Well, Trump has finally and overtly committed treason

[HAL_9000]

Can you articulate how? What was accomplished?

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[Que]

I was responding to the absurd allegations that the left is more provocative.

I don't know if Trump was trolling for an assassin and neither do you.

Yeah, I'm sure he was "trolling <PUBLICLY> for an assassin".

The left has a long history of actual violence and ascribing violent tendencies to the right. The left avoids violence and loves them some authoritarianisn when they're in charge and want to disarm the citizenry. When they're out of power, then you get on the tame end, protests and riots all the way up to things like the Anarchist Cookbook.

The tea party didn't even leave trash behind. BLM threatened and in at least one case killed cops and occupy wall street created third world conditions in their encampments. The environmental wackos protesting the pile line did actual environmental damage with their encampments.

It's not even close. The right are Boy Scouts (often literally) compared to the left.

"But, but TIMOTHY MCVEIGH...."

Which was an actual insurgency. He decided to go to war and he did. It was in his mind justifiable retaliation for the actual war that the Clinton Administration declared on law-abiding citizens.

This by the way, is what violence is going to look like, when and if the right ever decides to adopt the left's violent tactics. They aren't going to likely f*** around with breaking some storefront windows.

 

[Rightguide]

I'm not commenting on Trump, I don't understand these issues enough.
Although it wouldn't surprise me if he did, given that he appears to be primarily invested in his own/ and his sponsors (who propelled him into elections) financial interests.

But the other part, which you're commenting is exactly what startled me about people's reactions. Why the surprised outrage?

It seems like common sense to me to assume that All superpowers engage in espionage and are trying to either sabotage each others' infrastructure, or influence each others elections towards an outcome that advantages them.
(in Russia's case, against Hillary and with Trump due to his stated foreign policies ).

Under Obama in 2015 the Office of Personnel Management was hacked by foreign actors and 21 million personnel files of Americans who've worked for the government were accessed. This includes foreign agents of the United States government, the names, employment data, and private data on every American who has ever been granted a security clearance, federal retirees, and present employees. All of that and hardly a word of outrage directed at Barack Obama by the major media.

The idea that Trump is in Putin's pocket is patently false. This notion is a propaganda fantasy of the left and just the kind of message Putin himself would want disseminated throughout his own population. This narrative helps Putin survive in his own country and among the Russian oligarchs who support him. The real truth is, no President has sanctioned Russia more severely than Donald Trump. You can go here for a complete accounting of the sanctions Trump has levied against Russia and those individuals supporting Putin. Just scroll down though this list and you'll understand why Putin wanted to meet with Trump:

https://gop.com/trump-admins-tough-actions-against-russia-rsr

Understand as well, Donald Trump could sink the entire Russian economy with the stroke of his pen by denying Putin and his banks access to the American financial system which would prevent him from doing any business in US Dollars.

The ignorance and hate on the left for Trump is astounding. It's quite clear they hate Trump more than they love their country.

 

[spacekowboy]

Is that why you went I to hiding, Vette? Because of 45 year old personell records of you handing out cans of creamed corn in Vietnam?

 

[Rightguide]

haha. "throw intelligence services under the bus" You gotta be kidding. This is the same "intelligence" services that gave us 9/11, the phony WMD, the phony Gulf of Tonkin, the phony JFK, MLK, RFK assassinations. Operation Mockingbird and collection of mega-data by the CIA, who have an explicit injunction against domestic operation. You think "intelligence", the Secret Police, are operating in Uncle Sam's best interests? Dude, or madam, you are lost.
CIA out of social media.

The same intelligence agencies run by Brennan, Clapper, and Comey,who with the DOJ, conspired to construct a false dossier with information developed from Russian sources, claim it to be legitimate official intelligence, present it to a FISA Court Judge, in order to unmask and spy on a political opponent in order to upset the results of a presidential election.

He should trust them about as far as he can throw the USS Harry S. Truman. He should appoint a Special Prosecutor to root them all out, try them for conspiracy against the United States and Sedition, and have them executed on the National Mall.

 

[nowisthetime]

Is that why you went I to hiding, Vette? Because of 45 year old personell records of you handing out cans of creamed corn in Vietnam?

All those atrocities he may have committed, the scummie.


Now he's trying to write long-winded essays as if he is so intelligent.

 

[Rightguide]

personal attacks and nothing else? In what way, please, has President Trump committed "treason"?

Remind him there is only one legal definition of treason and it's in Article III Section III of the Constitution.

 

[spacekowboy]

All those atrocities he may have committed, the scummie.


Now he's trying to write long-winded essays as if he is so intelligent.

Notice how he is avoiding the question?

Typical.

Yet the piece of shit will come here and actively advocate a civil war against people who have differing view points. It sickens me that that man was in the Corps.

 

[spacekowboy]

You should praise the CIA though, Vette.

Without the CIA you wouldn't have been stationed at the PX in Saigon. Without that you wouldn't have been able to sell off and barter american supplies for blowjobs from Asian women so they could feed their families. You never would have had that experience if not for the CIA.

You would just be an even more boring and angry old fuck.

 

[nowisthetime]

Notice how he is avoiding the question?

Typical.

Yet the piece of shit will come here and actively advocate a civil war against people who have differing view points. It sickens me that that man was in the Corps.

He is a scumbag Brown Shirt, and he should know better. At least, Bitched Boy has the excuse of failing to take his clozapine, what's VETTE'S excuse?


I think he is a sociopath (using starving women for sex), very sexist, and enjoys being an antagonistic asshole. He wears it like a badge of honor.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Yeah, I'm sure he was "trolling <PUBLICLY> for an assassin".

The left has a long history of actual violence and ascribing violent tendencies to the right. The left avoids violence and loves them some authoritarianisn when they're in charge and want to disarm the citizenry. When they're out of power, then you get on the tame end, protests and riots all the way up to things like the Anarchist Cookbook.

The tea party didn't even leave trash behind. BLM threatened and in at least one case killed cops and occupy wall street created third world conditions in their encampments. The environmental wackos protesting the pile line did actual environmental damage with their encampments.

It's not even close. The right are Boy Scouts (often literally) compared to the left.

"But, but TIMOTHY MCVEIGH...."

Which was an actual insurgency. He decided to go to war and he did. It was in his mind justifiable retaliation for the actual war that the Clinton Administration declared on law-abiding citizens.

This by the way, is what violence is going to look like, when and if the right ever decides to adopt the left's violent tactics. They aren't going to likely f*** around with breaking some storefront windows.

You forgot to add that the left has an extensive history of lynchings!

 

[Que]

You forgot to add that the left has an extensive history of lynchings!

Quite true. The Democrats of the KKK were very much OK with taking the "law" as they saw it into their own hands.

By the way, don't even try to falsely assert that those old Southern racists "switched sides" in response to the Republicans passing the Civil Rights act.

Voter roles and voting patterns put the lie to that with extreme prejudice. It isn't even debatable, despite that being consistently taught by the bigots of low expectations that work for the publicly funded indoctrination centers of the left in the academic industrial complex.

You can see though why such wrong-headed ideas are easily able to take hold: when you spend 20 trillion dollars of public money indoctrinating the populiace during their more formative years you do get a certain amount of bang for your advertising dollar.

 

[nowisthetime]

You forgot to add that the left has an extensive history of lynchings!

Don't forget church bombings and beatings!

Much of that terrorism was balls deep into law enforcment

Chaney, Schwerner, Goodman?


He has some nerve.

He forgot to read that rightist males are the biggest perpetrators of domestic terrorism.

Too busy blaming the "left" he can't even see the right's own shortcomings.

Hypocrisy

 

[Que]

Don't forget church bombings and beatings!

Much of that terrorism was balls deep into law enforcment

Chaney, Schwerner, Goodman?


He has some nerve.

He forgot to read that rightist males are the biggest perpetrators of domestic terrorism.

Too busy blaming the "left" he can't even see the right's own shortcomings.

Hypocrisy

Case in point ^^^

She actually believes that it was those evil Republicans that were keeping the black man enslaved and bombing churches and turning fire hoses and dogs on peaceful black protesters.

Disgusting.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Case in point ^^^

She actually believes that it was those evil Republicans that were keeping the black man enslaved and bombing churches and turning fire hoses and dogs on peaceful black protesters.

Disgusting.

As far as the board is concerned it's one of the most severe cases of disassociation from reality since LT.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Quite true. The Democrats of the KKK were very much OK with taking the "law" as they saw it into their own hands.

By the way, don't even try to falsely assert that those old Southern racists "switched sides" in response to the Republicans passing the Civil Rights act.

Voter roles and voting patterns put the lie to that with extreme prejudice. It isn't even debatable, despite that being consistently taught by the bigots of low expectations that work for the publicly funded indoctrination centers of the left in the academic industrial complex.

You can see though why such wrong-headed ideas are easily able to take hold: when you spend 20 trillion dollars of public money indoctrinating the populiace during their more formative years you do get a certain amount of bang for your advertising dollar.

You said that the left was violent but you give an example of former right wing, racist Democrats who morphed into right wing racist Republicans. Are we talking about the left or Democrats?

 

[nowisthetime]

Case in point ^^^

She actually believes that it was those evil Republicans that were keeping the black man enslaved and bombing churches and turning fire hoses and dogs on peaceful black protesters.

Disgusting.

Did I say Republicans? I said the RIGHT. There IS a difference, dear.


Please stop being condescending and patronizing, Que.

Furthermore, you and I know that the Republicans of today were not cut from the same cloth as the ones of yesteryear.

I know you don't think much about women, but please, I know a little bit more history than you think.

You see, once Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he proclaimed,

"We have lost the South for a generation."

He was right, many of those former Democrats leapt over to the GOP Party, you know, with Nixon's "Southern Strategy" wink wink.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Wow, such bullshit.

I've noticed Trumptards have adopted the Dumpster's habit of just making up reality as they go along. He does it, so why can't we?

Let's break it down.

1. The Intel Agencies had nothing to do with "constructing" the dossier. Not one thing. Evidence? Proof? It was written by Christopher Steele, in the UK. Only after it was done did he turn it over to the FBI, disturbed by what he was discovering.

2. No one from the Intel Agencies or the DOJ has ever claimed it is "legitimate official intelligence." Got any proof of anyone saying that? They have never said it's anything but what it is--a dossier written by Chris Steele. They have never said it's verified, or unverified.

3. The dossier was not presented to a FISA Court Judge "in order to unmask and spy on a political opponent."

It was included among a huge mass of other evidence and findings to obtain a FISA warrant on a suspected Russian spy, Carter Page, who already had been being investigated for months.

No one was "unmasked."

Getting a legal warrant to monitor a suspected Russian spy in America is not "spying on a political opponent."

4. All of this was done BEFORE the 2016 election, so couldn't have possibly been motivated to "upset the results of a presidential election."

You are a cult member. You have absorbed the cult leader's lies into what's left of your brain and are regurgitating them out like a robot, believing them. Trump is tweeting your brain into your head.

The same intelligence agencies run by Brennan, Clapper, and Comey,who with the DOJ, conspired to construct a false dossier with information developed from Russian sources, claim it to be legitimate official intelligence, present it to a FISA Court Judge, in order to unmask and spy on a political opponent in order to upset the results of a presidential election.

He should trust them about as far as he can throw the USS Harry S. Truman. He should appoint a Special Prosecutor to root them all out, try them for conspiracy against the United States and Sedition, and have them executed on the National Mall.

 

[Que]

You said that the left was violent but you give an example of former right wing, racist Democrats who morphed into right wing racist Republicans. Are we talking about the left or Democrats?

What you just said didn't happen. As I just explained.

That myth is based on the so-called southern strategy campaign. That might have helped some Republicans on a national scale but when you look at actual local races, the same Democrats remained on the Democrat rolls and they continue to wrote vote for the same Democrats in the office that they always had so who are these mythical individuals who suddenly became Republicans? It would have to be actual people who actually went down and either change their voting registration to Republican or at the very least started voting Republican. Since neither of those things happened... that's a myth. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat the myth it still doesn't make it true.

The only thing the more thing that happened was the racist Democrats who didn't suddenly have a come-to-jesus moment and decide that black people were there equals decided instead to pander to black people. This turned out to be an effective strategy especially in large big blue cities where they could use patronage jobs and actual Cash Money bribed to various black pastors to get out the black vote.

The actual Democrat racist before the Civil Rights Act were still the same human beings still voting Democrat still registered as for Democrats and still serving in office as Democrats. Nothing changed.

No matter what your white leftist professors told you.

 

[Pookie]

Is that why you went I to hiding, Vette? Because of 45 year old personell records of you handing out cans of creamed corn in Vietnam?

Likely more about the salad tossing. *nods*

 

[Luk]

Remind him there is only one legal definition of treason and it's in Article III Section III of the Constitution.

Why do you care? You're the least patriotic American here.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

What you just said didn't happen. As I just explained.

That myth is based on the so-called southern strategy campaign. That might have helped some Republicans on a national scale but when you look at actual local races, the same Democrats remained on the Democrat rolls and they continue to wrote vote for the same Democrats in the office that they always had so who are these mythical individuals who suddenly became Republicans? It would have to be actual people who actually went down and either change their voting registration to Republican or at the very least started voting Republican. Since neither of those things happened... that's a myth. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat the myth it still doesn't make it true.

The only thing the more thing that happened was the racist Democrats who didn't suddenly have a come-to-jesus moment and decide that black people were there equals decided instead to pander to black people. This turned out to be an effective strategy especially in large big blue cities where they could use patronage jobs and actual Cash Money bribed to various black pastors to get out the black vote.

The actual Democrat racist before the Civil Rights Act were still the same human beings still voting Democrat still registered as for Democrats and still serving in office as Democrats. Nothing changed.

No matter what your white leftist professors told you.

yeah, o.k.

 

[about_average]

Another question. Where is the evidence the Russians hacked the DNC or Hillary's campaign? Where are the hard drives and the servers that were allegedly hacked?

I see you're posting out of ignorance again. When you're doing digital forensics you don't remove the hard drives, or even shut down the computer for any reason because you'll likely loose evidence.

Barack Obama told the American people he told Putin to "knock it off" and claimed he did. He also said it was impossible for a foreign actor to alter or corrupt the American voting system.

You're using Obama's technological ignorance as an argument?

The main reason that I tend to read and listen to the opinions of GB conservative posters -but for people like coachDB- is that most of them win, thumbs up the debate part. They tend to bring logic and supporting facts to the debate.

The logic of, "everyone does it, so what's the big deal?"

Kinda like Trump's logic, "Sure Russia does bad things," (when asked about Putin's political murders) "but so have we. Are we so much better?"

No doubt you admire that too.

But their other comments made sense too: given that Russia and the US hold 90% of the World's nuke powers, and that they Could be advantageous to each other economically too, wouldn't be better if they forgot the ugly past and collaborated and worked towards peace?

Yeah, I agree. I've always been pissed that Roosevelt and congress didn't take that tact on Dec 8, 1941.

Or Bush after 9-11.

"Now now, let bygones be bygones, we need to work with Japan to the mutual benefit of all."
"Now now, let bygones be bygones, we need to work with the Taliban to the mutual benefit of all."

Once great?

It's still great....it's so fucking awesome not even the haters will get the fuck out.

Have you forgotten that Trump's main campaign theme was that the US was not great?

All I'm sayin' is, if you're a 'Pub Prez and you lost this motherfucker:

https://image.ibb.co/iPdGKJ/IMG_1185.jpg

you know you done fucked up.

I liked his "The Smoker you Drink, the Player You Get album.

https://www.wfmu.org/Playlists/HT/06/10/joe_walsh.jpg

In my opinion, calling what we saw of the summit “treasonous” is theatrical.

If you accept cyberwar is an actual thing, which the US government does, we're at war with Russia if we use the US government's definitions of cyberwar. So it was treasonous.

 

[Luk]

I can't believe that idiots are trying to redefine war when it comes to Russia hacking our elections. You can't even steal signs in baseball, ffs

 

[about_average]

Under Obama in 2015 the Office of Personnel Management was hacked by foreign actors and 21 million personnel files of Americans who've worked for the government were accessed. This includes foreign agents of the United States government, the names, employment data, and private data on every American who has ever been granted a security clearance, federal retirees, and present employees. All of that and hardly a word of outrage directed at Barack Obama by the major media.

That could be because: Obama never said it didn't happen.
Never said the investigation was a "republican witch hunt".
He never met with Xi Jinping and said it was the US's fault and he didn't believe China was behind it.

Oh, and Obama isn't president of the US.

That myth is based on the so-called southern strategy campaign. That might have helped some Republicans on a national scale but when you look at actual local races, the same Democrats remained on the Democrat rolls and they continue to wrote vote for the same Democrats in the office that they always had so who are these mythical individuals who suddenly became Republicans? It would have to be actual people who actually went down and either change their voting registration to Republican or at the very least started voting Republican. Since neither of those things happened... that's a myth. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat the myth it still doesn't make it true.

Wow! I'm impressed you found the time to examine all the southern voter rolls since the 40's.