Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

[My I]

Jesus wept - the article cites that as the original 'source' of what people think about gun violence ... and then goes on to utterly refute that claim. Did you actually READ it? It's longer than the first paragraph.

LOL That quote was from near the bottom of the page. Not the first paragraph. You should give up. You have contributed NOTHING of any value to the discussion except attempted character assassination. You STILL can't address the basic point of my original post and this entire thread, even though I have repeated it a dozen times. And none of this concerns you anyway, so SOD OFF.

 

[KimGordon67]

LOL That quote was from near the bottom of the page. Not the first paragraph. You should give up. You have contributed NOTHING of any value to the discussion except attempted character assassination. You STILL can't address the basic point of my original post and this entire thread, even though I have repeated it a dozen times. And none of this concerns you anyway, so SOD OFF.

Ah - no. That quote is from the third paragraph. The article goes on for a few screens beyond that.

And I really don't think you're in a position to be calling people out for 'character assassination'. I'm only pointing out that your strident assertions are a little problematic when they're based on fundamental misunderstandings of the evidence on which you're relying, and then followed up by your refusal to admit that you did misunderstand something.

 

[My I]

And as I have said that stats don't correlate ANYWHERE. The only way to take them is on the basis of comparing different countries states and cities and when you do you find exceptions and anomalies everywhere.

So address the basic point. Can you? Do you know what it is?

Throw up a couple dozen more posts. I have to go to work. If I have time the next time I sit down at the computer I'll certainly try to answer them all. IF you answer MY basic question that you keep avoiding.

 

[KimGordon67]

And as I have said that stats don't correlate ANYWHERE. The only way to take them is on the basis of comparing different countries states and cities and when you do you find exceptions and anomalies everywhere.

So address the basic point. Can you? Do you know what it is?

Throw up a couple dozen more posts. I have to go to work. If I have time the next time I sit down at the computer I'll certainly try to answer them all. IF you answer MY basic question that you keep avoiding.

If you're referring to your OP, I haven't 'avoided' it - it's just been adequately addressed by numerous other people. I can't see any point in repeating things others have already said.

 

[KimGordon67]

And as I have said that stats don't correlate ANYWHERE. The only way to take them is on the basis of comparing different countries states and cities and when you do you find exceptions and anomalies everywhere.

So address the basic point. Can you? Do you know what it is?

Throw up a couple dozen more posts. I have to go to work. If I have time the next time I sit down at the computer I'll certainly try to answer them all. IF you answer MY basic question that you keep avoiding.

Also, you saying the stats don't correlate anywhere doesn't make it so. I just gave you links to research demonstrating correlation between levels of gun ownership and increased homicide rates, if you control for other variables.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Clearly there is a correlation between gun prevalence and both homicide and suicide effectiveness.

Duhh....

The real question is what can we do as a society to reduce those death tolls??

And no, banning "assault weapons" wont do shit because the concept is fucking idiotic and we aren't about to get rid of 2A so there is not going to be any search and seizure of all weapons in the US, not without a fucking blood bath.

SO...what are we going to do?

I personally think people control (as opposed to gun control) via training and shall issue 50 state licensing would be a good start.

 

[StrangerDuJour]

No fire-arms listed in the 1791 edition of the Shooter's Bible or for which a patent had been approved in 1791 should be seized whem we come-after-your-guns and pry them from your itchy gnarled fingers.

 

[Captainnumnuts]

So the OP's thread has resumed it's original intent I assume?

Kudos to all! Not that hard when you play by the rules is it?

Everyone should play nice before somebody gets hurt.


I'll stick to the cards this time.

I'm Captainnumnuts. <<<<<<<<<< Look! I got it right this time!

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Ok. I'm going to make one more "shot" (interesting choice of words) at enlightening the blind.

Guns ARE regulated just as much as dynamite and explosive fertilizers. You cannot just walk into a store and lay down some 20s and walk out with a gun. You cannot go to a gunshow and lay down some 20s and walk out with a gun. There is a three page form you have to fill out and show valid photo ID. That information is IMMEDIATELY run through NICS and a response is returned within 20 min either authorizing the purchase or denying it. If it is denied, there is no sale.

The Parkland shooter bought his gun "legally" because the Sheriff failed to add pertinent information to the NCIC database that the NICS uses for that background check. You want to blame someone??? Blame that Sheriff and the FBI agents that were WARNED and did NOTHING.

Yet some people get dynamite illegally and some get fertilizer illegally and some get guns illegally.

PUNISH THE FUCKING CRIMINALS!!!!​

How fucking hard is that for you to understand??? YOU are the one being obtuse. In America we DO NOT punish the innocent. That is one of the basic principles this country is founded on.

Just less than 2% of ALL murders last year were by rifles IN GENERAL. That includes bolt action, lever action, pump action, single shot and muzzle loaders as well as semi-autos. There were FIVE TIMES MORE murders in this country by KNIFE.

11 children in this country die EVERY SINGLE DAY in traffic accidents caused by cell phone use. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY!!!! But you don't WANT to regulate THAT, do you?

Who is being obtuse??? You might want to look that word up because I don't think it means what YOU think it means.

FYI

obtuse
1 lacking sharpness of edge or point

Synonyms of obtuse
blunt, blunted, dull, dulled

not having or showing an ability to absorb ideas readily
Forgive me for being obtuse, but could you explain that to me again?
Synonyms of obtuse
brain-dead, brainless, dense, doltish, dopey (also dopy), dorky [slang], dull, dumb, fatuous, half-witted, mindless, oafish, opaque, pinheaded, senseless, simple, slow, stupid, thick, thickheaded, unintelligent, vacuous, weak-minded, witless

 

[phrodeau]

I'm sure that these were all done by sober, law-abiding citizens.

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[Carnal_Flower]

I 100% agree with this. And I'm pissed that I did not hear the words "gun license" during the March.

I personally think people control (and gun control) via training and shall issue 50 state licensing would be a good start.

 

[coachdb18]

An open question to the anti-gun lefties who continue their laborious (shall we say wrong?) rant that the 2nd amendment only applies as it pertains to a state run militia:

Why would the Founding Fathers state the right 'Shall not be infringed', if they actually meant for the right to only apply to the participation in a state run militia? Who would they have been referring to? If no one was allowed to own and bear arms (a gun) in their own right, are we supposed to believe they were warning the People not to infringe, unarmed, on the rights of the militia? If the founders intended for the people to be unarmed, who were they saying they should not infringe on? Essentially how do liberals align both the statement that the right shall not be infringed with their contention it's only a right of the militia in the first place?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

If the Founding Father simply wanted to claim an individual right to bear arms, the 2nd Amendment would say: "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed."

An open question to the anti-gun lefties who continue their laborious (shall we say wrong?) rant that the 2nd amendment only applies as it pertains to a state run militia:

Why would the Founding Fathers state the right 'Shall not be infringed', if they actually meant for the right to only apply to the participation in a state run militia? Who would they have been referring to? If no one was allowed to own and bear arms (a gun) in their own right, are we supposed to believe they were warning the People not to infringe, unarmed, on the rights of the militia? If the founders intended for the people to be unarmed, who were they saying they should not infringe on? Essentially how do liberals align both the statement that the right shall not be infringed with their contention it's only a right of the militia in the first place?

 

[zotique]

Where I live you can have rifles and shotguns and handguns if you pass certain criteria established by federal law and possess a possession and acquisition permit. You get that by applying to the RCMP after taking a firearms safety course course and a practical and written exam.

There is an added level of education and examination required for a "restricted" endorsement of the permit.

Handguns are only permitted to be taken from the home to a federally approved range and back. In the home they must be securely locked in a container.

30 round magazines are prohibited devices and all semi auto rifles must have mags pinned to five rounds.

Why don't you try that in the U.S.?

Or is there a clause in the 2nd Amendment guaranteeing you the right to have 30-round mags?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I 100% agree with this. And I'm pissed that I did not hear the words "gun license" during the March.

That's because the marches are about banning and using kids to get people feeling good about demonstrating to have their rights taken away.

And clearly you don't agree otherwise you'd not manipulated it.

If the Founding Father simply wanted to claim an individual right to bear arms, the 2nd Amendment would say: "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed."

It says almost exactly that.

Your bullshit about a comma making "the right of the people" somehow....by some magical grammer rule that ONLY exist for 2A makes it really mean the right of the state run militia is a FANTASY that you and only a few fringe whack jobs like Hypoxias illiterate ass share.

Everyone else that's not a hysterical foaming at the mouth prohibitionist read "the right of the people" to indicate an individual right, not a right of the state to dole out to people as a privilege.

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[coachdb18]

Where I live you can have rifles and shotguns and handguns if you pass certain criteria established by federal law and possess a possession and acquisition permit. You get that by applying to the RCMP after taking a firearms safety course course and a practical and written exam.

There is an added level of education and examination required for a "restricted" endorsement of the permit.

Handguns are only permitted to be taken from the home to a federally approved range and back. In the home they must be securely locked in a container.

30 round magazines are prohibited devices and all semi auto rifles must have mags pinned to five rounds.

Why don't you try that in the U.S.?

Or is there a clause in the 2nd Amendment guaranteeing you the right to have 30-round mags?

We're free in the US, and the right to own a gun does not come from a permission dispensed by the government. It is an inherent right, not a subservient one.

 

[mark_j]

If the Founding Father simply wanted to claim an individual right to bear arms, the 2nd Amendment would say: "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed."

Does the "right of the people" in the 2A mean something different than the "right of the people" in all other amendments where it is mentioned?

Please clarify that..

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why don't you try that in the U.S.?

Or is there a clause in the 2nd Amendment guaranteeing you the right to have 30-round mags?

It's just a stupid fucking thing like banning 'assault' weapons without banning and confiscating all semi-auto everything.

If you're not going to ban them and go around confiscating them all up....which can't be done then you're not doing much of anything except creating grey/black markets and shitting on the law abiding.

 

[zotique]

We're free in the US, and the right to own a gun does not come from a permission dispensed by the government. It is an inherent right, not a subservient one.

You’re “free’ all right. So free you can get shot by a little kid.

By September 29 last year 43 people were shot by a child under the age of 4. On average, someone gets shot by an American toddler a little more frequently than once a week.

Must be nice.

 

[coachdb18]

You’re “free’ all right. So free you can get shot by a little kid.

By September 29 last year 43 people were shot by a child under the age of 4. On average, someone gets shot by an American toddler a little more frequently than once a week.

Must be nice.

Yea, toddlers here are totally badass, and we live in constant fear of them (LOL). It's such a momentous threat, we're gonna run right out and repeal our entire Constitution....

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I 50% agree.

I'm with you on gun licenses and people control. I'm also for gun control.

If you don't want to ban certain weapons, fine. Then take them out of mini-malls and off the web and gun shows. Sell them in tightly controlled venues. Make them hard to get for anyone who's a nut, and strictly limit their appearance in public spaces. Anything less and you're a baby killer.

A gun is a gun. It's not a penis and it's not a "right." It's a metal stick that kills people.

That's because the marches are about banning and using kids to get people feeling good about demonstrating to have their rights taken away.

And clearly you don't agree otherwise you'd not manipulated it.



It says almost exactly that.

Your bullshit about a comma making "the right of the people" somehow....by some magical grammer rule that ONLY exist for 2A makes it really mean the right of the state run militia is a FANTASY that you and only a few fringe whack jobs like Hypoxias illiterate ass share.

Everyone else that's not a hysterical foaming at the mouth prohibitionist read "the right of the people" to indicate an individual right, not a right of the state to dole out to people as a privilege.

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[dan_c00000]

If you're not going to ban them and go around confiscating them all up....which can't be done then you're not doing much of anything except creating grey/black markets and shitting on the law abiding.

Your hero the Orange Nazi said he'd take away your guns.

There was a black market for Levi's jeans in the USSR.

 

[phrodeau]

Yea, toddlers here are totally badass, and we live in constant fear of them (LOL). It's such a momentous threat, we're gonna run right out and repeal our entire Constitution....

That's the closest thing to a serious discussion I've seen you make.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I 50% agree.

I'm with you on gun licenses and people control. I'm also for gun control.

If you have people control there is no need for gun control.

The fact that we don't have a machine gun, destructive device, tank or Jet fighter problem despite their being totally legal to own is all the evidence needed to back my case.

Anything less and you're a baby killer.

No people who kill babies are baby killers......and no amount of your feelings will change that because facts> feelz.

People who supports civil rights including both the right of free people to arm themselves, the right to freedom of speech as well as religion, things you openly hate and denounce, are American patriots.
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A gun is a gun. It's not a penis and it's not a "right." It's a metal stick that kills people.

Ownership of guns is a right....no matter how badly you want to stamp your feet and pretend otherwise.

Nobody said it was a penis and it's a machine, not a stick.

Your hero....

You can't even get two words out without being a blatant liar can you?

You're as bad as RacistDownSouth.

 

[phrodeau]

The Second Amendment says specifically that people can keep and bear arms. That's not the same as owning them.