How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Tryharder62]

There is nothing scientific about those statements, and Lord Kelvin would agree to that.

Yet with all his scientific knowledge he believed in something more.

 

[ishtat]

Yet with all his scientific knowledge he believed in something more.

No Try. Kelvin clearly said that belief was less and provable knowledge was more:-

" When you can measure something and express it in numbers, you know something about it, when you cannot measure it in numbers your knowledge is meagre and unsatisfactory. It may be the beginning of knowledge but nothing more."

Colddiesel's original point was that belief is only a beginning and a dominant feature of undeveloped minds. Until it becomes firstly a hypothesis, then a theory, and finally through observation, experimentation, measurement, and proof it remains mere belief. Religion of all types is mere belief, utterly unsupported by evidence.

And Try - be wary of CD. He's as old as sin and just as crafty. Choosing as examples Copernicus , Newton and Einstein, because it's pretty easy to show how fundamentally unreligious they actually were. I haven't time now but I'll try and get back to it in a few days.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS. IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD EVER DO AND IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES.

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

There are some things that you should know:

1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

It all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain, which this world sees, is the result of sin.

2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross:

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store; it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Lying, stealing, sex before marriage, pride, hatred, ect. Are all sins. Hell is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. That’s because you must be perfect in order to get to heaven. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already sinned, which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the President can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die. You won’t have to pay for your own sins because Jesus already did that for you. But if you reject the pardon that He offers, you will have to pay for your own sins by going to hell.

3. If you will confess Jesus Christ is the Lord and in Faith, Believe in your heart that He died and rose again for your sins, you will be saved.

Eph 2:8,9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.."

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placing your Faith in Him. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through trusting in what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you in faith.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? ARE YOU WILLING TO PLACE YOUR FAITH IN HIM FOR SALVATION?

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

4. If you want to accept Jesus free gift of salvation, or if you have any doubts about whether or not you are going to heaven, you could place your faith in Jesus Christ for salvation by praying this simple prayer:

”Dear Lord Jesus I believe that You are the Lord and believe in my heart that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I repent and turn to you and I place my Faith in You as Lord of my life, Please save me and I thank You for it, in Jesus holy name, Amen.”

If you have placed your faith in Christ for salvation, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

Please take the time to read this first post and vote in the poll.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Chick-fil-A stops service to pray for worker's surgery

Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2018/09/chick-f...pray-for-workers-surgery/#3TMEYSE7ya4hjP0X.99

 

[Tryharder62]

No Try. Kelvin clearly said that belief was less and provable knowledge was more:-

" When you can measure something and express it in numbers, you know something about it, when you cannot measure it in numbers your knowledge is meagre and unsatisfactory. It may be the beginning of knowledge but nothing more."

Colddiesel's original point was that belief is only a beginning and a dominant feature of undeveloped minds. Until it becomes firstly a hypothesis, then a theory, and finally through observation, experimentation, measurement, and proof it remains mere belief. Religion of all types is mere belief, utterly unsupported by evidence.

And Try - be wary of CD. He's as old as sin and just as crafty. Choosing as examples Copernicus , Newton and Einstein, because it's pretty easy to show how fundamentally unreligious they actually were. I haven't time now but I'll try and get back to it in a few days.

I am not worried about Colddiesel. I enjoy talking to him. I think there was more to these men than being unreligious or the quotes I listed wouldn't have happened.

I am all for science, but I think there are limits to what it can measure.

1) Existential Truth: Science cannot prove that you aren’t merely a brain in a jar being manipulated to think this is all actually happening (think of something like in the movie “The Matrix”.) It also cannot prove that the world wasn’t created 5 minutes ago with the appearance of age (and with fake memories in your head, and half-digested food in your stomach, etc). However, it’s still rational to believe that our memories are true and that the world is real.

2) Moral Truth: Science cannot prove that rape is evil. While it is possible to demonstrate, for example, that there are negative physical or psychological effects of rape, there is no scientific test that can prove it is evil. Science can describe how the natural world is, but moral truth carries an “oughtness” (how things should be) that goes beyond what merely is.

3) Logical Truth: Consider the statement, “Science is the only way to really know truth.” How could you prove that statement by science? It is actually self-refuting because there is no scientific test you could use to prove that it is true! Science cannot prove logic to be true because it assumes and requires logic in order for it to work.

4) Historical Truth: Science cannot prove that Barack Obama won the 2008 United States presidential election. There is no scientific test we could perform to prove it. We could have an investigation if we wanted to confirm that he did actually win, but the method for proving historical truths is different from testing scientific truths since historical truths are by nature non-repeatable.

5) Experiential Truth: Science cannot prove that your spouse loves you. When asked why so-and-so loves you, you may cite precedent (times when their behavior demonstrates their love for you), but this is a particular type of historical truth. There is no scientific test that can confirm a lifetime of experience of knowing a person.

None of this is meant to criticize science! There’s nothing wrong with the scientific method for testing the kinds of things it was meant to test. However, it would be a mistake to expect it to be able to test everything.

 

[phrodeau]

Chick-fil-A stops service to pray for worker's surgery

Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2018/09/chick-f...pray-for-workers-surgery/#3TMEYSE7ya4hjP0X.99

Maybe God shouldn't have caused cancer in the first place.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Maybe God shouldn't have caused cancer in the first place.

It's a judgment because of MAN'S sin against God. Man shouldn't have sinned in the first place.

 

[colddiesel]

It's a judgment because of MAN'S sin against God. Man shouldn't have sinned in the first place.

There is a tiny parasitic worm found in the Amazon river basin. It gets into the bodies of babies and toddlers through the tear duct. It then feeds on their brain, until the child goes blind, mad or both .The lucky ones die.

If your god created that, the evil bastard deserves to be pissed on - not prayed to.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

There is a tiny parasitic worm found in the Amazon river basin. It gets into the bodies of babies and toddlers through the tear duct. It then feeds on their brain, until the child goes blind, mad or both .The lucky ones die.

If your god created that, the evil bastard deserves to be pissed on - not prayed to.

No doubt they will blame that functionality on the Fall of Man, but they cannot explain why the loathsome creature existed in the first place, what it supposedly ate before the so-called Fall, or how it survived the so-called Flood.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

There is a tiny parasitic worm found in the Amazon river basin. It gets into the bodies of babies and toddlers through the tear duct. It then feeds on their brain, until the child goes blind, mad or both .The lucky ones die.

If your god created that, the evil bastard deserves to be pissed on - not prayed to.

I would be more worried about whether your name and the names of others were written in the Book of Life.

Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Tryharder62]

There is a tiny parasitic worm found in the Amazon river basin. It gets into the bodies of babies and toddlers through the tear duct. It then feeds on their brain, until the child goes blind, mad or both .The lucky ones die.

If your god created that, the evil bastard deserves to be pissed on - not prayed to.

No doubt they will blame that functionality on the Fall of Man, but they cannot explain why the loathsome creature existed in the first place, what it supposedly ate before the so-called Fall, or how it survived the so-called Flood.

I don't know what they ate in the garden but this is what I think happened. Have you ever heard of adaptation? When the environment was no longer "perfect" in the garden these organisms adapted to survive. They were created "good" but choices knocked the environment out of balance. There are consequences to the choices we make.

 

[phrodeau]

I don't know what they ate in the garden but this is what I think happened. Have you ever heard of adaptation? When the environment was no longer "perfect" in the garden these organisms adapted to survive. They were created "good" but choices knocked the environment out of balance. There are consequences to the choices we make.

Funny, but there's nothing at all like that in my Bible. Only one non-human species was affected by God's curse; hardly enough to throw the environment out of balance.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I
hope you all had a blessed Labor Day and remember to give thanks to the Lord.

 

[Tryharder62]

Funny, but there's nothing at all like that in my Bible. Only one non-human species was affected by God's curse; hardly enough to throw the environment out of balance.

Actually everything was affected by God's curse. Death was introduced to God’s perfect creation, so animals, people, and plants have had to fight for survival ever since.

 

[colddiesel]

I would be more worried about whether your name and the names of others were written in the Book of Life.

Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Typical Xfrodo - avoid the substantive issue and like the barely educated fundamentalist you are resort to Revelation. The book of Revelation was the last to be added to the Biblical Canon in 393 AD and many of the more sensible Eastern Churches left it out. Ireneus of Lyons who almost single handedly established the rest of the Canon thought it should be left out and even 1500 years later Martin Luther and John Calvin had grave doubts about it. Revelation is essentially the gibbering idiocy of a deranged mind - But to early Christian missionaries it was an invaluable asset - because it could be used to threaten and terrify potential converts to death. To this day ignorant fundamentalists use it to try and scare their opponents (as XFrodo has here).

When Clergy men and women are speaking to well educated congregations Revelation is hardly ever used or quoted - because it's so damn silly.

So now Xfrodo, be assured that I don't give a rats ass about your vengeful god - and please explain the god ,who according to you, created the creature that eats the brains of living babies.

 

[phrodeau]

Actually everything was affected by God's curse. Death was introduced to God’s perfect creation, so animals, people, and plants have had to fight for survival ever since.

There’s nothing actually about it. You got that idea from someplace outside the Bible, because it sure isn’t inside.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

ANCIENT CHURCH FOUND HIDDEN IN LAKE

https://www.wnd.com/2018/09/ancient-church-found-hidden-in-lake/

 

[phrodeau]

ANCIENT CHURCH FOUND HIDDEN IN LAKE

https://www.wnd.com/2018/09/ancient-church-found-hidden-in-lake/

Did they teach the story of Noah there?

 

[beew]

ANCIENT CHURCH FOUND HIDDEN IN LAKE

https://www.wnd.com/2018/09/ancient-church-found-hidden-in-lake/

Interesting stuff.

Turkey's Christian population used to be 25% prior to the Armenian, Greek and Assirian genocides.
Now it's 2% and dwindling even further through conversions driven by fear or wish for social advantage.
Given Erdogan's revival of neo-Ottomanism in his internal and foreign politics.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Turkey
http://bostonreview.net/politics/m-hakan-yavuz-erdogan-ottomanophilia

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

Stephen Fry on the Christian god.....priceless.

 

[beew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

Stephen Fry on the Christian god.....priceless.

He's referring to people who have a victorian-hollier than though or bastardised approach to faith.
But most practitioners are focused on the meaning-making and hope side. Only faith allowed people like Frankl or Solzhenitsyn to survive concentration camps. It's also a symbol of one's national identity and traditions and culture.

 

[beew]

I think that Religion can be both malignant and helpful, depending on how Powerholders approach it.

My understanding is that in certain Red States, Republican politics and puritanism have infiltrated those institutions, and Religion is often used as an instrument of social control.

But in other cases, Faith helps the individual be independent.
Otherwise, they become mentally dependent on the State or other authorities, or easily unsettled by the vicissitude of daily living. Soviets, communists and neo nazis saw Religion (regardless of type of faith) as enemy no.1

 

[phrodeau]

I think that Religion can be both malignant and helpful, depending on how Powerholders approach it.

My understanding is that in certain Red States, Republican politics and puritanism have infiltrated those institutions, and Religion is often used as an instrument of social control.

But in other cases, Faith helps the individual be independent.
Otherwise, they become mentally dependent on the State or other authorities, or easily unsettled by the vicissitude of daily living. Soviets, communists and neo nazis saw Religion (regardless of type of faith) as enemy no.1

Religions and governments were the same thing for centuries.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Religions and governments were the same thing for centuries.

Certainly in the Papal States.