar, are still not equivalent.

It's not about the E-mails, it's about obstruction of justice and the double standard. Emails were subpoenaed by congress and 3 days later emails in the Clinton camp's possession were deleted.

Clinton's use of an unsecured server is in violation of [18 U.S. code 1924] Comey's assessment of [no ill intent] is a cover up and Comey taking a hit for the team. It was a subversive way to make sure those felony allegation never came up again. Lynch claiming it was a[ matter] after meeting with Big Bill on the tarmac and her half ass recusal and delegating her responsibility to Comey was the biggest cluster fuck in history. Comey's little speech before the election should never had happened for one reason, Clinton should have been under grand jury indictment for at least 3 felony allegations. Don't forget her legal counsel [team] paying for the dossier and colluding with foreign nationals on behalf of the Clinton campaign. Let's get Flynn instead, again another double standard.

The obstruction of justice by deleting emails and violation of 18 usc 1924 should have been enough to charge her with 2 felony counts and ended her run for POTUS.

Obama, Clinton, Rice, Clapper, Brennan, Ohr, Steele, Strzok, Page, McCabe
(Andrew and Nelly), Rhodes, Power, Podesta, Mifsud, Downer, just to mention a few. This is as big as it get, a massive team to ensure Clinton wins the election through the use of any means possible. This team is also to engage the Trump presidency should he win, Going on today, WHAT A SHIT SHUTE.

Let us not forget strategic leaks to the press by the FBI i.e. ( Comey to his professor buddy ) to insure a special counsel was launched based on the procurement and use of a misleading, incomplete and corrupt FISA warrant.

Let us also not forget that these FISA judges were complicite throughout this whole cluster fuck. I could of gotten a FISA warrant. Some of these judge should be disbarred and impeached for dereliction of duty

The thing that smacks at the heart of this cluster fuck is the democrats and the media parading these individuals around as fucking heroes. There's your fucking constitutional crisis. The electorate with their heads buried in the sand, brainwashed by the left mainstream media, journalism, or lack of, gone amuck since Barack Obama. Two and a half years of being spoon fed this crap only to move the goal post as the facts are proven otherwise. Now the second coming of Christ himself ( Mueller ), is now an enemy of the State and the AG is now in contempt of congress for refusing to break the law.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Even if it is Dems playing politics the institution of Congress still should be respected.
That's how the checks and balances are maintained.

What's at issue is the use of executive privilege.
What is it intended to be used for?
Does Trump's application of it in this case fall under that?
That's the debate here.

I think holding Barr in contempt of congress is arguable.
Mnuchin on the other hand is much more of a clear case of contempt of Congress for not providing the tax returns he's clearly bound by law to provide.

The belief is that the House was retaken by the will of the people to take down Trump.

Anything short, including the people's business, is ancillary, at best...

The only pressing problem facing us LIES

With the presidency.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

Trump's campaign was being surveilled in early 2016.

Yes, because they were chatting up the meddling Russians.

The NSA was doing its job, and Trump campaigners were breaking laws.

 

[Dribble]

I see a whole bunch of new alts appearing...they all go in the same place with their loser owners. Not even worth my time to see their posts.

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, because they were chatting up the meddling Russians.

The NSA was doing its job, and Trump campaigners were breaking laws.

You are wrong and disingenuous, as usual.

 

[Adre]

Yes, because they were chatting up the meddling Russians.

The NSA was doing its job, and Trump campaigners were breaking laws.

You are wrong and disingenuous, as usual.

It’s on video, schmuckly.

 

[Rightguide]

It’s on video, schmuckly.

You don't have a clue what I'm talking about, Chumley. You haven't read the documents I have, so no need for you to chime in. Just be patient for a couple of weeks or so and I'll PM you and tell you when to turn on the TV in the solarium at your retirement home.

 

[phrodeau]

You don't have a clue what I'm talking about, Chumley. You haven't read the documents I have, so no need for you to chime in. Just be patient for a couple of weeks or so and I'll PM you and tell you when to turn on the TV in the solarium at your retirement home.

Documents? Like say, the Epoch Times or the Washington Examiner?

 

[Rightguide]

Documents? Like say, the Epoch Times or the Washington Examiner?

Read this and all of the referenced links to court documents in red:

https://themarketswork.com/2018/04/...investigation-section-702-fisa-abuse-the-fbi/

Read this article by Gov. Mike Huckabee very carefully and note the comments by Joseph DiGenova, a nationally known attorney and former Special Prosecutor:

https://stream.org/breaking-news-fisa-court-says-fbi-lied-illegally-spied/

 

[Rightguide]

Little lesson in the law for those Snowflakes here so eager to push the Don Trump Jr. bullshit:

Joe diGenova: Don Jr. and the Trump Tower meeting -- What happens when fake news collides with zero intent

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/joe...ting-when-fake-news-collides-with-zero-intent

 

[cleaver]

what about some critical thought,
instead of wallpaper,
vetteguide?

what is a constitutional crisis?
is this one?

 

[Rightguide]

what is a constitutional crisis?
is this one?

I already answered that earlier. No, it's a constitutional exercise. The constitutional crisis occurred when the un-elected bureaucrats at the FBI, CIA, NSA, and DOJ, broke the law, perpetrated a fraud n the FISC, and tried to intervene in an American presidential campaign.

 

[icanhelp1]

I already answered that earlier. No, it's a constitutional exercise. The constitutional crisis occurred when the un-elected bureaucrats at the FBI, CIA, NSA, and DOJ, broke the law, perpetrated a fraud n the FISC, and tried to intervene in an American presidential campaign.

I wonder what would have happened if all this effort to throw the election was directed to H Clinton. Her losing was a perfect example of how poor a candidate she was. She wasn't interested in being president of all Americans, just the ones who could help her win. Imagine if she lobbied the basket of deplorables.

 

[Rightguide]

I wonder what would have happened if all this effort to throw the election was directed to H Clinton. Her losing was a perfect example of how poor a candidate she was. She wasn't interested in being president of all Americans, just the ones who could help her win. Imagine if she lobbied the basket of deplorables.

I can't think of a more dangerous possibility for the American people and the Constitution, on both sides of the political map, than the Clinton's re-ensconced in the White House. Half the country already understands this, the other half, as always, condemned to learning the hard way.

 

[HisArpy]

what about some critical thought,
instead of wallpaper,
vetteguide?

what is a constitutional crisis?
is this one?

I went back and re-read some of your responses to the replies you got to this question.

One thing stood out - you don't accept as fact some of the evidence which has come to light. This results in your question remaining unanswered because you won't accept the answer.

It has become, in essence, you continuing to spin the existing false narrative because you will not accept the truth. The FBI began investigating Trump based on a hoax. They went full retard and started manufacturing evidence to support the hoax, either knowing it was a hoax or by being too stupid to figure it out, to support their preferred political agenda.

It was a lie. Either the FBI was complicit in the lie (this) or they were so incompetent that they should be disbanded by Congress and EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM fired without benefits. (this too)

Yet here you are still in the batter's box after the game ended because you refuse to accept that the other team won.

 

[heathergives]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/91/4a/b5/914ab572df6c42a38becd80c0333b8da.jpg

 

[Rightguide]

The real constitutional crisis:

https://i.imgur.com/scj4xLyl.jpg

 

[cleaver]

I went back and re-read some of your responses to the replies you got to this question.

One thing stood out - you don't accept as fact some of the evidence which has come to light. This results in your question remaining unanswered because you won't accept the answer.

It has become, in essence, you continuing to spin the existing false narrative because you will not accept the truth. The FBI began investigating Trump based on a hoax. They went full retard and started manufacturing evidence to support the hoax, either knowing it was a hoax or by being too stupid to figure it out, to support their preferred political agenda.

It was a lie. Either the FBI was complicit in the lie (this) or they were so incompetent that they should be disbanded by Congress and EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM fired without benefits. (this too)

Yet here you are still in the batter's box after the game ended because you refuse to accept that the other team won.

we disagree then.

nonetheless, the branches of government are at loggerheads
over what each assumes
and which
in the parlance of donald rumsfeld are... unknown unknowns.

the prima facie connections that trump had to russia were not spun from ether. there was certainly reason for the fbi to do its work -
which you may forget - as it is part of its name - investigation.

there is good evidence and bad... that can be sussed.

but to suggest that deeper scrutiny of candidate trump...
his business connections and contacts with an adversary
were somehow based on a hoax alone is simplistic and silly.

steele was a piece, not the whole.

let the chips fall.
there will be blood enough for everyone;
political or otherwise.

 

[cleaver]

I already answered that earlier. No, it's a constitutional exercise. The constitutional crisis occurred when the un-elected bureaucrats at the FBI, CIA, NSA, and DOJ, broke the law, perpetrated a fraud n the FISC, and tried to intervene in an American presidential campaign.

this is...
simple.

i have no intention to win an argument here, vette.
but some critical thought...
something other than simple proclamation is required.

if there were excesses, it will come out.

but there is fact involved.

russians were diddling with the 2016 preelection/election process.
the nature of which was clearly subject to investigation - and if possible, mitigation.

candidate trump was involved in russia. he does not deny this.
the nature of that connection was a natural tract to be investigated.

if you need heads on pikes, there are plenty of sharpened sticks about...
and plenty of angry peasants of differing minds on the issues at hand.

the govt. is at a standstill over ego and interpretation and bad faith
and...
over angry proclamations that preclude reason.

 

[icanhelp1]

this is...
simple.

i have no intention to win an argument here, vette.
but some critical thought...
something other than simple proclamation is required.

if there were excesses, it will come out.

but there is fact involved.

russians were diddling with the 2016 preelection/election process.
the nature of which was clearly subject to investigation - and if possible, mitigation.

candidate trump was involved in russia. he does not deny this.
the nature of that connection was a natural tract to be investigated.

if you need heads on pikes, there are plenty of sharpened sticks about...
and plenty of angry peasants of differing minds on the issues at hand.

the govt. is at a standstill over ego and interpretation and bad faith
and...
over angry proclamations that preclude reason.

Some things have been litigated and some things are about to be litigated. It does no one any good to re-litigate, it is what it is! And we don't know what we don't know!

 

[cowslinger64]

http://time.com/5581311/mueller-report-trump-steele-dossier-footnotes/

Snip:



The White House has claimed that the investigation was based on the “Steele Dossier,” an intelligence report compiled by a former British spy and financed by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC), which alleged that there were ties between Trump and the Kremlin.


But in this footnote, Mueller explains the sequence and timing of events that gave rise to a credible threat to national security, warranting an investigation. First, Mueller notes earlier in the report that in July 2016, Wikileaks began disseminating emails stolen from the DNC. A few days later, the U.S. intelligence community assessed with “high confidence” that the Russian government had orchestrated the hack of these emails. Within a week of that release, a foreign government informed the FBI that George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor to the Trump campaign, told a representative of their government that Russia had offered to “assist the campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton.” Mueller states that this information “is contained in the case-opening document and related materials.” This means that it was these facts, not the Steele Dossier, which raised an open question on whether Russia had attempted or was trying to attempt to coordinate with members of the Trump campaign to influence the 2016 presidential campaign and led to the official opening of an investigation.

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It's been shown over and over to you people.. Are you just being obtuse? Or are you really that partisan and/or ignorant?


Just look at how trump has acted on this issue for 2 years. Does he really sound like someone that's guilty of nothing?

This was a gop led investigation, by gop members for chrissakes.

Even Trey Gowdy the handler of the billion Benghazi hearings that never found anything to pin on Clinton agrees with a ton more than any of you koolaid drinkers. Jeezus.

 

[SpeareChucker]

There is a crises of faith.
Not just in reference to (a) God but in our institutions.
We don't like the President so the demand is an institutional intervention.
Then we discover that this institutionally is not noble public servants comprised
but a class of the opportune and ambitious unto itself.
The press has been more willing to fill that breach but
the more they advocate, the less we trust them too.

The war on Christianity has become so pervasive
that people are losing trust in it as an institution
no matter how devout and truly god-fearing

We have created a system so pernicious that
in public we must measure, or withhold, our opinions and words
We have even so lost faith in our pubic interactions
that it exacerbates the feeling of individual isolationism and lack of inclusion

That is exactly when a mass movement can allure converts.
The fragmentation thus created leads to insecurity and frustration
as the people who need faith resort to restore cultural confidence...

Give us something to believe in!

 

[SpeareChucker]

I thought Rightguide was miles...

 

[BotanyBoy]

Just look at how trump has acted on this issue for 2 years. Does he really sound like someone that's guilty of nothing?

"Just look at him!" isn't proof of shit.

Christ on a crosstrainer you're a brilliant one aren't you Detroit??

LOL