Socialist Revolution Through Illegal Immigration

[bigsly]

Nice background piece on the communist effort mainly responsible for the Democrat Party switch to backing illegal immigration, and aiding and abetting illegal immigrants themselves, a federal offense.

“Before immigration debates took place in Washington, I spoke with Eliseo Medina and SEIU members,” said former President Barack Obama addressing the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) at a campaign stop for his 2008 presidential campaign.

Eliseo Medina, Obama’s informal immigration adviser, has dedicated his life to obtaining citizenship and voting rights for America’s illegal aliens—now at an estimated 22 million—with the expressed goal of transforming the United States into a one-party state.

As a Communist Party USA (CPUSA) supporter and former honorary chair of the United States’ largest Marxist organization, the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), Medina is undeniably the leader of today’s amnesty movement.

On May 17, 2016, Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign announced that long-time DSA activist Dolores Huerta and Medina would join the team as senior advisers in California.

“Huerta and Medina will build on the campaign’s robust outreach to the Latino community in California and work with the campaign’s senior team to organize and engage Californians in conversations about Hillary Clinton’s plans to break down barriers and help move the country forward.

“’We are thrilled to be joined by two incredibly accomplished and admired leaders in the Latino, immigrant and labor communities, Dolores Huerta and Eliseo Medina,’ said Buffy Wicks, State Director for Hillary for California. ‘Their advocacy and leadership … will go a long way in continuing the important work of reaching every California voter in advance of the June 7 primary.’”

Clinton promised to introduce a “pathway to full and equal citizenship” to legalize and grant voting rights to every illegal alien in the country “within a hundred days of taking office” if she were to be elected president.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/eliseo-medina-revolution-through-illegal-immigration_2748588.html

 

[Kirkrapine]

Actually, the DSA is not a Marxist organization, though I'm sure there are many Marxist members.

 

[CandiCame]

Also I don't think it'll work. The Hispanic community is often overrepresented in political ideologies completely counter to communism. They tend to be, for example, more religious than the general population. They tend to place higher values on binary gender systems and gender roles is another one. I think... it's gonna be a hard sell, comrades.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Actually, the DSA is not a Marxist organization, though I'm sure there are many Marxist members.

No...but it's fucking close and checks 99 out of 100 boxes.

The only difference being revolution via democracy vs. war.

Also I don't think it'll work. The Hispanic community is often overrepresented in political ideologies completely counter to communism.

Like so many Asians that's usually because they are fleeing mass murdering socialist shit holes.

 

[DMBFFF]

Please don't confuse Latino and/or immigrant—legal or illegal—wariness of notable elements of the GOP (such as the Trumpsters) as an endorsement for socialism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Please don't confuse Latino and/or immigrant—legal or illegal—wariness of notable elements of the GOP (such as the Trumpsters) as an endorsement for socialism.

Wariness of the GOP isn't the endorsement of socialism....support for the DNC is.

 

[Kirkrapine]

No...but it's fucking close and checks 99 out of 100 boxes.

The only difference being revolution via democracy vs. war.

The difference being the end goal. Most DSA members do not want public ownership of the means of production.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The difference being the end goal. Most DSA members do not want public ownership of the means of production.

You're fucking high.

They want MAX government control over the means of production.....100 BILLION pages of regulations controlling every aspect of every operation out there and monstrous bureaucracies to control/enforce them. Then take all their profits in taxation for equitable distribution for the privilege of all that control.

That's public ownership of the means of production.

Taking the "Department of _____" signs off the front door doesn't change that.

 

[Kirkrapine]

You're fucking high.

They want MAX government control over the means of production.....100 BILLION pages of regulations controlling every aspect of every operation out there and monstrous bureaucracies to control/enforce them. Then take all their profits in taxation for equitable distribution for the privilege of all that control.

That's public ownership of the means of production.

No, it isn't. Ownership is ownership. The DSA does not want anything like what they have in NK or Cuba. They want what they have in Europe, and the difference is very real.

 

[Hal9000_]

Because all those red state farmers and factory owners who hire them are actually communists?

 

[DMBFFF]

Wariness of the GOP isn't the endorsement of socialism....support for the DNC is.

strategic voting

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, it isn't. Ownership is ownership. The DSA does not want anything like what they have in NK or Cuba. They want what they have in Europe, and the difference is very real.

Yes it is.

No it's not....there is legal ownership (paperwork) and effective ownership (practice).

You having the title doesn't mean shit if the government is operating it....

Because all those red state farmers and factory owners who hire them are actually communists?

What loony toonz are you talking about?

We aren't talking about farmers and factory owners, we're talking about the DSA, Democratic Socialist of America.

Not many farmers or factory owners are trying to vote away their livelihood over to the government so it can redistribute their property more fairly and starve equally with the poorest of Americans.

That's why they are RED states, that's why (D)'z and their socialist bullshit are having a harder and harder time outside the uber metro areas.

 

[Hal9000_]

Who really "aids and abets" illegal immigrants?

In the form of jobs.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Who really "aids and abets" illegal immigrants?

In the form of jobs.

California democrats mostly.

 

[jp55665566]

Farms across the South, from Florida to California use a lot of migrant day-workers, cash pay. I don't know the numbers, but it's a common practice. These are off-the-books workers. It's a good arrangement for everyone, except Uncle Sam. Across the North, from NY to Washington state, the unregulated trades use a lot of migrant labor, cash work. Roofing is a trade that commonly uses these workers.

Some are illegals through administrative screw-ups, failure to appear, etc; not bad people. Some are criminals. For sure Uncle Sam and his drug-dealing cartels want the borders kept relatively unsecured.

IMO the strategy of populating areas with left-leaning immigrants is real.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Yes it is.

No it's not....there is legal ownership (paperwork) and effective ownership (practice).

You having the title doesn't mean shit if the government is operating it....

The difference between Cuban communism and European social democracy is both real and important.

 

[Kirkrapine]

For sure Uncle Sam and his drug-dealing cartels want the borders kept relatively unsecured.

What makes you think Uncle Sam and the cartels are on the same side?

 

[DMBFFF]

What makes you think Uncle Sam and the cartels are on the same side?

I suppose most elements of the US government (and other governments) are oppose to the cartels or at least activities similar to theirs, while a few are for it.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I suppose most elements of the US government (and other governments) are oppose to the cartels or at least activities similar to theirs, while a few are for it.

That few would be the CIA and not much else.

 

[DMBFFF]

That few would be the CIA and not much else.

and maybe elements of the IRS. I understand the Canadian equivalent, Revenue Canada, largely stopped caring if a Canadian (or person in Canada) reported one getting one's income from things such as prostitution or (soft) drug dealing—even before legalization—let the RCMP earn their pay by police work, the taxman wants to be able report to his/her superior that he/she squeezed more juice from the base—the cops would only jeopardize such progress.

While the CIA might piss on the FBI's leg, both might be pissing on the legs of the DEA, INS, and ATF, and the federales might on the local cops.

 

[bigsly]

After flip-flopping on the same issue already in her first month in office (voting to fund ICE a couple of weeks ago and then yesterday being the only House Democrat to vote against a Democrat bill to reopen the government because, she said, it included funding ICE), AOC now finds her disingenuous (like all socialists) political strategy being called out by her actual political Party.

AOC says Trump's backing of Juan Guaidó, President of Venezuela's National Assembly, as the legitimate leader of that country is "un-democratic" and "concerning" (obviously, no one's informed her yet that Guaidó is a fellow social-democratic as a member of Venezuela's Popular Will Party). But trying to remain in a doable flip-flop position on this issue doesn't look like it's going to be possible, not when her principal political party - the Democratic Socialists of America - retweets one of their chapters straight-up calling her out on it already.

North Jersey DSA condemns the US government's recognition of Venezuela's coup, and call on DSA endorsed representatives @RashiadTalib and @AOC to stand with us against American imperialism. Hands off Venezuela!

And lest anyone forget that socialist AOC is nothing but a totally disingenuous DINO:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a Democratic Socialists of America member. Here’s what that means.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ocasio-cortez-democratic-socialist-of-america

 

[Kirkrapine]

And lest anyone forget that socialist AOC is nothing but a totally disingenuous DINO:

DINOs are RW Blue Dogs, or DLC neoliberals like the Clintons, not pinkos. AOC is a Dem in the great social-democratic tradition of FDR.

 

[Hal9000_]

What is the obsession with the junior congresswoman?

 

[Kirkrapine]

What is the obsession with the junior congresswoman?

It is because she is smart, capable, ambitious, lefty, female, and not white, all factors carrying equal weight with the RWs.

 

[Oblimo]

What is the obsession with the junior congresswoman?

They want to fuck her. Seems pretty obvious.