Baby it’s cold outside

[hotoldrguy]

Zydrate was good enough to post several versions of the song including an original from when it was originally written and performed. Others also posted versions.

So, same song, same words and at least three or more interpretations. It just shows how easily things can be manipulated to support a point of view.

Censorship goes against the first amendment of our constitution. Hitler burnt books and erased anything that was contrary to his beliefs. Throughout history, tyrants and despots and religions have purged views that THEY INTERPRETED as dangerous.

Everyone has their own beliefs and that is fine. That is what being an individual is about. But that does not make it right for them to push their beliefs on others through censorship or any other means.

 

[AlwaysFara]

You summed my my own feelings beautifully. Rant anytime you want.

Also, the song fucking sucks. I prefer non-shitty Christmas songs.

This and this.

 

[AlwaysFara]

Best Christmas song:

https://youtu.be/nud2TQNahaU

 

[UgliestSon]

Best Christmas song:

https://youtu.be/nud2TQNahaU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A8KT365wlA

 

[BadAmy]

I voted ban it. Because I am a jerk. I think it is a terrible holiday song. Christmas songs are about all the warm fuzzies to me. That song ain't it. Except when Zoe Deschanel and Will Farrell sing it in "Elf". That girl has a 50's crooner voice.

 

[hotoldrguy]

Personally, I don't see the song as creepy, I can take it as what the generation meant it to be. That being said, definitions and perspective changes through the years, the world gay and queer are some very clear examples of this. While the song wasn't intended to be a date rape song, the meaning of the words have changed and so we must treat it as such. It is the rare occurrence when anyone uses terms like gay, queer the way the words were originally defined.

While we shouldn't ban any work or literature, music, art, or anything that brings thought, no one wants swastikas in our parks or on our Nazi chants on our radios. We understand that relegating works to a place where they can be appreciated for their intent, purpose, or whatever is not the same thing as censorship. I live in the south, in one of the most racist counties in the south and the most racist in my state. I hear every day that being PC is just not being able to handle something. It isn't being PC is being able to see that something has an affect that is greater than your own perception.

While it is easy to feel that "you" or "us" are being discriminated against when you aren't the center of attention anymore just remember the being inclusive doesn't mean that you still get the biggest seat at the table, you get the same respect that you always did, but now everyone else gets it too.

****WARNING - IF YOU ARE A "SNOWFLAKE" FROM THE Baby Boomer generation, Silent Generation, X Generation, or just can't handle a rant STOP HERE*******

You have been warned.

To those saying my generation are all "snowflakes", remember that the "snowflake" generation, the millennial generation are now reaching our mid 30's in some cases, we are YOUR managers, we are tech giants, we are soldiers, we are ditch diggers, we are republicans, we are democrats. We are the dominate generation and we are now shaping the country into something that will hopefully be better. We don't think we should work ourselves to death, we don't put near as much value on material goods, we want to see all of us (including the older generations) have access to healthcare, and education. We are interconnected through the technology in our hands, technology that you complain about but your generation pushed, marketed, and ingrained into society. Don't be sour that we are perfecting the use of the shiny new things that the older generations wanted.
While our best qualities and our worse faults are not unique to our generation, from everything I've seen, and after doing thousands of hours of research for my bachelors focusing on my own generation, I've found we complain, because we don't accept that the problems that we deal with are just "part of life" we are a transitional generation. Once we are in power fully, which will be around 2024-2026 nothing will be the same, that is if the last vestiges of the Baby Boomer and the Silent generation don't kill us all first.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm quite tired of this argument, it gets my blood boiling, and I don't even really belong to my own generation, I grew up in a time capsule, I have more in common with someone from the 70-80's than I do from the 90's. I see the problems my generation have, but I'm not blind the problems of the past. Millennials want change, and we want it to help as many as we can, we don't want to be saddled with thousands in debt because your companies won't hire us without a degree or some other arbitrary certification that we are asked to have. Subjects like this one, a simple song, are why we get called snowflakes, because we see how words and actions, even if they are taken out of the intended context can hurt and bring pain. We will continue to call things like this out, and people like you out until you either crawl back in the hold you came from or you change your view point. We are tired of the hate and division that the past generations have inflicted on our home. As a veteran, as a millennial, as a person I am ashamed that anyone, especially those of us on Lit, can't see that words have power and would continue to support something that brings very real pain to people.


We are snowflakes, we are unique, but when we all do something together we create something beautiful. We are the generation that will be the first snow on the new ground, when our generation is done, when the next takes our place. The water from our snow will bring new life to the barren soil that has been mined and cleared for profit.

I agree with most of what you said here. I never call people names. Not snowflake or even Millennials. We are in a period of or history that is the most divisive and destructive I have experienced in my lifetime. The last time I remember the country being so divided was during the Vietnam War and civil rights movement. The "babyboomers" were either fighting or dying in Viet Nam or protesting against the government hypocrisy and greet or fighting to help bring racial equality to the country.

Many of these same people support what you are trying to do while others call you snowflakes...because we are still divided as a country. I think that as our generation aged most lost their idealism and put their own lives and interests first while more of a minority continued the struggle. I hope that your generation will continue the fight as you age.

Having said all this, focusing your attention on old songs that people really don't even listen to the lyrics from minimizes your impact and validity as relevant and important shapers of our county's future.

 

[LifeIsGood3976]

Not a fan of the song either, but calling it creepy is a classic case of applying modern criteria to a historical element.

When this song was written, there were much more stringent rules concerning courtship, when a man and woman could be alone (and when they couldn't). Whether it was fair or accurate, the common conception of the time was the woman controlled how far romantic advances actually advanced, and the man was always pushing the envelope.

Last year, they premiered Christmas episodes of "The Dick Van Dyke Show" and "I love Lucy." The shows were broadcast on prime time network television and they were colorized, but nothing else about the shows were changed.

In both episodes, the wives (Laura Petrie and Lucy Ricardo) made jokes to friends that if their husbands found out about what they were doing in the episode, the husbands were going to punch them. When they said this, the audience laughed.

Times change.

 

[zydrate]

It's a flat Earthers conspiracy!!!!

 

[Leigh81]

Excuse me? Not everyone in my generation are whiny snowflakes. Me personally, I don't find this song offensive. It's just a stupid song. So don't go judging a whole generation just because a few of the people can't deal with real life. And it's not like YOUR generation was perfect either!

Never said everyone, just the whiny snowflakes who get easily offended & triggered when they don't agree. There never has & never will be a perfect generation

This first part. Absolutely.
Nothing should ever be banned.
That being said, I called this song The Date Rape song long before #metoo, and I’ll change the station if it comes on.

That is your right & hopefully that right will never be changed
Personally I don't even remember that song & definitely not the lyrics.

A lot of hip hop songs have totally inappropriate words. It's freedom of expression. Don't like it? Don't listen. That's my take on it anyway...

Totally agree
Nicki Minaj is a good example for me. There is nothing I like about her but I wouldn't want her banned. I choose not to listen & move on. I'm not going to cry & complain about her

L

 

[fisherfella]

I agree with Leigh 81, we are all taking everything way too seriously, and we think everyone must hear our opinions,,

make the music and play it..listen to whatever you like

 

[Lord Pmann]

I am surprised this was ever a thing that got people’s knickers wound up. But I am often surprised when people act like a bunch of drooling idiots. Our society’s inability to distinguish the modern day lens through which the world is viewed (which is fucking ridiculous) versus historical trends is just absurd.

The slippery slope is normally considered a fallacy in debates. However, it’s becoming more and more real. The ever growing list of items that offend people is just laughable. Seinfeld? Friends? The irony is that these people often celebrate things that are far more offensive.

And does the sin of a person or art or song or show negate the positive? Do we negate the good that MLK Jr did because he was a womanizer? Do we negate Friends because they failed to have an equal number of races represented?

People need to grow a pair (of balls or ovaries- your choice, as it is in this day and age).