Climate continues to change.

[Que]

Carbon footprints don't affect the climate. It's where the carbon comes from that's the problem. Coal, oil and natural gas are pulled from the ground and burned, with the carbon going into the air. It's the added carbon in the air that is causing solar heat to be trapped in the lower atmosphere.

Carbon dioxide is the stuff dry ice is made from. If you've ever seen dry ice, it usually makes a fog that sinks to the floor. Carbon dioxide is heavier than regular air, so it sticks close to the ground. It does not rise up and disappear into space. Every year, the amount of carbon dioxide in the air we live in increases.

A carbon footprint is the amount of carbon that something is responsible for. If that carbon comes from surface sources like crops, firewood or animal products, the carbon dioxide produced is balanced by the natural processes that absorb carbon dioxide from the air. Any recent creation of fossil fuels cannot keep up with the rate that humans are burning them, so a carbon footprint that includes fossil fuels will only put more carbon dioxide in our air.

You are such an idiot. The atmosphere doesn't care where the carbon comes from. If you maintain that carbon-dioxide is a problem it's a problem no matter where it comes from, idiot.

It is absolutely impossible theme amount of carbon indicated by your carbon footprint all came from so-called sustainable sources where all of that carbon was reabsorbed. I don't care if Al Gore runs his jet plane on corn oil it's still putting carbon into the atmosphere. Even if for the sake of discussion every molecule that he emits gets absorbed by crops that just means that those same crops are not absorbing some of the carbon dioxide that was emitted by fossil fuel. It is a zero sum game. That is, unless you want to finally can see the more carbon dioxide means more Greenery which means more carbon dioxide absorption.

Either carbon dioxide emissions are important or they are not. You don't get to pick which molecules are good carbon dioxide molecules and what you're bad they're all exactly the same.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Are you posting from your phone?

I am. It's one of those creature comforts that I won't give up, nor will anyone anywhere. Just like my comfy house and my comfy car.

Possibly excepting people that live where there is no cell service.

 

[coati]

We're only allowed to discuss HUMAN caused global warming. Natural processes are off limits.

Humans can only control what humans have the ability and technology to control, but that statement does not let them off the hook for addressing known threats that are within their control. Your cop-out about "I'm only going to be around for another 3 decades" will not go over well with future generations.

And who knows, maybe at some point in the future humans will be able to avoid the cooling and photosynthesis-suppressing effects of massive volcano eruptions by relieving pressure within a volcanic system in a more gradual way.

 

[phrodeau]

You are such an idiot. The atmosphere doesn't care where the carbon comes from. If you maintain that carbon-dioxide is a problem it's a problem no matter where it comes from, idiot.

It is absolutely impossible theme amount of carbon indicated by your carbon footprint all came from so-called sustainable sources where all of that carbon was reabsorbed. I don't care if Al Gore runs his jet plane on corn oil it's still putting carbon into the atmosphere. Even if for the sake of discussion every molecule that he emits gets absorbed by crops that just means that those same crops are not absorbing some of the carbon dioxide that was emitted by fossil fuel. It is a zero sum game. That is, unless you want to finally can see the more carbon dioxide means more Greenery which means more carbon dioxide absorption.

Either carbon dioxide emissions are important or they are not. You don't get to pick which molecules are good carbon dioxide molecules and what you're bad they're all exactly the same.

Sure you don't want to edit that again?

If everything ran on corn oil or other sustainable sources, there wouldn't be any fossil fuel CO2 to be absorbed ahead of other CO2. It's the fossil fuel emissions that are the main problem.

 

[phrodeau]

New Mexico will mandate that all state utilities cease using fossil fuels by 2045.
California has mandated that all state utilities cease using fossil fuels by 2045.
Hawaii has mandated that all state utilities cease using fossil fuels by 2045.

Three down, forty-seven to go.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Humans can only control what humans have the ability and technology to control, but that statement does not let them off the hook for addressing known threats that are within their control. Your cop-out about "I'm only going to be around for another 3 decades" will not go over well with future generations.

And who knows, maybe at some point in the future humans will be able to avoid the cooling and photosynthesis-suppressing effects of massive volcano eruptions by relieving pressure within a volcanic system in a more gradual way.

You don't even have the power or authority to prevent your next door neighbor from heating with coal. How do you expect to prevent China, India and Russia from polluting?

As for pouring pepto bismol down a volcanos throat, THAT is the kind of tampering with nature that will eventually destroy us.

And you're pissed off because nobody will give up AC in the summer? Holy cow!

 

[Kantarii]

Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samlemonick/2017/09/29/scientists-underestimated-how-bad-cow-farts-are/

Kant

 

[coati]

You don't even have the power or authority to prevent your next door neighbor from heating with coal. How do you expect to prevent China, India and Russia from polluting?

As for pouring pepto bismol down a volcanos throat, THAT is the kind of tampering with nature that will eventually destroy us.

And you're pissed off because nobody will give up AC in the summer? Holy cow!

Take it easy. You are off the hook, because nobody expects a Deplorable to even try to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It's not in their DNA to give two shits about problems that don't affect them directly and during their brief lifetimes. That's just another reason why they are called deplorable.

Cite where I said I don't want people to have AC. I want to power those ACs with primarily renewable energy, and I want to provide incentives for people to insulate their homes and buildings.

Go back to your self-absorption.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Take it easy. You are off the hook, because nobody expects a Deplorable to even try to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It's not in their DNA to give two shits about problems that don't affect them directly and during their brief lifetimes. That's just another reason why they are called deplorable.

Cite where I said I don't want people to have AC. I want to power those ACs with primarily renewable energy, and I want to provide incentives for people to insulate their homes and buildings.

Go back to your self-absorption.

Us Deplorables are quite self sufficient, thanks. We enjoy AC but don't require it. When I said "nobody" I mainly meant the liberals. You'd be lost without your down vests and designer shoes.

MOST of the Deplorables (that's a capital D, thanks much) that I know locally source their food (often from the back yard), heat with wood and in one case doesn't even have electricity in his house.

Not sure where you got the idea that I don't care about the environment. Quite the opposite. What I said was, nobody (including YOU) is giving up a damned thing and even if they did, you can't change the ways of other countries.

So why do you pretend that you can change anything?

 

[von_Bismarck]

Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samlemonick/2017/09/29/scientists-underestimated-how-bad-cow-farts-are/

Kant

This is one of several reasons to advocate for lab grown meat as an alternative to agriculture. Lab grown meat has the potential of being far less resource intensive and, depending on the source of energy, resulting in the emission of far less CO2.

 

[Dribble]

Amazing thing about radioisotopes...they are in everything. And they dont lie. Isotope ratios are as unique as DNA. Think on that naysayers.

Has anyone mentioned volcanos? Large scale volcanic eruptions can change the climate for years by lowering the amount of light hitting the earth’s surface. Or are we only talking about the greenhouse effect? Kant

Obviously, it went over your head. Not surprising when a person really doesnt want to know the facts. The radioisotope signature of magma, is very different from cattle...and very different from something like...fossil fuels. Wanna guess which isotope signature we see? Again...these isotope ratio signatures are as unique as DNA. Knowledge is power.

 

[gunthernehmen]

This is one of several reasons to advocate for lab grown meat as an alternative to agriculture. Lab grown meat has the potential of being far less resource intensive and, depending on the source of energy, resulting in the emission of far less CO2.

Isn't that basically the plot to Soylent Green?

 

[Que]

Sure you don't want to edit that again?

If everything ran on corn oil or other sustainable sources, there wouldn't be any fossil fuel CO2 to be absorbed ahead of other CO2. It's the fossil fuel emissions that are the main problem.

Everything cannot run on corn oil or other "sustainable" sources because arithmetic is an actual thing.

The Earth currently on its own sequesters a given amount of CO2. If, in your fantasy world, the amount of energy expended FROM BURNING ANYTHING created an amount of CO2 that was within the capacity of the earth to use it, IT WOULD NOT MATTER where you got the fuel from. Fossil fuels would be perfectly fine.

On the other hand, let's do it your way and pretend that it doesn't take fossil fuels to create biofuels and that there's enough land on the planet to grow enough corn to fuel everything with naturally occurring, renewable resources. Again, if you actually had that much of the earth planted with green stuff that would be enough green stuff to absorb all the CO2 that we produce with fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels are not the problem if such a problem exists. The problem is the amount of energy required for the population on the planet.

 

[Que]

New Mexico will mandate that all state utilities cease using fossil fuels by 2045.
California has mandated that all state utilities cease using fossil fuels by 2045.
Hawaii has mandated that all state utilities cease using fossil fuels by 2045.

Three down, forty-seven to go.

By that point we won't be the United States of America, but each of those nation-states can certainly do what they want and they still won't make any difference, given that will just make it all that much cheaper for China and India to use fossil fuels.

By the way, who is going to fund and build all that capacity in California? Their power company is about to go bankrupt.

 

[Kantarii]

Obviously, it went over your head. Not surprising when a person really doesnt want to know the facts. The radioisotope signature of magma, is very different from cattle...and very different from something like...fossil fuels. Wanna guess which isotope signature we see? Again...these isotope ratio signatures are as unique as DNA. Knowledge is power.

Okay, to clarify what you think you see in my comments because you are seeing what you want to see. I brought up two separate issues that can affect climate change: volcanos and cows. I did not say they were the same or different. If I looked hard enough, I could probably list other things that contribute to climate change that aren’t related to fossil fuels, like nuclear fallout.

 

[Dribble]

Okay, to clarify what you think you see in my comments because you are seeing what you want to see. I brought up two separate issues that can affect climate change: volcanos and cows. I did not say they were the same or different. If I looked hard enough, I could probably list other things that contribute to climate change that aren’t related to fossil fuels, like nuclear fallout.

They can....but they aren't. How do we know they aren't? Because the ratios of the radioisotopes are as unique as DNA. See, if all you did was look at one isotope, then you would be correct...you cant tell where the increase is coming from. But we aren't looking at just one. So what matters, are the ratios of these. So, if you are asking, what is causing the increase in carbon dioxide...we know. We know because burning hydrocarbons release other radioisotope beyond just carbon. So the ratios of those to carbon differs from something like magma...or cows. Hope that helps

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

Again, if you actually had that much of the earth planted with green stuff that would be enough green stuff to absorb all the CO2 that we produce with fossil fuels.

Did you do the math on that all by yourself? Maybe next you can figure out how many millions of years it would take for that green stuff to sequester all that CO2.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Great.

We've got one yammerhead trying to feed us human flesh. Another genius wants to cork all the volcanoes. And now YOU want to figure out what flavor of nuclear winter we're having.

Wait a sec. I thought the earth was WARMING?

 

[phrodeau]

Great.

We've got one yammerhead trying to feed us human flesh. Another genius wants to cork all the volcanoes. And now YOU want to figure out what flavor of nuclear winter we're having.

Wait a sec. I thought the earth was WARMING?

You seem confused and not able to follow the conversation here.

No surprise, really.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Isn't that basically the plot to Soylent Green?

No.

Great.

We've got one yammerhead trying to feed us human flesh.

No.

 

[gunthernehmen]

You seem confused and not able to follow the conversation here.

No surprise, really.

I appear amused at the Three Stooges style antics, perhaps.

 

[Kantarii]

Great.

We've got one yammerhead trying to feed us human flesh. Another genius wants to cork all the volcanoes. And now YOU want to figure out what flavor of nuclear winter we're having.

Wait a sec. I thought the earth was WARMING?

Please, don’t confuse me with wanting to cork all the volcanos and cattle, and figure out flavors of nuclear winter. I was merely saying other things can cause climate change. I personally don’t buy into global warming nor do I care about it.

Now, that doesn’t mean I don’t recycle or drive a hybrid car. I’m just not going out of my way to be a tree hugging, pot smoking hippie preaching that the end of the world is coming because of a change in the weather.

 

[gunthernehmen]

No.



No.

You see no hypocrisy in bitching about human caused global warming while promoting laboratory mystery "meat" and corking volcanoes so they don't emit too much carbon?

Are you really, really certain on that?

On that note, I'm going to take a crap and go to bed, gents. After I turn up the thermostat.

 

[Badd Leroy]

Here it is...

There are many factors in the weather patterns we’re seeing. But the globalist ‘climate change/warming/freezing/ we-don’t-know-wtf we’re talking about bullshit you’re being fed is just that... BULLSHIT !
I won’t waste my time trying to enlighten those leftist, socialist fucking idiots because they’re too deep in the shit to dig themselves out.. but for those of you still struggling to keep sanity a priority... If you haven’t drank the coolaid.. Do some real research!
Look into Chem trails (that they denied existed. Until they couldn’t deny it anymore) now they call it a defence again get climate change.
Look into gmos..look into HAARP.. look into the truth about vaccines!!
Look into fluoridation. It’s all connected and it’s all about dumbing us down and keeping us sick.
Scarey.. unthinkable, but far too real. I’m sorry.

 

[Que]

Did you do the math on that all by yourself? Maybe next you can figure out how many millions of years it would take for that green stuff to sequester all that CO2.

Other than sticking your head in the sand and assuming that all of your carbon from non-fossil fuel sources is somehow not a problem what are you doing to reduce your carbon footprint?