How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[phrodeau]

That's assuming it's really his tomb, he didn't die in the wilderness or some manner where his body was not recovered, he died in the same town, the tomb wasn't used for someone else in the family and that it really happened. Lot of assumptions.
Nobody knows what happened to him and it doesn't much matter. He wasn't the point of the story.

What Jesus resurrects stays resurrected, doesn't it? I sure think it would be important to know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Jew

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

What Jesus resurrects stays resurrected, doesn't it? I sure think it would be important to know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_Jew

The wandering jew isn't someone supposedly resurrected and isn't even in the Bible. I don't recall anything saying that about Jesus but I don't have the Bible memorized either.

 

[Que]

Just because there were times when Jesus taught in Parables doesn't mean that everything He taught was in Parables. When He uses proper names, He is referring to real events. Parables don't use proper names. The rich man and Lazarus was a real event.

What was the rich man's proper name?

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

What was the rich man's proper name?

Donald something or other.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

What was the rich man's proper name?

it doesn't matter what his name is. Jesus uses lazarus's proper name and Abraham's proper name. He never says that this is not a real event. It is an actual event.

 

[Que]

it doesn't matter what his name is. Jesus uses lazarus's proper name and Abraham's proper name. He never says that this is not a real event. It is an actual event.

So he was consistant, despite the obvious inconsistency here. Got it. Your rule of thumb applies to discerning which are and are not real life events depending on which ones you say are real life events.

Speaking of proper names why would you choose Frodo Baggins? I thought you religious zealots eschewed fanciful, magical characters.

 

[phrodeau]

The wandering jew isn't someone supposedly resurrected and isn't even in the Bible. I don't recall anything saying that about Jesus but I don't have the Bible memorized either.

Non-responsive.

When God brings the dead to life, do they stay alive forever after or not?

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Non-responsive.

When God brings the dead to life, do they stay alive forever after or not?

I responded to it. I said I don't recall the Bible saying anything about that but am not sure. And how would anyone know anyway? Far as I know Lazarus is the only example and he's only mentioned one other time. It's an unanswerable question to my knowledge.

 

[phrodeau]

I responded to it. I said I don't recall the Bible saying anything about that but am not sure. And how would anyone know anyway? Far as I know Lazarus is the only example and he's only mentioned one other time. It's an unanswerable question to my knowledge.

There are several resurrections in the New Testament.

The son of a widow in Nain, Luke 7:11-17.

The daughter of Jairus, Luke 8:52-56.

Lazarus of Bethany, John 11:38-44.

Many saints in Jerusalem, Matthew 27:52-53.

Jesus, Mark 16:9

Tabitha, Acts 9:36-41

Eutychus, Acts 20:9-12

Jairus and his daughter were instructed not to talk about their experience, but the saints in Jerusalem met with "many" afterward, as did Jesus.

He was particularly chatty, since we know exactly what Jesus prayed at Gethsemane when everyone else was sleeping. I wonder which journalist asked about that. But nobody thought to ask Jesus or those other ex-corpses what death was like.

Christians want to believe that Jesus still lives, and never died a second time. But all those other folks must have eventually died, with no chronicle of their passing.

It all seems rather fictional.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

There are several resurrections in the New Testament.

The son of a widow in Nain, Luke 7:11-17.

The daughter of Jairus, Luke 8:52-56.

Lazarus of Bethany, John 11:38-44.

Many saints in Jerusalem, Matthew 27:52-53.

Jesus, Mark 16:9

Tabitha, Acts 9:36-41

Eutychus, Acts 20:9-12

Jairus and his daughter were instructed not to talk about their experience, but the saints in Jerusalem met with "many" afterward, as did Jesus.

He was particularly chatty, since we know exactly what Jesus prayed at Gethsemane when everyone else was sleeping. I wonder which journalist asked about that. But nobody thought to ask Jesus or those other ex-corpses what death was like.

Christians want to believe that Jesus still lives, and never died a second time. But all those other folks must have eventually died, with no chronicle of their passing.

It all seems rather fictional.

Ok so what's the point? You think it's fictional. Faith is an individual matter as I've said before. Do you think you're the first person to point out inconsistencies in the Bible? It's a book. Some believe every word, some think it's almost entirely parable and some don't believe a single word of it or even that Jesus ever existed. Not exactly news.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So he was consistant, despite the obvious inconsistency here. Got it. Your rule of thumb applies to discerning which are and are not real life events depending on which ones you say are real life events.

Speaking of proper names why would you choose Frodo Baggins? I thought you religious zealots eschewed fanciful, magical characters.

Illogical as usual. He wasn't being inconsistant. He used proper names for Abraham and Lazarus. He didn't use one for the Rich man. The fact that He used them for Abraham and Lazarus shows that it's not a parable. I chose Frodo Baggins because Frodo bare the burden of the ring, I bare the burden of the Gospel.

 

[phrodeau]

Illogical as usual. He wasn't being inconsistant. He used proper names for Abraham and Lazarus. He didn't use one for the Rich man. The fact that He used them for Abraham and Lazarus shows that it's not a parable. I chose Frodo Baggins because Frodo bare the burden of the ring, I bare the burden of the Gospel.

Need any help to chuck it into a volcano?

 

[Que]

Illogical as usual. He wasn't being inconsistant. He used proper names for Abraham and Lazarus. He didn't use one for the Rich man. The fact that He used them for Abraham and Lazarus shows that it's not a parable. I chose Frodo Baggins because Frodo bare the burden of the ring, I bare the burden of the Gospel.

The gospel is a burden?

That is the opposite of what Christ taught. You have latched onto the gospel not to relieve your own burdens but as a vehicle for your persecution complex and fantasies.

I can't imagine anybody being attracted to the gospel from your "ministry."

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The gospel is a burden?

That is the opposite of what Christ taught. You have latched onto the gospel not to relieve your own burdens but as a vehicle for your persecution complex and fantasies.

I can't imagine anybody being attracted to the gospel from your "ministry."

Yes it is a burden to deal with the likes of you, but it doesn't bother me because I have the truth on my side. What I am presenting is what's actually biblical.

 

[Que]

Yes it is a burden to deal with the likes of you, but it doesn't bother me because I have the truth on my side. What I am presenting is what's actually biblical.

You keep saying that to excuse your unChristian approach to seeking confrontation. The gospel is love. You exhibit none of that. I recognize my part in feeding your trolling but I find it quite offensive that you use the gospel to fantasize about being persecuted, when actual followers of Christ have been actually persecuted and killed for the gospel

I can't imagine the Savior referring to anyone as "the likes of you."

 

[Tryharder62]

Interesting topic. All the others but Jesus were resurrected into their same bodies. Not the glorious whole bodies we will have in eternity.

Lazarus was not resurrected in his glorified body. He was simply resurrected. Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:20, 23; Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5) - meaning he was the first raised in a glorified body (1 Cor. 15:42-44). Jesus retained the crucifixion wounds (John 20:27) and was able to appear in rooms (John 20:26) - demonstrating that he was in his resurrected, glorified body. Remember, Lazarus had been raised from the dead by Jesus (John 11:43; 12:1) and is presumed to have died since the chief priests plotted to kill him (John 12:10). Also, Jesus was raised after Lazarus, but only Jesus is called the first-fruits and first-born from the dead (Rom. 8:29; Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5). Therefore, the term ‘first-fruits’ signifies Jesus’ resurrected, glorified body - something that Lazarus didn’t have.

 

[phrodeau]

Interesting topic. All the others but Jesus were resurrected into their same bodies. Not the glorious whole bodies we will have in eternity.

Lazarus was not resurrected in his glorified body. He was simply resurrected. Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:20, 23; Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5) - meaning he was the first raised in a glorified body (1 Cor. 15:42-44). Jesus retained the crucifixion wounds (John 20:27) and was able to appear in rooms (John 20:26) - demonstrating that he was in his resurrected, glorified body. Remember, Lazarus had been raised from the dead by Jesus (John 11:43; 12:1) and is presumed to have died since the chief priests plotted to kill him (John 12:10). Also, Jesus was raised after Lazarus, but only Jesus is called the first-fruits and first-born from the dead (Rom. 8:29; Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5). Therefore, the term ‘first-fruits’ signifies Jesus’ resurrected, glorified body - something that Lazarus didn’t have.

Your assumption is entirely based on wishful thinking.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Interesting topic. All the others but Jesus were resurrected into their same bodies. Not the glorious whole bodies we will have in eternity.

Lazarus was not resurrected in his glorified body. He was simply resurrected. Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:20, 23; Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5) - meaning he was the first raised in a glorified body (1 Cor. 15:42-44). Jesus retained the crucifixion wounds (John 20:27) and was able to appear in rooms (John 20:26) - demonstrating that he was in his resurrected, glorified body. Remember, Lazarus had been raised from the dead by Jesus (John 11:43; 12:1) and is presumed to have died since the chief priests plotted to kill him (John 12:10). Also, Jesus was raised after Lazarus, but only Jesus is called the first-fruits and first-born from the dead (Rom. 8:29; Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5). Therefore, the term ‘first-fruits’ signifies Jesus’ resurrected, glorified body - something that Lazarus didn’t have.

My problems with such is why would be need bodies? Doesn't seem like one is needed. Of course any afterlife is a guess so maybe we do need bodies because we really do end up in mansions with streets made of gold or whatever it's supposed to be. I never bought into that tho. But maybe a soul needs a body to survive and we get a new and improved model after death.
Interesting to think about, impossible to answer. I kind of think it's all mental and we are simply content for all eternity. Aware but unconcerned and happy. That or the void. Either one works.

 

[phrodeau]

My problems with such is why would be need bodies? Doesn't seem like one is needed. Of course any afterlife is a guess so maybe we do need bodies because we really do end up in mansions with streets made of gold or whatever it's supposed to be. I never bought into that tho. But maybe a soul needs a body to survive and we get a new and improved model after death.
Interesting to think about, impossible to answer. I kind of think it's all mental and we are simply content for all eternity. Aware but unconcerned and happy. That or the void. Either one works.

Jesus got a body, so we all should get bodies.

Jesus still had his wounds, so we all will have our wounds. No chance of growing back that gall bladder or having perky breasts again.

Will there be pacemaker batteries in Heaven? If not, can I send some to my Uncle Floyd, and which address should I use?

 

[Tryharder62]

Your assumption is entirely based on wishful thinking.

I looked up wishful and it said: having or expressing a desire or hope for something to happen.
So yes, I have hope that I get from the bible.

My problems with such is why would be need bodies? Doesn't seem like one is needed. Of course any afterlife is a guess so maybe we do need bodies because we really do end up in mansions with streets made of gold or whatever it's supposed to be. I never bought into that tho. But maybe a soul needs a body to survive and we get a new and improved model after death.
Interesting to think about, impossible to answer. I kind of think it's all mental and we are simply content for all eternity. Aware but unconcerned and happy. That or the void. Either one works.

It is interesting to think about. I see what you are saying. I have never been dead so I don't know. Lol I think about it as having our body free from disease and problems. What that will actually look like I don't know.

 

[Tryharder62]

Jesus got a body, so we all should get bodies.

Jesus still had his wounds, so we all will have our wounds. No chance of growing back that gall bladder or having perky breasts again.

Will there be pacemaker batteries in Heaven? If not, can I send some to my Uncle Floyd, and which address should I use?

2 Corinthians 5:1-10 talks about our new body. I'm thinking our bodies will be better. If you try to send batteries I would send rechargeable ones. I heard there is a constant power source. Get it:

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Interesting topic. All the others but Jesus were resurrected into their same bodies. Not the glorious whole bodies we will have in eternity.

Lazarus was not resurrected in his glorified body. He was simply resurrected. Jesus was the firstfruits of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:20, 23; Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5) - meaning he was the first raised in a glorified body (1 Cor. 15:42-44). Jesus retained the crucifixion wounds (John 20:27) and was able to appear in rooms (John 20:26) - demonstrating that he was in his resurrected, glorified body. Remember, Lazarus had been raised from the dead by Jesus (John 11:43; 12:1) and is presumed to have died since the chief priests plotted to kill him (John 12:10). Also, Jesus was raised after Lazarus, but only Jesus is called the first-fruits and first-born from the dead (Rom. 8:29; Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5). Therefore, the term ‘first-fruits’ signifies Jesus’ resurrected, glorified body - something that Lazarus didn’t have.

Interesting post. Yes, Lazarus was raised from the dead, but he wasn't resurrected. When someone is raised from the dead, they die again and decompose, ect. When someone is resurrected, they never die again and never decompose again, ect. Jesus was the first person to be resurrected. You are right, but you are saying it different. But after Jesus resurrected, many others also who were dead and buried came out of the graves and were also possibly resurrected. Good job on the theology there. When Christians are raptured, they will receive their glorified bodies as well.

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

It is very likely that when Christ ascended to heaven that they went with Him, but there is no further comment on what happened to them.

 

[phrodeau]

Interesting post. Yes, Lazarus was raised from the dead, but he wasn't resurrected. When someone is raised from the dead, they die again and decompose, ect. When someone is resurrected, they never die again and never decompose again, ect. Jesus was the first person to be resurrected. You are right, but you are saying it different. But after Jesus resurrected, many others also who were dead and buried came out of the graves and were also possibly resurrected. Good job on the theology there. When Christians are raptured, they will receive their glorified bodies as well.

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

It is very likely that when Christ ascended to heaven that they went with Him, but there is no further comment on what happened to them.

Resurrection means being brought back to life.

If you want a different term for what happened to Jesus, you'll need to invent one. You seem to be good at inventing things.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Resurrection means being brought back to life.

If you want a different term for what happened to Jesus, you'll need to invent one. You seem to be good at inventing things.

Raised From the Dead and Resurrected

by Pastor Matthew Norville, Sr.

http://www.bccmnm.org/webpages/Raised_From_the_Dead_and_Resurrected.html

 

[phrodeau]

Raised From the Dead and Resurrected

by Pastor Matthew Norville, Sr.

http://www.bccmnm.org/webpages/Raised_From_the_Dead_and_Resurrected.html

That is not based on the Bible. Did you add something to your Biblical belief system?