How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[phrodeau]

Is this thing still goin' on?

I think we're aiming for the Laurel Limit.

 

[gordo12]

Anybody who knows anything about the Bible knows that what you just said is a load of crap. It's not contradictory, it's amazingly written by 40 authors over a 1600 year period, who lived in different parts of the world, from different walks of life and yet it fits together as if written by one person, because it really was inspired by God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ. Yes, Jesus Christ really lived. The evidence is overwhelming and anyone who has actually researched it knows that there are dozens of historical writings of Him, there is early Church writings, the Apachrifical writings, the Agnostic writings and many others. Also seems awfully intereting that modern schalars didn't know what we were talking about, then why is the year 2017 significant if Christ never lived? Why is Christmas and Easter a Holiday if Christ didn't live? The early Church and Governments knew who He was.

You're delusional. Any bible scholar will tell you the bible is a pile of self serving crap. Written, re-written and massaged by religions looking for power until it said what they wanted it to say. Apparently you're stupid enough to give that power to them.

And yes to the lady that asked if I've read it. I used to get picked for bible debates decades ago. Somehow I always got the against position. Can't imagine why :-0

Maybe it was because all the yes people could only answer with platitudes about "just believin..."

Hopefully someone will ban this idiot!

 

[phrodeau]

Out of curiosity.....Have you read it? Also is it 2017 AD..... ? Think about it

What mystical importance gets ascribed to 2017AD? Is there a hidden meaning in that number?

 

[Saint Peter]

*thinks about it*

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I think we're aiming for the Laurel Limit.

Only halfway there.

Gonna be a while, methinks.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Why is Christmas and Easter a Holiday if Christ didn't live? The early Church and Governments knew who He was.

ROFLMAO

Well you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Christ was not even considered "god" until 600 AD. His story is a perversion of Egyptian sun worship.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

Do you know what a genealogy is? Well the Bible traces Christ's lineage all the way back to Adam and many others back to Adam. The Bible Scholars know by the time periods and details how long ago things happened.

I'm gonna go with the science on this one, and probably everything else. But thanks.

 

[Tryharder62]

You're delusional. Any bible scholar will tell you the bible is a pile of self serving crap. Written, re-written and massaged by religions looking for power until it said what they wanted it to say. Apparently you're stupid enough to give that power to them.

And yes to the lady that asked if I've read it. I used to get picked for bible debates decades ago. Somehow I always got the against position. Can't imagine why :-0

Maybe it was because all the yes people could only answer with platitudes about "just believin..."

Hopefully someone will ban this idiot!

The only problem I've had with what you've said so far is that you tend to talk in generalities. Like in this post you said any Bible scholar will tell you blah blah blah. I don't know the Bible scholars that you know, but the ones I know wouldn't say that the Bible is a pile self serving.......

Your redeeming quality is that you called me a lady. if you look back in this thread that isn't what people usually call me.

Can I prove the case for Christ Beyond any doubt? No. It does require faith. Can I prove it Beyond A Reasonable Doubt? I think so. In fact I'm staking my life on it.

What mystical importance gets ascribed to 2017AD? Is there a hidden meaning in that number?

There's nothing mystical about it. I just find it funny that some people can say that the verdict on whether a man named Jesus lived is still out. Why do we keep track of time according to his life and death? If there was no Christ there would be no Christians. He lived. Doubt that he is God all you want, but use common sense.

*thinks about it*

Did it hurt?


My son needed my little Chromebook for school so I'm writing on a tablet. Maybe it's God, but for some reason this tablet just decided to capitalize things when it wants. It also autocorrects crazy. It would take me forever if I corrected everything.

 

[phrodeau]

One thing that biblical scholars all agree on is that Jesus was not born in the year 1 AD.

 

[gordo12]

The only problem I've had with what you've said so far is that you tend to talk in generalities. Like in this post you said any Bible scholar will tell you blah blah blah. I don't know the Bible scholars that you know, but the ones I know wouldn't say that the Bible is a pile self serving.......

I could go on for hours but frankly I've spent years reading, researching and like you I'm comfortable in my decision. But at least I've spent that time. Morons like the OP here blindly accept everything they're told.

Your redeeming quality is that you called me a lady. if you look back in this thread that isn't what people usually call me.

You're a lady to me until such time as you prove otherwise. Then you're usually an AWESOME LADY!

 

[Hypoxia]

There's nothing mystical about it. I just find it funny that some people can say that the verdict on whether a man named Jesus lived is still out. Why do we keep track of time according to his life and death? If there was no Christ there would be no Christians. He lived. Doubt that he is God all you want, but use common sense.

Why do Western societies (and thus global communications and commerce) use a calendar based on the mistaken birthdate of a mythical figure? Because councils of power decreed it - and not without controversy. Other societies use different calendars with different starting points. None are any more 'real' than the others. They're all arbitrary human constructions.

Meanwhile, the existential question: It's hard to have a "Jesus of Nazareth" without a Nazareth, of which we find no contemporary records, although its vicinity is well documented. No non-biblical records of Jesus or his supposed actions either although John the Baptist is documented.

What's missing? Confirmation. Xian gospels don't match recorded history very well. The nativity account is a good example. Dates and events just don't align. There was no census and subjects wouldn't return home if there was. No Herod ordered the slaughter of first-borns. Romans would have recorded such shit.

No matter. People gonna believe what they want. Have fun.

 

[phrodeau]

What kind of name is Herod anyhow? Sounds like the fake name of a bad porn actor. "Hey there. I'm He-Rod."

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

See if you can find two who agree with each other.

Many of them do agree with each other, but no two people agree 100% on anything because we are imperfect beings.

 

[phrodeau]

Many of them do agree with each other, but no two people agree 100% on anything because we are imperfect beings.

Now you're getting it.

 

[Hypoxia]

What kind of name is Herod anyhow? Sounds like the fake name of a bad porn actor. "Hey there. I'm He-Rod."

It was worse in the original Sabatean. You know of course that Caesar meant Baldy and Caligula meant Bootsy (little boot I.e. boyish, immature). My research reveals that Herod meant Ballsy (droopy scrotum).

Bootsy, Ballsy, and Baldy walk into a cafe and take a table.
A waitress stomped over to announce, "We don't serve freaks here!"
"No freaks?" Bootsy giggled. "Then make it beer all around and an order of sluts."

But don't fuck with the Sabateans. He-Rod was the richest bitch in the Roman Empire.

 

[Tryharder62]

Why do Western societies (and thus global communications and commerce) use a calendar based on the mistaken birthdate of a mythical figure? Because councils of power decreed it - and not without controversy. Other societies use different calendars with different starting points. None are any more 'real' than the others. They're all arbitrary human constructions.

Meanwhile, the existential question: It's hard to have a "Jesus of Nazareth" without a Nazareth, of which we find no contemporary records, although its vicinity is well documented. No non-biblical records of Jesus or his supposed actions either although John the Baptist is documented.

What's missing? Confirmation. Xian gospels don't match recorded history very well. The nativity account is a good example. Dates and events just don't align. There was no census and subjects wouldn't return home if there was. No Herod ordered the slaughter of first-borns. Romans would have recorded such shit.

No matter. People gonna believe what they want. Have fun.

I am sorry, but these are the times I think "use your common sense". John the Baptist is well documented you say. Well.......he was known because he Baptised people in the name of whooooooooo! Jesus Christ. He was encouraging people to believe that Jesus was God. Hmmmm!

Also.....Archaeological evidence from either the site of modern Nazareth or close by, shows human settlement as far back as the Bronze Age, around 2000BC or so, at least - but a general lack of evidence from the Assyrian and Babylonian era until the early Roman period, shows the settlement was probably destroyed (like so many were!) by the Assyrians in the 720s BC.


While it's perfectly true that Nazareth was clearly pretty much abandoned after the Assyrians, and outside the Bible there are no references to it until later, there is some evidence for occupation. Like a house that archeologists dated to Jesus’s time. John 1:46 also might be a clue. I don’t think it was a great place to be from. "Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?"

Oh and I don't know what a xian is. All I know is that I am a Christian.

You're a lady to me until such time as you prove otherwise. Then you're usually an AWESOME LADY!

LOL

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Now you're getting it.

But the Bible is God's word nonetheless and it's a Spiritual book which is deciphered by the Holy Spirit. And it means what it says and says what it means.

 

[phrodeau]

But the Bible is God's word nonetheless and it's a Spiritual book which is deciphered by the Holy Spirit. And it means what it says and says what it means.

You contradict yourself. If it means what it says, why does it need to be deciphered?

 

[Hypoxia]

I am sorry, but these are the times I think "use your common sense". John the Baptist is well documented you say. Well.......he was known because he Baptised people in the name of whooooooooo!

I think you read different gospels. John / Yahya was a predecessor or messenger who baptized all sorts of folks including Jesus / Yeshua but didn't baptize FOR Jesus / Yeshua or anyone else. John / Yahya had the baptism monopoly. You wanted baptism, you got in good with him.

Alas, he predicted a battle's outcome wrong, so Herod had his head chopped.

John / Yahya was disgustedly documented by Flavius Josephus as among the more prominent of the many asshole prophets and messiahs cluttering the landscape then. That's reflected in a scene in Monty Python's LIFE OF BRIAN with the mobbed street of prophets and magicians. Josephus didn't mention Jesus / Yeshua in his record, likely because he'd never heard of the insignificant conjurer.

But y'all gonna believe what ya wanna believe. That's the way of the world.

While it's perfectly true that Nazareth was clearly pretty much abandoned after the Assyrians, and outside the Bible there are no references to it until later, there is some evidence for occupation.

Josephus, a general in the Jewish Revolt who defected to the Romans and wrote a history of the Jews, grew up in Galilee. He documented many villages in his neighborhood. Nazareth was supposedly next door but he never mentioned it.

Emperor Constantine made Xianity the state religion of the Roman Empire, partly to please his Greek Xian mother Helena (later sainted). Helena took an imperial tour of the Holy Land, seeking to retrace the steps of Jesus / Yeshua. Her party search for Nazareth. Couldn't find it. Nobody had heard of it. So she renamed a village: "This is Nazareth." Being the emperor's mother, nobody argued.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

You contradict yourself. If it means what it says, why does it need to be deciphered?

I needs to be deciphered because God has hidden a lot of things within the Bible from people who don't really believe it.

It's the same reason Jesus spoke the the Pharisees in parables.

Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

 

[phrodeau]

I needs to be deciphered because God has hidden a lot of things within the Bible from people who don't really believe it.

It's the same reason Jesus spoke the the Pharisees in parables.

Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

An authority using couched language in order to send signals only to the insiders? That's called a dog whistle these days.

Can you see how divisive that is? Can you see how sneaky and mendacious Jesus was?

 

[Hypoxia]

How to send a divine message: BURN IT INTO THE LUNAR SURFACE WITH A HOLY LASER

How not to send a divine message: HAVE SCRIBES WRITE CRYPTIC IMPOSSIBLE SHIT.

Documented divine messages to various creeds mostly fuck with the heads of readers.

If your god(s) is/are ambiguous and mysterious, you're being played for a sucker.

Have fun.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

An authority using couched language in order to send signals only to the insiders? That's called a dog whistle these days.

Can you see how divisive that is? Can you see how sneaky and mendacious Jesus was?

No, it's called the Holy Spirit. You cannot truly understand the Bible without the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said:

Lu 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

It's not sneaky in a bad way. I believe that God reveals things to those who truly believe and those whom He will. God is not your enemy, satan is. Those who mock and persecute are blinded to the things of God by satan (The god of the world)


2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I'm gonna go with the science on this one, and probably everything else. But thanks.

The Bible IS supported by Science. Both evolutionists and creationists look at the same evidence, but they draw different conclusions based on that same evidence. Evolution is not true.

 

[Hypoxia]

The Bible IS supported by Science. Both evolutionists and creationists look at the same evidence, but they draw different conclusions based on that same evidence.

Incorrect. Pi is not equal to three. Earth did not stop rotating in historical times. Whales are not fish and cannot swallow and regurgitate living humans. No global floods have drowned the planet. Breeding populations of all Earth's creatures do not fit onto an ark the size of the old San Francisco Bay ferryboat Eureka. The three (some say four) creation myths in Genesis don't accord with observations.

And the head of the Archaeology Dept at Hebrew University says that zero evidence has been found to support the Exodus story. No archaeological evidence, none. This is A Big Thing in Israel, since that myth provides the justification for the existence of the Jewish state.

Let's suppose Moses led his people out of Egypt. Troops chase-em, but the Red Sea parts (no physical evidence of that, either), the Hebrews cross -- and then the sea collapses on the pursuers. "Pharaoh's army got drownded / Oh Mary don't you weep," as the spiritual goes.

Somebody would have noticed. Word would have spread. Some king in Nubia or Assyria or Mesopotamia would have assembled his soldiers and announced, "Hey boys, Pharaoh's army got drownded! Egypt's a ripe fruit. Saddle up, boys -- gold, wine, and pussy are just WAITING for us there! LET'S ROLL!"

Yeah, the looting of Egypt would have been noted and recorded. Had it happened, after the army drowned. Which it didn't.

Evolution is not true.

Incorrect. Evolution, the survival of change over time, can be observed in real time in any biomedical lab. Since you pose "evolutionists and creationists" as opposites, you seem to mistake evolutionary theory as connected to biogenesis, the origin of life. Nope. Evolution makes no mention of origins, just what happens later.

Ah, but 'way back around 1954, Urey and Miller showed that a mix of basic chemicals zapped with an electric jolt produces organic structures, the building blocks of life. They did NOT prove that lightning bolts zapping a primordial broth creates life. They DID show that deities aren't needed to get the biogenesis pricess going. Occam's Razor slices gods out of biogenesis.

Later I'll talk about how looking for evidence is a sign of lack of faith.