Why the $15 minimum wage will cost California 400,000 jobs

[BotanyBoy]

No, that's what happens when us lefties fail to fight hard enough for the rest of you.

Wouldn't have to, and nearly always failing to do so, if you just let people get their own hustle on.

It's amazing how well people manage do when the super state isn't leaning on them all the time in as many ways as possible.

Why are you so opposed to letting people make money?

What is it about the free exchange of goods and services so offensive to you?

 

[Sean Renaud]

The myth that you could get your hustle on is the first thing that must be utterly destroyed. Dont' tell the kids, but no adult should buy that bullshit. It's not amazing what people manage when they aren't being leaned on, every country on earth shows that absolutely false.

I'm not opposed to people making money. I want people making money which means we have to get people moving.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The myth that you could get your hustle on is the first thing that must be utterly destroyed.

How is that a myth?

The government prosecutes people for doing just that all day every day man.

You regularly advocate laws to PREVENT people from doing it, leftism openly denounces the practice and socialism is a governmental embodiment of the lefts desire to prevent that myth.

I'm not opposed to people making money.

Said the leftist....LOL

I want people making money which means we have to get people moving.

Then you should want more people able to participate in the exchanging of goods and services. Because that is how money is made.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You think money is made. See you keep believing in all these legends that are provably false. Show me the rich in Etheopia oh wait, you know that doesn't happen and bring it up all the time. Because you know the game, which makes me wonder why you sabotage it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You think money is made.

How is it not?

See you keep believing in all these legends that are provably false.

And you keep failing to explain how something we do all the time, happens EVERY DAY in your neighborhood and mine, is provably false.

Show me the rich in Etheopia oh wait, you know that doesn't happen and bring it up all the time.

Ethiopia and their inability to exchange goods and services for profit is irrelevant to the discussion of how money is distributed in the USA.

Because you know the game, which makes me wonder why you sabotage it.

Yea, I produce goods and services, people give me their money in exchange for them and doing it without the government shutting me down.

That's the game, the hustle, and it's everywhere.

I'm not sabotaging it, deep end leftist are with their hatred of making money and the people who do it better than they do are.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Money doesn't even exist, it's just points on the score board. Everybody knows this, that's why at the end of the day what's important is us agreeing how to count, not whether it's dollars or sea shells.

No it doesn't happen, not in my neighborhood, not in yours. Not ever on any place on this planet has such a thing ever actually happened. That is a lie we tell each other to justify being dicks.

No, you produce someone else goods in 90% of cases and they under pay you because you've bought into a myth.

Yes, you are sabotaging it and we could be so much greater than we are. The left loves making money. This idea that they don't is part of why we keep failing.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Money doesn't even exist, it's just points on the score board. Everybody knows this, that's why at the end of the day what's important is us agreeing how to count, not whether it's dollars or sea shells.

Yes I'm familiar with the concept of currency exchange being nothing more than an idea.

But ideas are real enough to change the course of human events, as money has done many times.

No it doesn't happen, not in my neighborhood, not in yours. Not ever on any place on this planet has such a thing ever actually happened.

Dude....people exchange goods and services all day every day.

Go to any store and watch it happen at the register.

I just did it not 2 hours ago.

You do every time you buy something, or go to work.

No, you produce someone else goods in 90% of cases and they under pay you because you've bought into a myth.

It's not a myth, in 100% of cases of employment you're exchanging your time/service for the money you and your employer think your time and services are worth.

Why is that so terrible to you?

Yes, you are sabotaging it and we could be so much greater than we are.

How?

I agree, if we could get back to making money instead of thinking of ways to keep people from making money.

The left loves making money.

Since when??? The left loves confiscating money....not the same thing.

Their entire philosophy is to DESTROY the very concept of monetary exchange in the first place.

This idea that they don't is part of why we keep failing.

No...the fact that you don't is why you keep failing.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The idea that ideas are powerful doesn't make them physical. I've been to the store, but the people who exchanged goods and services weren't in the room and haven't been for sometime. You're not exchanging goods with the cashier, but with the WALTONS. And they aren't exchanging services with you but with the WALTONS.

And no, you only do it if whatever work you do actually turns a profit. Which is utterly beside the point that you'd make less if the government hadn't stepped in. Even the founding fathers knew this and they fucked up all sorts of shit.

And you're employer knows that he can wait on you to give up, you can't wait because you have to eat now.

Nobody has ever thought of a way to keep people from making money, only the facilitate it and keep people safe.

Explain why Europe has higher standards of living, better education, lower teen pregnancy, lower abortion, longer lives, better health, lower crime than the US then. Because newsflash it's not that government was abolished it's that people who use their tools responsibly get results. People who are scared of their tools don't use them.

 

[DeYaKen]

Abraham Lincoln taught himself to read and taught himself the law and became a good lawyer and President of the United States all without any formal education.

Sometimes people have to help themselves. Millions did during the Great Depression and became the greatest American generation.

Yeah, and Michael Faraday left school at 13 and learned by reading the books he was binding., But we can't all be Michael Faraday, or Abraham Lincoln. Add to that we now live in a world obhsessed with formal qualifications. You can't even get a job as a nurse in the UK without a degree. How would Lincoln and Faraday cope in today's world? probably badly. Even all those years ago those people had the help of benefactors.

Never mind that, you go ahead and blame the poor for being poor if it helps you sleep at night, but just remember, the reason your country has to import so many skilled workers. You are wasting resources that right under your noses and all because your principles don't allow you to give someone a helping hand.

 

[Rightguide]

Yeah, and Michael Faraday left school at 13 and learned by reading the books he was binding., But we can't all be Michael Faraday, or Abraham Lincoln. Add to that we now live in a world obhsessed with formal qualifications. You can't even get a job as a nurse in the UK without a degree. How would Lincoln and Faraday cope in today's world? probably badly. Even all those years ago those people had the help of benefactors.

Never mind that, you go ahead and blame the poor for being poor if it helps you sleep at night, but just remember, the reason your country has to import so many skilled workers. You are wasting resources that right under your noses and all because your principles don't allow you to give someone a helping hand.

Well you could start by getting off your dead asses and find work to do. it's out there. The trouble is today's pampered youth don't want to start at the bottom.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Our parents didn't have to. Nor did theirs. So that'snot the actual problem. The real problem is we've been conditioned to believe that.

It's also worth noting we have no idea how good or bad a lawyer Lincoln was on any truly measurable scale. That's not something we can gauge objectively.

But the fact that individuals can be named who pulled off the impossible doesn't make it remotely normal.

 

[dan_c00000]

The trouble is today's pampered youth don't want to start at the bottom.

Come to where I work. I'll show you "pampered" youth who work two jobs, go to school full time, take care of kids or family members, and contribute more to society in twelve seconds than you could in several lifetimes.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The idea that ideas are powerful doesn't make them physical.

Doesn't change the fact that the effects are still the same.

Just like laws....just because they aren't tangible doesn't mean you won't go to prison if you break them badly enough.

I've been to the store, but the people who exchanged goods and services weren't in the room and haven't been for sometime. You're not exchanging goods with the cashier, but with the WALTONS. And they aren't exchanging services with you but with the WALTONS.

Irrelevant...I know I'm exchanging with the Waltons and the Waltons are exchanging with their employees.

And it's all 100% voluntary.....what is the problem?

And you're employer knows that he can wait on you to give up, you can't wait because you have to eat now.

My employer can't do it all on his own, I have skills worth more than he's willing to pay so if he wants my services he'll come up off some more of that exchange currency for them.

That's why we go to school or enter into apprenticeships, to increase our value so we can exchange it with others. Be it as an employee or employer.

If you don't increase your value then tough shit....not everyone is equal....somebody gotta scrub toilets for min wage.

Nobody has ever thought of a way to keep people from making money, only the facilitate it and keep people safe.

LMFAO!!! You can tell yourself that lie but arbitrary restrictions on licencing, marketing and distribution say otherwise.

The vast majority of it ain't about facilitation or safety, it's about money and controlling who gets it.

Explain why Europe has higher standards of living, better education, lower teen pregnancy, lower abortion, longer lives, better health, lower crime than the US then.

Because we don't really value those things, not even enough to take an hour out of every other year and vote for them.

Because newsflash it's not that government was abolished it's that people who use their tools responsibly get results. People who are scared of their tools don't use them.

*shrug* not sorry the USA is pro freedom and that it shits on leftism.

If their society/government is more to your liking maybe you should consider moving there, as I understand a number of them are considering US citizens as refugees even. You could get a full welfare package welcome from your new nanny state

But will you get to off-road in your gas guzzling, HEMI powered muscle car while doing revolutionary war reenactments ??

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[Rightguide]

Come to where I work. I'll show you "pampered" youth who work two jobs, go to school full time, take care of kids or family members, and contribute more to society in twelve seconds than you could in several lifetimes.

I did the same thing, only I didn't just fantasize about it on the Internet.

 

[cowslinger64]

I did the same thing, only I didn't just fantasize about it on the Internet.

A four year degree at Michigan State University at this time is around $120 grand... how much was yours? A hundred?

 

[Hypoxia]

I recall high-school dropout James Brown earnestly telling would-be emulators to finish school "because y'all ain't James Brown." If you're a genius, it'll show. If not, hit the books.

 

[someoneyouknow]

Looks like California will be losing even more jobs, now that AT&T and Fifth Third Bancorp have said they will raise their minimum wage to $15/hour after the tax burden was shifted to individuals.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-reform-bill-att-announces-huge-bonuses-for-employees-2017-12

 

[BotanyBoy]

Looks like California will be losing even more jobs

Oh thank god, we need like 10 million people to GTFO.

But they will probably crucify their middle class to support the unemployed.

Oh well!

Looks like interesting times ahead.

 

[Rightguide]

Oh thank god, we need like 10 million people to GTFO.

But they will probably crucify their middle class to support the unemployed.

Oh well!

Looks like interesting times ahead.

Starting with the 4 or 5 million illegal aliens.

 

[Rightguide]

Larry Elder just reported out of 30 million people in California only 166,000 households of very rich people are responsible 50% of the tax revenue of the state. These are the very people who will be moving out as the reality of their tax situation hits them full in the face. It looks like Atlas is getting ready to really shrug in California.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Starting with the 4 or 5 million illegal aliens.

I'd rather keep most of them, they work and shit.


If we're picking and choosing I'd rather shit can the jobless degenerate valley trash, all convicted violent offenders and the homeless/junkie population on the coast.

Then we can talk about the illegals.

But LOL, this is California they are going to try and save them all via TAXES!!!

 

[BeeZeBody]

Looks like California will be losing even more jobs, now that AT&T and Fifth Third Bancorp have said they will raise their minimum wage to $15/hour after the tax burden was shifted to individuals.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gop-tax-reform-bill-att-announces-huge-bonuses-for-employees-2017-12

FORCING a min wage increase in face of economic headwinds is BAD

INCREASING it cause the ECONOMICS make sense is GOOD

As a NIGGER you cunt understand this

 

[DeYaKen]

Larry Elder just reported out of 30 million people in California only 166,000 households of very rich people are responsible 50% of the tax revenue of the state. These are the very people who will be moving out as the reality of their tax situation hits them full in the face. It looks like Atlas is getting ready to really shrug in California.

But hasn't your prez just given a massive tax cut to these very rich people? Why will paying less tax cause them to leave?

Interesting thing is that other places in the world have far higher levels of taxation but there are no queues of rich people at the border trying to leave.

 

[sdsioux]

Walmart

You can't support a family working at Walmart. They need to cut hours back and hire more people making it a truly part-time job work place

 

[Rightguide]

But hasn't your prez just given a massive tax cut to these very rich people? Why will paying less tax cause them to leave?

Interesting thing is that other places in the world have far higher levels of taxation but there are no queues of rich people at the border trying to leave.

No. They've lost the ability to deduct their state taxes on their federal tax returns. They will be moving out for states where taxes are lower.