Straight guys writing gay male stories

[Vix_Giovanni]

I’ve plugged this story before but one of the best stories I’ve read on Lit is The Human Condition by jfinn. Just stumbled on it; reason I started reading anything else on this site.

Not sure if the discussion encompasses anything but Lit writings. But if so, in yaoi (i.e., gay male Japanese manga), many of the most popular authors and illustrators are straight women. To my understanding, there’s an historic sexual-cultural difference in the Japanese market (Japanese women were often part/all of the target audience but that’s changing slowly). However, these same women-created works are the most popular in the global market.

It would be nice is more authors wrote with some understanding of anatomy. I feel extreme psychosomatic discomfort when anyone, regardless of their own gender, writes about “penetrating the womb.”

 

[KeithD]

It would be nice is more authors wrote with some understanding of anatomy. I feel extreme psychosomatic discomfort when anyone, regardless of their own gender, writes about “penetrating the womb.”

Erotica is all about evoking arousal (in the mind as much as anywhere else in the body). Exaggeration/pushing the edge serves that purpose. I think those who can't get past the clinical in a story don't fully grasp the function (and benefit) of erotica.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

Erotica is all about evoking arousal (in the mind as much as anywhere else in the body). Exaggeration/pushing the edge serves that purpose. I think those who can't get past the clinical in a story don't fully grasp the function (and benefit) of erotica.

Is this to me? I agree. Erotica’s clearly not Stedman’s Med. Dictionary. I didn’t think that was the tone of my comment. But in case it didn’t read the way it did in my head: I don’t want anyone to think I’m trying to overtake this thread, or make a blanket statement about writing.

I should have quoted the prior post and apologize for any confusion from not doing so. My response was to CoffeewithMonkey’s description of something she’d read with double plugged panties. I have a reaction to certain phrases, not in a vacuum but in a context and when they’re ineffectively used. Somethings physically don’t happen, like peeing out of the vaginal canal, and somethings don’t generally happen with comfort, like penetrating the cervix.

The magic of words and this craft is making those, or any other, improbables seem possible. I’ve read a Nora Roberts’ bestseller that described the hero’s member as “thick as a tree limb” that worked great. And on the other hand, if we all wrote with straight and dry precision, we might come off like wannabe Michel Houellebecqs. There’s no one style in this or any other genre that is more correct, successful or effective than any other.

But that being said, I do think it’s reasonable to expect of other authors what we expect of ourselves: if you’re gonna write it, make it work.

Hope that clears up any confusion in my prior post. Sorry again for any ambiguity, and I’ll stop misdirecting the thread now ^__^.

 

[Hypoxia]

When in a quandary, copy, but change names. I.e. learn at the feet (or fingers) of the pros.

 

[KeithD]

Is this to me? I agree. Erotica’s clearly not Stedman’s Med. Dictionary. I didn’t think that was the tone of my comment. But in case it didn’t read the way it did in my head: I don’t want anyone to think I’m trying to overtake this thread, or make a blanket statement about writing.

It was only halfway to you. Yours was a lead in to an element of posters who would do a repeated tap dance on anatomy and sex, using clinical tones and terms, and otherwise slaughter any sense of the erotic.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

It was only halfway to you. Yours was a lead in to an element of posters who would do a repeated tap dance on anatomy and sex, using clinical tones and terms, and otherwise slaughter any sense of the erotic.

Thanks for responding. Yes, the clinical and erotic are entirely different. They can coexist. But they do perfectly with without ever crossing paths.

 

[yukonnights]

Thanks! Gives me hope that one say I can finish it and post it here.

I was six chapters in and decided, I honestly don't know how dicks work. I mean I have some idea about them, I had 8 kids so I've had sex but I can't ever know how sex feels from a male point of view...

...I guess one day when I have more written I can seek out a male willing to read over it to let me know hey dicks don't work like that or that's not what it feels when you have a dick in your ass the first time.

But thanks everyone for taking the time to comment to me, I really appreciate it.

How dicks work; I think for a female it is helpful to realize that the male penis started in life inside the womb the same as a female clitoris. During the course of pregnancy, the fetus is "washed" / exposed to various hormones that ultimately determine the gender of the fetus. Thus, if a female can imagine a very large clit it might provide a relatively good guide to an erect and aroused penis. Most females understand the inner workings of their own bits and parts...perhaps imagine a very large clit sliding into a very warm slippery tunnel that is an intimate part of the person you wish to become one with.

Somewhat more than the thread topic, but an excellent article for those who have questions about gender identity, here's a Medscape article on gender development -> https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/917990-overview#aw2aab6b3

 

[Madelyne13]

I have read this thread with interest and tend to think we keep over complicating. Any writer can write about any orientation or body. The realism is about the skill of the writer. Yes there are body parts I don't have but I can research how others with the body parts write about them. I find we are not usually very open minded about how to classify a story or a persons sexuality. For instance when is a man straight or gay. If I write about a straight man who has a gay encounter (even if he has much more straight than gay sex), some readers want it classified as a gay story and would see him as a gay man. They want it segregated. However the same people are prepared to accept a woman who explores her sexuality with episodes of lesbian sex as straight. The more we can acknowledge and incorporate sexuality other than our own, the more we can show tolerance, patience and understanding. Please write about anything you want to as I suspect their are people whose sexuality is not as clearly defined as people believe.

 

[SimonDoom]

I have read this thread with interest and tend to think we keep over complicating. Any writer can write about any orientation or body. The realism is about the skill of the writer. Yes there are body parts I don't have but I can research how others with the body parts write about them. I find we are not usually very open minded about how to classify a story or a persons sexuality. For instance when is a man straight or gay. If I write about a straight man who has a gay encounter (even if he has much more straight than gay sex), some readers want it classified as a gay story and would see him as a gay man. They want it segregated. However the same people are prepared to accept a woman who explores her sexuality with episodes of lesbian sex as straight. The more we can acknowledge and incorporate sexuality other than our own, the more we can show tolerance, patience and understanding. Please write about anything you want to as I suspect their are people whose sexuality is not as clearly defined as people believe.

I agree. The point of my original post was to get others' perspectives and also to ask of authors of gay stories if there are any concerns or issues that arise in those stories that are different from those of hetero stories.

 

[KeithD]

I agree. The point of my original post was to get others' perspectives and also to ask of authors of gay stories if there are any concerns or issues that arise in those stories that are different from those of hetero stories.

Yes. It's much harder to keep a he/he clear in describing one-on-one action than it is to keep a she/he clear.

 

[CuteSlaveLisa]

If people can't clearly see the category - Gay Male - they need to apply eyes first and furious rage not at all. But it was fine for two years, a good rating, but more recently copped the back end of troll attacks on Jason's whole story file - he's been subjected to orchestrated attacks, unfortunately. Jerks exist.

Deer Lectric Blu, I rilly njoyd yar sterry bout da too gay dudes, but I had ta giv it jus the won star cuze ewe shuuda made Jasun a lezbein multi cullerd unicorn havin ensetu-us sex wif her haf sister da Japneze tenekel monster. And yo shudda put lotsa witchz tuning werewulves enta lezbein zambeez suckin da cocks a gud ole boyz. I lake that in a sterry.

Sine-d ize gotta vote ann ize gonna usze it. Wun starr.

PS kin yew sin me a nudie pictur of yu?

Lisa Ann

 

[SimonDoom]

Yes. It's much harder to keep a he/he clear in describing one-on-one action than it is to keep a she/he clear.

It's a funny point but I suspect it's also nontrivial from the narrator's perspective, unless the story is told from the first-person point of view, which might make more sense for a story like this.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Deer Lectric Blu, I rilly njoyd yar sterry bout da too gay dudes, but I had ta giv it jus the won star cuze ewe shuuda made Jasun a lezbein multi cullerd unicorn havin ensetu-us sex wif her haf sister da Japneze tenekel monster. And yo shudda put lotsa witchz tuning werewulves enta lezbein zambeez suckin da cocks a gud ole boyz. I lake that in a sterry.

Sine-d ize gotta vote ann ize gonna usze it. Wun starr.

PS kin yew sin me a nudie pictur of yu?

Lisa Ann

You giving me a writer's challenge there, Lisa Ann? As if I don't got enuff of my own .

 

[yukonnights]

It's a funny point but I suspect it's also nontrivial from the narrator's perspective, unless the story is told from the first-person point of view, which might make more sense for a story like this.

But don't overlook the power of third omniscient to explore all of those new and crazy thoughts the guys will be having. This may be your secret weapon to make up for the lack of first hand knowledge on the physical side of things. In my view, the physical description/telling is far less interesting than the emotions/thoughts.

For the he/he conundrum just use Bobby/Johnny...in other words, just use their names more.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It's a funny point but I suspect it's also nontrivial from the narrator's perspective, unless the story is told from the first-person point of view, which might make more sense for a story like this.

It's a valid point. I've just navigated a MFF story cycle in third-person. You have to get the right balance of he and his (in my case he and she and her) with their names, to keep the geography clear. If you're not careful, one of your characters is going to end up with his own cock up his ass (thus satisfying requirements for exaggeration and anatomical accuracy/flexibility, cited earlier on) .

Carry on, I can see you're getting the hang of this!

 

[SimonDoom]

But don't overlook the power of third omniscient to explore all of those new and crazy thoughts the guys will be having. This may be your secret weapon to make up for the lack of first hand knowledge on the physical side of things. In my view, the physical description/telling is far less interesting than the emotions/thoughts.

For the he/he conundrum just use Bobby/Johnny...in other words, just use their names more.

Yes, but if I were to write this story -- and I hope to before long -- I would tell it from the perspective of a "heretofore straight" man who is seduced by a gay man, exploring a side of himself he didn't know he had. It would be less important to be able to narrate the thoughts of the seducer. So first person point of view would be sufficient, since I'd likely only tell the story from one perspective regardless of whether it was first person or third person limited.

 

[SimonDoom]

one of your characters is going to end up with his own cock up his ass

Which raises the interesting point that there is no "self love" category at Literotica. A significant omission, since this, I suspect, is a significant form of erotic behavior in which Literotica readers regularly indulge.

 

[SimonDoom]

Doesn't Toys and Masturbation cover this?

Does a prehensile, absurdly long cock count as a toy? Is fucking yourself with it masturbation?

This may call for a PM to Laurel for clarification.

Shit, I think I've hijacked my own thread.

 

[yukonnights]

Yes, but if I were to write this story -- and I hope to before long -- I would tell it from the perspective of a "heretofore straight" man who is seduced by a gay man, exploring a side of himself he didn't know he had. It would be less important to be able to narrate the thoughts of the seducer. So first person point of view would be sufficient, since I'd likely only tell the story from one perspective regardless of whether it was first person or third person limited.

Yes. I either missed that or forgot it. But in this case, I agree first person would be great.

I'm just gonna plug again for the Deep POV I'm now learning more about; the goal of this style is to write in a way that the reader is virtually inside the point-of-view character...the goal is for all showing with little or no telling. This is totally new territory for me, and has been quite interesting....okay, back to the regularly scheduled program

 

[SimonDoom]

Yes. I either missed that or forgot it. But in this case, I agree first person would be great.

I'm just gonna plug again for the Deep POV I'm now learning more about; the goal of this style is to write in a way that the reader is virtually inside the point-of-view character...the goal is for all showing with little or no telling. This is totally new territory for me, and has been quite interesting....okay, back to the regularly scheduled program

I remember you plugging that, and I went online to research it and found out there's much more to it than I realized. I'm going to look into it but I suspect I'll want to work on perfecting, or at least improving, my existing technique before I try something completely different.

 

[yukonnights]

Does a prehensile, absurdly long cock count as a toy? Is fucking yourself with it masturbation?

This may call for a PM to Laurel for clarification.

Shit, I think I've hijacked my own thread.

There should be an award for this !

 

[ElectricBlue]

The OP's question intrigued me as to how I approached my GM content, versus my straight content.

Using word-bubbles to visualise the word content in a story, I used my Floating World stories, as they all have a similar overall theme (slow seduction and intimacy).

Floating World Part 2 (two men, one woman): https://worditout.com/word-cloud/3574508

GM scene from Floating World 2, just by itself: https://worditout.com/word-cloud/3682710

Floating World Part 4 (two men) https://worditout.com/word-cloud/3682729

You can clearly see the consistency across the Floating World stories, which are gentle, meandering, slow seduction pieces, full of mood and intimacy.

The contrast with David and Annie, which was based on role-play, is graphic and obvious:

David and Annie (two men, one woman): https://worditout.com/word-cloud/3682733/private/b4e0eeefd96749b5f3129b9306b9c9ce

My conclusion: it's all down to how you write the words, how you are telling the story. Duh. In my case, if there's intimacy, gender makes no difference. If it's just sex, the gender makes all the difference.

 

[Willy_Wanker]

I enjoy writing and reading about male companionship, I don’t really care about labels