Well, Trump has finally and overtly committed treason

[jomar]

Which "utter nonsense" are you referring to?

Everything you post, of course. But at least you’re having fun.

 

[doowdniw]

The American Deep State began the day the previously totally independent States ceded their natural sovereignty to the very concept of the new, collective federal government. Patrick Henry famously foretold that such unAmerican "consolidation" wouldn't last 100 years before revolution naturally erupted against it.

74 years later, America's War of Rebellion commenced. Tyrannically statist Abe then brought Deep State POWER/CONTROL to full unAmerican light, costing around 1 million American lives simply to FORCEFULLY hold a "voluntary" union together.

Before the Civil War, America's postal service offered the greatest presence of federal government throughout the country; after the Civil War, and Lincoln's assassination, Deep State government POWER/CONTROL grew exponentially all over the land, especially in the defeated south. But that statist presence wasn't for the primary benefit of the people the War had helped so much to free, as was evidenced by that statist government barely 10 years after Appomattox when Republicans Grant and Hayes both deemed keeping the POWER of their Deep State consolidated was more important than the natural, God-endowed individual rights of ALL Americans. Thus those Americans, after 10 years of actual freedom, were sacrificed back to the new enslaving Jim Crow laws of the totally Democratic south, cementing almost another 100 years of repugnant, statist RULE over individual freedom.

Funny, ain't it, that Harry Truman added a big piece to the Deep State, then publicly voiced his full regret for doing so; that even after Ike warned us of the Deep State "complex", and JFK told us of the Deep Forces concretely at work, today exists those who say there is no Deep State at all.

The Deep State is today exactly what it was conceived to be at its birth in 1788 by so many disingenuous Federalists: an all powerful, statisly bureaucratic, collective federal government which CONTROLS/REGULATES virtually every aspect of everyday, individual American life.

Patrick Henry and the Anti-Federalists were right, and all individual liberty-loving Americans are suffering today because they weren't listened to enough back then.

Okay, okay, I got all that. But JFK, Truman, Hayes, Grant, and Lincoln are all dead. My question is whose running the DeepState now? Trump? Or does the mere fact that we have a federal government constitute sufficient evidence of the existence of the DeepState in your mind? Is every federal employee a member of the DeepState, or are they mere unsuspecting lackeys, unknowingly pushing the agenda of the DeepState? What person controls that agenda now? Names (hopefully of actual living people) would be helpful.

 

[Sean]

Okay, okay, I got all that. But JFK, Truman, Hayes, Grant, and Lincoln are all dead. My question is whose running the DeepState now? Trump? Or does the mere fact that we have a federal government constitute sufficient evidence of the existence of the DeepState in your mind? Is every federal employee a member of the DeepState, or are they mere unsuspecting lackeys, unknowingly pushing the agenda of the DeepState? What person controls that agenda now? Names (hopefully of actual living people) would be helpful.

It's the lizard people. Or the Jews. I can't keep up with the nutbag conspiracy theory du jour.

 

[jp55665566]

Okay, okay, I got all that. But JFK, Truman, Hayes, Grant, and Lincoln are all dead. My question is whose running the DeepState now? Trump? Or does the mere fact that we have a federal government constitute sufficient evidence of the existence of the DeepState in your mind? Is every federal employee a member of the DeepState, or are they mere unsuspecting lackeys, unknowingly pushing the agenda of the DeepState? What person controls that agenda now? Names (hopefully of actual living people) would be helpful.

One decent source for that information are the reports from Former Minister of Defense in Canada; Paul Hellyer. It comes down to International bankers, Defense Industry, and others. For names you can look at membership in the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Tri-Lateral Commission, and others. It is the Military Industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned us about.
Ridicule is an primary tool used to disparage these reports.
When I first heard these truths some 40-50 years ago, I completely dismissed them as wacko nonsense. It takes time to learn about and understand these truths.
A good start is the John Perkins book, Diary of an Economic Hitman >>
http://resistir.info/livros/john_perkins_confessions_of_an_economic_hit_man.pdf

Be cautious. When the whole scope of perfidious greed undertaken by this group hits you; it's pretty overwhelming.

Pres Obama: "there is a group, who wants to keep Guantanamo Bay open." Barack promised to close Gitmo, but was unable to because of DeepState.

Bill Clinton: "there is a government inside the government, and I'm not in charge."

President Trump is NOT part of this international, very powerful, criminal cabal. THEY are working diligently to take care of that (Trump) "problem".

 

[beew]

I'm unable to opiniate on such complex matters, other than express my utter bewilderment.

That Russia has been conducting espionage or has been trying to subvert the States is just common sense - most super powers do that to each other, even allies.

But that the head of the most powerful empire in the world is a Russian mole -it sounds so strange, like a James Bond movie on hormones.
The alternative hypothesis - that American or British Intel have been conspiring or making up these things - sounds even more strange and surreal.

 

[jp55665566]

I'm unable to opiniate on such complex matters, other than express my utter bewilderment.

That Russia has been conducting espionage or has been trying to subvert the States is just common sense - most super powers do that to each other, even allies.

But that the head of the most powerful empire in the world is a Russian mole -it sounds so strange, like a James Bond movie on hormones.
The alternative hypothesis - that American or British Intel have been conspiring or making up these things - sounds even more strange and surreal.

I understand, and it is surreal, super-real. Widen your scope a little bit and look at the track record of CIA specifically. Murder and assassination around the world, and at home, is their joy. We already know the MI6 "Steele dossier" is a complete fairy tale, used to obtain surveillance warrants on Presidential candidate Trump.
In case you don't know, the FBI has been corrupt since it's inception. J.Edgar Hoover was a darling of Mafia and organized crime << it's a well known and acknowledged fact.

 

[beew]

I understand, and it is surreal, super-real. Widen your scope a little bit and look at the track record of CIA specifically. Murder and assassination around the world, and at home, is their joy. We already know the MI6 "Steele dossier" is a complete fairy tale, used to obtain surveillance warrants on Presidential candidate Trump.
In case you don't know, the FBI has been corrupt since it's inception. J.Edgar Hoover was a darling of Mafia and organized crime << it's a well known and acknowledged fact.

Politics are dirty business. Whether her CIA etc. get their hands more dirty than other superpowers - who knows....

But that's not what people are trying to debate here.
They're discussing whether Russia tried to interfere in elections (quite likely).
And the main controversy is about Trump's involvement with them or lack of.

 

[070276]

Okay, okay, I got all that.

No, from your ending questions which have already been answered, I don't read that you actually do.

As far as politics (the art of governance) go, there is only individual liberty and collectivism, with varying degrees of either filling that unbridgable ideological gap.

Statism, or the Deep State, is the political philosophy that an omnipotent, central government takes precedent over individual liberty - that phiolosphy is witnessed to by actual Deep State practice. Those who favor statist bureaucratic collectivism over individual liberty are ALL viable Deep State puppets, regardless of time/era.

You know what allegedly turned the great American patriot Patrick Henry against the Deep State of his day, what turned him from being pro-Constitution to totally anti-Federalist, to the point that he declined to be Virginia's first US Senator, just as he declined his younger peer President Washington's every offer of any federal position, one of which was as the US's first Chief Justice of its Supreme Court? After all, right before Henry changed his mind about any federal Constitution, James Madison himself referred to Henry as "champion of the federal cause."

Henry was elected the first Governor of an American colony under a constitutional republic, a Virginia Constitution that he had such a great part in constituting. As VA Gov (he would serve as VA Gov for 5 terms - not consecutively), Henry was totally responsible for the exploration by George Rogers Clark of so much land to the west of VA, the famous Northwest Territory. Of course, that Territory included one of the longest rivers in the world and a transportation luxury that benefited the entire south - the great Mississippi.

On August 3, 1786, less than a year before the Constitutional Convention was to meet, John Jay, secretary of foreign affairs for the Confederation Congress at that time, revealed to that Congress that he and the Spanish envoy were successfully negotiating a new treaty between the INDEPENDENT States and Spain, and that to cement the deal he urged Congress to consent to surrender navigation rights on the Mississippi for "twenty-five to thirty years".

The six Southern States, who growingly depended on the Mississippi for so much of their commerce, defense and security, were naturally shell-shocked by this sudden revelation because they knew nothing about it and hadn't even been consulted by the Northern States, who didn't benefit from the Mississippi at all (thus the reason for offering its navigation rights to Spain for decades, in return for treaty perks beneficial to the Eastern/Northern States).

But that was just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, for once that disingenuous cat was out of the bag other revelations about exactly what the Eastern/Northern States were conspiring about were directly related to Governor Henry by James Monroe, including:

...that a secret project was then under the serious consideration of "committees" of Northern men, for a dismemberment of the Union, and for setting the Southern States adrift, after having thus bartered away from them the use of the Mississippi.

Monroe's letter to his Governor also reported the Northern States were conspiring...

...to break up the settlement on the western waters...To throw the weight of population eastward and keep it there, to appreciate the vacant lands of New York and Massachusetts. In short, it is a system of policy which has for its object the keeping the weight of government and population of this quarter, and is proposed by a set of men so flagitious, unprincipled, and determined in their pursuits, as to satisfy me beyond a doubt they have extended their views to the dismemberment of the gov't...and resolved either that sooner than fail it shall be the case, or being only desirous of that event have adopted this as the necessary means of effecting it..."

[Keep in mind that Monroe was elected the US's 5th President, 4 out of those first 5 being Virginians.]

Henry reaction to the reported scheme of the Confederation Congress to yield the navigation of the Mississippi to Spain, and to conspiratorially dissolve the Union, was to exercise his first declination of all connection to any to the looming push for a new federal government: he refused appointment from VA's legislature to be one of its delegates at the upcoming Constitutional Convention.

The Confederation Congress failed to enact the Spain treaty on a vote of 7 States For and 5 States Against on August 25, 1786, in the face of the constitutional provision which required 9 States' Yes votes to enter into a treaty.

Patrick Henry famously said he "smelt a rat" and that stink was the devious Deep State conspiracy to sell-out the non-Eastern/Northern States of the Union. He had early recognized the Mississippi's commercial advantages to the Southern States, and its contribution to the defense and security of the massive, wild western lands and frontiers. Henry himself was reportedly heard to say, "that he would rather part with the Confederacy than relinquish the navigation of the Mississippi."

This after Governor Henry had eagerly induced his own State's legislature to cede individual claim to its humongous Northwestern Territory discoveries to the Union as a whole.

That was it for Henry, who until this Deep State betrayal, again, was For the concept of the new federal government, to proclaim that if such a concept was ever ratified by the States, he would never violently attempt to overthrow it, but he most definitely would never support it, either. And also again: no matter the prestigious federal positions in the new federal government he was offered to on a literal golden plate, Patrick Henry declined every one of them.

One of America's foremost revolutionary founders wanted absolutely nothing to do with its corrupt, Deep State framing.

 

[doowdniw]

Statism, or the Deep State, is the political philosophy that an omnipotent, central government takes precedent over individual liberty - that phiolosphy is witnessed to by actual Deep State practice. Those who favor statist bureaucratic collectivism over individual liberty are ALL viable Deep State puppets, regardless of time/era.

But who is the puppet master? Who is pulling the strings? Not just general affiliations, we need names so that we may tar and feather these blaggards and run them out of town on a rail.
And Henry was staunchly against the Constitution. How does that square with the Bill of Rights?

 

[jp55665566]

But who is the puppet master? Who is pulling the strings? Not just general affiliations, we need names so that we may tar and feather these blaggards and run them out of town on a rail.
And Henry was staunchly against the Constitution. How does that square with the Bill of Rights?

They own the city you live in, the rail system, the food and energy supplies, and the money you use. They control governments. They also own the legal system where you may make a complaint. They control the futures of your children and grandchildren through economic slavery, and will make them believe everything is just fine. They write the history books and make the laws. They control your "news".
George Orwell nailed it with his novel, 1984.
I sense that your query is insincere. Why not express your real thoughts and emotions? You will never be a successful artist if you lie to yourself.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Things that are more likely to exist than the supposed "Deep State":

1. Bigfoot
2. Santa
3. The Abominable Snowman
4. The Loch Ness Monster
5. A Still Alive Elvis
6. The Easter Bunny
7. The Tooth Fairy
8. A Flat Earth

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

It's the lizard people. Or the Jews. I can't keep up with the nutbag conspiracy theory du jour.

Me, neither. I used to be a Bircher, and I can't even keep up. Trust me when I tell you, these people are in earnest, and that's what makes them so scary.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

9. Trump's Brain

Things that are more likely to exist than the supposed "Deep State":

1. Bigfoot
2. Santa
3. The Abominable Snowman
4. The Loch Ness Monster
5. A Still Alive Elvis
6. The Easter Bunny
7. The Tooth Fairy
8. A Flat Earth

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

9. Trump's Brain

10. Unicorns

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Things that are more likely to exist than the supposed "Deep State":

1. Bigfoot
2. Santa
3. The Abominable Snowman
4. The Loch Ness Monster
5. A Still Alive Elvis
6. The Easter Bunny
7. The Tooth Fairy
8. A Flat Earth

9. Trump's Brain

10. Unicorns

11. Single Payer Healthcare In America
12. Avocados that won't turn black in a day after you buy them

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxpj6grFIe1qcaomb.gif

 

[about_average]

He's just fighting fire with fire, naive clown.

You're funny.

 

[BB10]

Things that are more likely to exist than the supposed "Deep State":

1. Bigfoot
2. Santa
3. The Abominable Snowman
4. The Loch Ness Monster
5. A Still Alive Elvis
6. The Easter Bunny
7. The Tooth Fairy
8. A Flat Earth

FBI admits to it

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1481632

as does WAPO

https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/washington-post-thanks-god-deep-state/



but then again, WAPO and FBI are LYING...of course

 

[HisArpy]

FBI admits to it

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1481632

as does WAPO

https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/washington-post-thanks-god-deep-state/



but then again, WAPO and FBI are LYING...of course

Of course they're lying. It's the libidiot way. If you can't cite to someone/source who said it first, as if having formed your own opinion is somehow improper, then it didn't happen or it's a lie. (The whole idea being that parroting someone else, who plagerized someone, who quoted someone's nephew, who made it all up in the first place..., word for word somehow makes it YOUR opinion instead of theirs.)

Unless the Libidiots don't agree with it. Then it's a lie even if it's the same someone/source they've been parroting for years.

It's confusing. I guess that's why they're Libidiots.

 

[about_average]

Here's the "treason" that the Democrats see. President Trump did not hammer, relentlessly, President (or whatever the title of the dictator is today) Putin publicly and rudely, like he does his domestic political (/press) opposition. Of course, had he followed that course, he would have been vilified not for treason, but bringing us one step closer to nuclear Armageddon.

Yeah, there's certainly no middle ground when a country attacks the US between blaming the US and handing Putin a public relations victory (which Trump did) and nuclear armageddon.

What I am saying is that, these or similar policies have been in place for a long time, with the exception of the Obama administration( because he eventually passed a Bill to help immigrants stay in the country ). If you ask the whole country, you'll have a 50/50 split on the issue, give or take. I wish there was a fair way to satisfy everyone, but you can't, you're either for or against it. Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it

Family separation, prior to Trump, only happened if the people were charged with a crime and incarcerated. It was never weaponized until Trump.

I'm not sure what you're claiming is 50/50 but 75% of Americans say immigration is good for the country and only 27% support family separation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/us/immigration-polls-donald-trump.html

 

[BB10]

Yeah, there's certainly no middle ground when a country attacks the US between blaming the US and handing Putin a public relations victory (which Trump did) and nuclear armageddon.

Family separation, prior to Trump, only happened if the people were charged with a crime and incarcerated. It was never weaponized until Trump.

I'm not sure what you're claiming is 50/50 but 75% of Americans say immigration is good for the country and only 27% support family separation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/us/immigration-polls-donald-trump.html

ILLEGAL

 

[BB10]

Of course they're lying. It's the libidiot way. If you can't cite to someone/source who said it first, as if having formed your own opinion is somehow improper, then it didn't happen or it's a lie. (The whole idea being that parroting someone else, who plagerized someone, who quoted someone's nephew, who made it all up in the first place..., word for word somehow makes it YOUR opinion instead of theirs.)

Unless the Libidiots don't agree with it. Then it's a lie even if it's the same someone/source they've been parroting for years.

It's confusing. I guess that's why they're Libidiots.

so confusing I have no idea what you said

 

[doowdniw]

They own the city you live in, the rail system, the food and energy supplies, and the money you use. They control governments. They also own the legal system where you may make a complaint. They control the futures of your children and grandchildren through economic slavery, and will make them believe everything is just fine. They write the history books and make the laws. They control your "news".
George Orwell nailed it with his novel, 1984.
I sense that your query is insincere. Why not express your real thoughts and emotions? You will never be a successful artist if you lie to yourself.

Why not just answer the question that was asked? I am merely asking for names. You are either unable or unwilling to provide them. Who are "they"? Please be specific.

 

[070276]

But who is the puppet master? Who is pulling the strings?

You mean "what", not "who", and, again, I've already addressed that:

Statism, or the Deep State, is the political philosophy that an omnipotent, central government takes precedent over individual liberty - that phiolosphy is witnessed to by actual Deep State practice. Those who favor statist bureaucratic collectivism over individual liberty are ALL viable Deep State puppets, regardless of time/era.

Not just general affiliations, we need names so that we may tar and feather these blaggards and run them out of town on a rail.

Oh, Deep Staters like James Comey have already lost their careers. You know, the same Comey who testified to Congress concerning the infamous Apple situation that there should be no aspect of American life that federal government law enforcement should not have access to.

And Deep Staters like James Clapper, who directly lied to Congress about spying on the American people, will probably be virtually ran out of town once his prime role in the latest Deep State conspiracy can no longer be denied.

And Deep Stater Rod Rosenstein's career is hanging by a mere thread, a thread which is still unraveling as his signatory role in disingenuous FISC warrants becomes even clearer.

As for other "names"? Here's a dartboard - have fun!

https://imghaven.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/the-scheme-21.jpg

And Henry was staunchly against the Constitution. How does that square with the Bill of Rights?

Your statement and question above make absolutely no sense to me. Sorry.

 

[doowdniw]

So you want me to pick out names for you. Got it. Should I use your blindfold when I throw the darts? Clapper and Comey still a part of your deep state even though they're out of government? What laws did Clapper and Comey get put into place to advance their nefarious scheme(s)? If this "Deep State" has been around since before the ratification of the constitution, surely there are still some players alive from before the Obama administration (not including Clinton). Names?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Capo Trump kissed the ring of Don Putin. It's about organized international criminal enterprizes, kids.